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the emergence of religion according to evolution

Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 19:09:10 2020 No.11926940 View Reply Original Report

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According to purely naturalism and so darwinian evolution, how did we "create" god? How is it possible to conceive of a formless, omniscient being as the creator of the universe when all we have to go on is the physical world?

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Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 19:12:55 No.11926951 Report

Quoted By: >>11926960 >>11927006

What a slut; you can literally see the rumple of her bra and the contrast of her knee gap through that diaphanous fabric.

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Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 19:14:53 No.11926960 Report

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>>11926951
shes my wife stop that

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Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 19:24:26 No.11926999 Report

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>>11926960
Feel the despair wash over you now as you notice for the first time how she takes the ring off in all her lewds.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 19:25:01 No.11927002 Report

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>>11926940
its not explainable. god is real.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 19:25:51 No.11927006 Report

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>>11926951
>diaphanous
new gre word. <3

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 20:14:44 No.11927192 Report

Quoted By: >>11927197 >>11927260

>>11926960
Why would you post her picture on a site like 4chan midwit?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 20:16:03 No.11927197 Report

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>>11927192
because she believes and loves god, and doesnt understand why anyone wouldnt

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 20:19:32 No.11927212 Report

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>>11926940
We use our imagination to think of concepts like that, and a god answers and explains a lot of things we dont understand in the universe, so its likely that somebody at some point would think of the possibility of something like that existing

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 20:19:48 No.11927216 Report

Quoted By: >>11927249

>>11926940
When man became more self-aware, we began to look for reasons and principles behind things, as these higher levels of thinking would help us in the wilderness since it would enable us to understand cause and effect in such a way to manipulate our surroundings and environment to our benefit. However, certain roadblocks were hit and thus ascribed to "God" since we had no other way of explaining these things at the time.

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Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 20:22:15 No.11927230 Report

Quoted By: >>11927239

The human mind has an instinct to look for other minds. Sometimes it sees minds where there are none. This is why people thought there were tree spirits and thunder gods, and also why people thought there was a single omnipotent god.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 20:22:38 No.11927231 Report

Quoted By: >>11927244 >>11927259

>>11927212
the thing is, on naturalism, it shouldn't be possible to conceive of something like god. basically how can you come to a conclusion of the super natural when all you have to observe is the natural? wouldnt that entail some sort of supernatural interference?

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Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 20:24:11 No.11927239 Report

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>>11927230
if you're talking about the instinct to]o look for causation, it still doesn't have to point to something like god.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 20:25:01 No.11927244 Report

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>>11927231
>how can humans conceive of something like Star Trek transporters, warp speed, and holodecks
>must be supernatural interference

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Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 20:25:21 No.11927247 Report

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Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 20:25:27 No.11927249 Report

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>>11927216
not necessarily, many of these higher thinking abilities dont really help us, i.e anything that humans do other than fucking or surviving.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 20:26:48 No.11927256 Report

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>>11927239
No, I did not. I talked about the instinct to look for minds. To look for will. To look for intentions.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 20:27:08 No.11927258 Report

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>>11927244
yeh exactly, whats the point of us being able to even imagine those things

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 20:27:11 No.11927259 Report

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>>11927231
No, because its simply a result of the human mind ascribing meaning to things that are not there. Humans do this all the time, for example: Pareidolia. Humans will see faces or other imagery in things that are not there, because the potential for there being a threat warranted an escape for our ancestors. The same thing happened with God, as humans began to grow their thinking skills in ways to manipulate their environment for their own benefit, but inevitably came upon things explainable at the time, so it was attributed to God.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 20:27:20 No.11927260 Report

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>>11927192
Got any more pics?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 20:27:48 No.11927262 Report

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By this logic simple concepts like money, debts or even organizations should also be completely impossible.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 20:28:04 No.11927263 Report

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Hyperactive agency detection and memes

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 20:28:19 No.11927264 Report

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>>11927249
Higher thinking allows for survival, though. If you understand the root causes behind principles, you will be more capable at taking advantage of your environment based on those principles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 20:28:41 No.11927267 Report

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>>11927197
I would love to see her orifices penetrated by a glistening, hard body black man with a monster cock

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 20:28:59 No.11927271 Report

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>>11927256
so agency? so like we look at a tree and we assume some sort of agency, even though we can see a seed turn into a tree. it doesnt make sense to then use turn agency into an unimaginable power.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 20:30:41 No.11927280 Report

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>>11927264
we dont need most of the things we are capable of today to survive. art, music and poetry are unnecessary on pure darwinism

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 20:31:35 No.11927283 Report

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>>11927280
The cost of these isn't enough for evolution to weed them out, like masturbation in dolphins, gay sex in giraffes and war in chimps or ants

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 20:32:09 No.11927287 Report

Quoted By: >>11927293

>>11927258
1% of them might be achievable in nature/real
Are you implying that something must have a "point" in order for it to exist?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 20:32:33 No.11927288 Report

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>>11927283
the question is why we evolved them in the first place if not for our survival.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 20:33:34 No.11927293 Report

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>>11927287
exactly. if it doesn't help us survive or reproduce, what function does it serve. seriously. why do we do it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 20:33:49 No.11927295 Report

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>>11927267
This. Please deliver OP

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 20:34:21 No.11927297 Report

Quoted By: >>11927313 >>11927317

>>11927288
It's a glitch, these things are expected to arise like mutations in the genome. If they just not interfere they stay, if they're bad they go out

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Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 20:36:02 No.11927313 Report

Quoted By: >>11927344

>>11927297
you're giving the darwinian mechanism too much credit. these type of post hoc explanations with no evidence to back up are unscientific. bad? good? evolution is blind. there is no bad or good. only survive and reproduce.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 20:37:29 No.11927316 Report

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>>11926940
God is the most rational explanation for the existence of the universe
An intelligent, unpropagandized being is easily capable of deducing this by simply observing
Time for /sci/ to take the DeistPill

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 20:37:33 No.11927317 Report

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>>11927297
and isnt it bad that we developed consciousness? we commit suicide, consciously decide not to have kids. i mean its the complete opposite of survival and reproduction lol.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 20:39:04 No.11927328 Report

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>>11927295
no, shes a good catholic girl.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 20:40:46 No.11927340 Report

Quoted By: >>11927351 >>11927381

Why did the cat scratch you? Because you upset it by stroking its fur the wrong way
Why did your brother hit you? Because you upset him by calling him a name.
Why did the crops fail? Because you upset the rain god by making insufficient offerings.
Why did lightning strike your house? Because you upset god by masturbating.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 20:40:57 No.11927344 Report

Quoted By: >>11927370

>>11927313
>>11927317
Bro I'm a biologist, I'm simplifying stuff so you get it.
Mutations are neutral and the environment as natural selection is the pressure that sorts them out.
In the case of behavior you can get stuff like tool usage like birds dropping fire and chimps being violent, also pandas having no libido or giraffes having gay sex.
>dropping fire sounds destructive birds have realized rodents try to escape from dense areas and it's easier for them to hunt them down
>the violent chimps kill the peaceful ones and are the only ones that reproduce
>pandas having no libido means they don't reproduce and were going extinct
>giraffes having gay sex +90% of all sex it's not bad if they still mate with females as to perpetuate the species
Under different environment conditions these same characteristics could've the opposite results

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Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 20:41:49 No.11927351 Report

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>>11927340
Meant for
>>11927271

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Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 20:44:39 No.11927370 Report

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>>11927344
lol you're not a biologist
>giraffes are gay
According to Stephanie Fennessy, director of the Giraffe Conservation Foundation in Namibia, Stuart is right. “While I totally agree with Dawn Butler’s comment that we should accept people for who they are, she is incorrect in her comment that giraffes are gay,” Fennessy says. “Sometimes they fake-hump each other, which is also dominance behaviour. Dogs do that as well. And when you see them necking, it’s fighting. It’s vicious. They can kill each other.”
>pandas having no libido
woldnt be a problem if we didnt hunt them to extinction
and etc

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 20:45:29 No.11927371 Report

Quoted By: >>11927413

>>11927293
I already said "1% of them might be achievable in nature/real"
If 1% of these fantastical technologies actually came into existence it would be revolutionary. So there's some of the utility value of imagining such things. There is other utility value, such as increasing the happiness of a person and making them more productive. Or inspire them to imagine other such things which could be made real.
I'm not sure what this has to do with God or why it's any evidence of the supernatural.
Minds can imagine something which doesn't actually exist.
A rabbit can imagine a wolf that isn't actually sneaking up behind it and turn to look. Humans can imagine gods.

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Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 20:46:29 No.11927380 Report

Quoted By: >>11927401

>>11927370
Whatever

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 20:46:41 No.11927381 Report

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>>11927340
but on naturalism this would be the way of interpreting it:
Why did the cat scratch you? Because you upset it by stroking its fur the wrong way
Why did your brother hit you? Because you upset him by calling him a name.
Why did the crops fail? Because it didnt rain all year and the soil is dry.
Why did lightning strike your house? because there was a thunderstorm
theres no need to go beyond those things. itd not condusive

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 20:47:16 No.11927386 Report

Quoted By: >>11927392 >>11927393

Evolutionary biology will never ever answer the question of conciousnes and qualia. They will never be able to tell us why certain music makes us feel a certain way while other doesn't, or why a painting can bring up emotions that we never knew existed. It can't explain the feeling of meditation or psychedelics apart from "bro your brain is just playing some elaborate tricks, trust me". It is great for us to understand so much, but fails as soon as it comes to humanities. Even after all these years, empiricism still won't answer the truly important questions.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 20:47:27 No.11927388 Report

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>>11927328
>shes a good catholic girl.
Oh man you're making me sweaty already

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 20:47:48 No.11927392 Report

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>>11927386
basically this

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 20:48:04 No.11927393 Report

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>>11927386
conciousness = qualia = soul, if you don't find the difference there is no difference

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 20:49:08 No.11927401 Report

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>>11927380
yeh and im a phd in evolutionary biology. believe me bro i make elementary mistakes in basic bioogy

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 20:51:34 No.11927413 Report

Quoted By: >>11927515

>>11927371
the difference is the rabbit has experienced a wolf. we have no reason to "experience" god. we can believe in false beliefs, yes, but for those beleifs to be so above and beyond the natural world is strange to say the least

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 20:56:57 No.11927446 Report

Quoted By: >>11927458

>>11926940
conscoiusness causes humans to abstract things and search for patterns, but we often see patterns where there are none(better than missing important patterns) and create abstract concepts that serve some purpose for the group or its leaders, and in the absence of a robust scientific method developed over thousands of years there's no reason to assume these conclusion would be "objectively true."

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 21:00:13 No.11927458 Report

Quoted By: >>11927471

>>11927446
if you're suggesting evolving rational faculties that produce false beliefs (seeing patterns when there are none), this would literally undermine our trust in our own minds. how would we determine what is true and false in the objective sense?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 21:02:22 No.11927471 Report

Quoted By: >>11927482

>>11927458
you shouldn't trust you mind. the whole point of having a scientific method and evidence based reasoning and argument generally is because human intuition is usually wrong.
nothing is 100% objective, we could all be in a turtle's dream in outer space.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 21:03:33 No.11927482 Report

Quoted By: >>11927501

>>11927471
the thing is then, why trust the scientific methods if its the product of the mind? its a paradox.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 21:05:28 No.11927490 Report

Quoted By: >>11927510

>>11926940
>formless, omniscient
According to whom? Are you seriously claiming the only religion is Christianity?

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Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 21:06:09 No.11927495 Report

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>>11926940
>According to purely naturalism and so darwinian evolution, how did we "create" god? How is it possible to conceive of a formless, omniscient being as the creator of the universe when all we have to go on is the physical world?

When you are a baby, your parents are God. They created you, give you food, and seem to control everything around you. As you grow up, your understanding of your parents increases.

But in difficult times, your unconscious mind might drift back to that primal memory of giant creators who loved you and could solve all your problems. You wonder where they went, looking to the sky for salvation, and if luck or fortune shines upon you, you then find God.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 21:07:26 No.11927501 Report

Quoted By: >>11927519

>>11927482
we can see some objective(are far as these things go) results of the scientific method, e.g. functioning airplanes, information technology, space travel, nuclear power... try beating those results with any other system.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 21:08:30 No.11927510 Report

Quoted By: >>11927729

>>11927490
no, just the fact that any person has the ability to conceive of something that is supernatural in a purely natural world. i.e what would point us to ever even imagine of a being without form, if everything we've ever seen has a form?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 21:09:33 No.11927515 Report

Quoted By: >>11927526

>>11927413
The only weird thing to me is that anything exists at all.
Of course, that isn't to say it would be more normal for "nothing" to exist. Because absolute nothingness is beyond description as well. We have a thing (the universe) which itself is beyond causality, but all things within it are not.

I guess I should finish reading Christopher Langan's CTMU, because I'm at a loss after years of thinking about it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 21:11:09 No.11927519 Report

Quoted By: >>11927551

>>11927501
you can do amazing things on completely false beliefs. people sailed the oceans thinking the earth was flat, or a cavemen could falsely believe all mushrooms are poisonous thus not eating dangerous mushrooms.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 21:12:36 No.11927524 Report

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>>11927260
https://twitter.com/traddygi

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Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 21:12:47 No.11927526 Report

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>>11927515
basically why is there something rather than nothing. very important in philosophy of religion. why is there not nothing? why is there something? good shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 21:19:03 No.11927548 Report

Quoted By: >>11927561

>>11926940
i know lots of things like rock and dirt. who created rocks and dirt hmmmm?
human create sharp rock maybe better person know how to make rock and dirt and placed them here hmmmm must be a really powerful person. lets call this powerful person god.
is it that hard?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 21:19:44 No.11927551 Report

Quoted By: >>11927565 >>11927571

>>11927519
i doubt a bunch of flat earthers could have landed on the moon
and if you believe all mushrooms are poison you're technically right about the ones that are

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Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 21:22:27 No.11927561 Report

Quoted By: >>11927785

>>11927548
why even ask who created it. it was always there. wherever it came from doesnt effect what you do to it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 21:22:49 No.11927565 Report

Quoted By: >>11927587

>>11927551
>i doubt a bunch of flat earthers could have landed on the moon
Sure they could, just go to the edge of the earth where it's spinning fast enough to overcome gravity.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 21:24:30 No.11927571 Report

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>>11927551
the thing im saying is that we are doing a lot of great stuff, but literally everything we understand about the world could be false, but it still works.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 21:29:20 No.11927587 Report

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>>11927565
kek, basically this

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 21:35:52 No.11927625 Report

Quoted By: >>11927642

>>11926940
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3CO8J2OkDE&feature=youtu.be&t=74

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 21:38:31 No.11927642 Report

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>>11927625
not gonna watch some gay youtube vid lel

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 22:01:00 No.11927729 Report

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>>11927510
You seem to be making 2 assumptions.

1. That all religions conceive of God the same
2. That all religion is wrong

Fucking atheists.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 22:18:43 No.11927785 Report

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>>11927561
person creates sharp rock someone must create dirt right?

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