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Math textbooks that aren't written for retards?

Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 15:55:33 2020 No.11926292 View Reply Original Report

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>read math textbook
>every fucking concept is explained in N pages of prose
>proof is completely textual with almost minimal required symbolic logic incorporated
Why the FUCK is this happening? Is everyone writing textbooks for fucking kids now?

What happened to the
>axiom
>definition
>theorem
>proof
model of mathematics?
Are there any textbooks that are still rigorous and to-the-point, instead of being a fucking fantasy story collection dressed as a math textbook?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 15:57:06 No.11926295 Report

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Well there are different kinds of math textbooks. Like math for life sciences might not even have proofs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 16:05:41 No.11926307 Report

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>>11926292
I wish there were a modern math book written in the style of Euclid’s Elements.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 16:07:02 No.11926310 Report

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>>11926292
>symbolic logic
real chads write rigorously in spoken language. so that symbolic logic is compact and elegantly contained within the written statements a trained mathematician immediately recognizes as rich of mathematical content, and a novice reader sits puzzled and needs to scribble everything in symbols and juggle them around to comprehend whats going on.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 16:07:46 No.11926311 Report

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>>11926292
>read math textbook
>every fucking concept is explained in N pages of prose
>proof is completely textual with almost minimal required symbolic logic incorporated
Wow you mean a book that actually tries to explain something to those not already familiar with the subject and is not just the author masturbating to how much nonsensical gibberish he can cram into it in a row before having to use another intelligible sentence?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 16:11:30 No.11926320 Report

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>>11926292
Just read about an actually high level topic? No one goes through the effort of writing in that style for anything more difficult than babby's first calculus textbook.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 16:13:39 No.11926327 Report

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>>11926311
Spoonfed brainlet detected

Do you want some pictures with that? Gifs, maybe? How about VR animation? Maybe then you'll understand something?

>is not just the author masturbating to how much nonsensical gibberish he can cram into it in a row before having to use another intelligible sentence?
It's called being terse and rigorous. It is much easier to just cram bullshit in a textbook until you fill 500 pages so you can take a shitload of money from dumb murrican students for knowledge that could be condensed to a 50-page script.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 16:14:46 No.11926330 Report

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>>11926320
>No one goes through the effort of writing in that style for anything more difficult than babby's first calculus textbook.
Nobody cares for rigor anymore?
:(

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 16:20:14 No.11926342 Report

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OP is confirmed undegrad for two reasons. first reason is that he has never seen an actual high level monograph. second reason is >>11926310.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 16:26:49 No.11926359 Report

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>>11926310
>Wittgenstein wants to know your location

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 16:32:09 No.11926370 Report

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>>11926292
>>proof is completely textual with almost minimal required symbolic logic incorporated
You don't know what you're asking for.
>>11926310
This.
>>11926327
>Do you want some pictures with that?
Even literal cutting edge math research articles have drawings in them sometimes, undergrad-kun.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 17:00:15 No.11926455 Report

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Here's a good one with some fun symbolic logic.
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/38079/38079-pdf.pdf

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 17:09:52 No.11926483 Report

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>needing a proof
OP confirmed for brainlet. A smart Chad only needs a hint for the proof. Rigorously formalizing the idea is then a trivial exercise left to the reader.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 17:10:55 No.11926485 Report

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>>11926292
Spanier

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 17:15:56 No.11926507 Report

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What are some math textbooks that are written for retards? Honestly, I'd love to learn from a book where every fucking concept is explained in n pages of proses, and with proofs that are almost entirely textual, with no gay excessive symbolic logic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 17:44:52 No.11926608 Report

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>>11926307
Greek?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 17:50:28 No.11926632 Report

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>>11926292
>Are there any textbooks that are still rigorous and to-the-point, instead of being a fucking fantasy story collection dressed as a math textbook?
anything by the Frenchmen, Lang & Serre being prime examples

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 17:51:09 No.11926634 Report

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>>11926292
here OP, this is what you want
http://us.metamath.org/
I wouldnt recommend Coq for you, since youre clearly a faggot already

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 19:46:35 No.11927080 Report

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>>11926507

Elementary school textbooks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 21:04:27 No.11927486 Report

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>>11926292
Just read what's relatively useful to you, skip the filler, and cross reference with other books.

If you're reading a text book like a story book then you're retarded and lazy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 21:07:41 No.11927506 Report

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>>11926292
You haven’t read many math textbooks its more common now than in the 20th century to imprison mathematical arguments in symbolic labyrinths. Compare Tao’s Analysis with Rudin for an elementary example.
>>11926310
based and lyingpilled

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Anonymous Thu 23 Jul 2020 04:41:24 No.11928922 Report

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What's the best way to read maths textbooks?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jul 2020 04:43:50 No.11928930 Report

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>>11926307
why the fuck would you want that? Euclid takes a whole page of the most boring style of writing known to man to explain something that modern textbooks explain in a single line

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jul 2020 05:26:58 No.11929094 Report

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Niggers are considered human now a days and if they fail it's whitey's fault.
t.Juden

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jul 2020 05:28:53 No.11929109 Report

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>>11928922
do all of the problems in it. then all of them again. and again. and again. keep doing all of them until you get them all right.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jul 2020 05:36:18 No.11929141 Report

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>>11928922
Read a chapter. Try to recreate the chapter from memory, or at the very least, write down the theorems and prove them yourself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jul 2020 05:39:33 No.11929148 Report

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>>11926292
written by retards for retards

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jul 2020 05:41:37 No.11929155 Report

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>>11928922
make note of anything you think will be on the test
go to that part when taking the test

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jul 2020 05:42:57 No.11929165 Report

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>>11926292
it's left as an exercise for you
they don't want to take the fun away

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jul 2020 06:16:22 No.11929268 Report

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>>11929141
>>11929109
I've read through proof books but still find it difficult to get into the 'proof' mentality and I often get frustrated and give up. Maybe I haven't hung around other maths students but how long does it take you guys to do difficult exercises?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jul 2020 07:53:30 No.11929481 Report

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>>11926292

stop whining and go straight for EGA or something

and if that is not enough for you then I do not know

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jul 2020 18:02:24 No.11930937 Report

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>>11926310
>>11926292
real chad writes on paper so he has no problem with weird symbols so this doesnt happen

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jul 2020 18:31:33 No.11931021 Report

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>>11927080
Any recommendations for elementary school PDE textbooks?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 23 Jul 2020 18:42:53 No.11931051 Report

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>>11926292
Whos this goddess?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jul 2020 19:20:37 No.11931162 Report

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>>11926292
Coffe is good for you as long as you don't drink too much.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jul 2020 19:23:47 No.11931182 Report

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>>11931051
Just another generic social media slut. Stop being a simp.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jul 2020 20:55:19 No.11931530 Report

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>>11926327
>It's called being terse and rigorous. It is much easier to just cram bullshit in a textbook until you fill 500 pages so you can take a shitload of money from dumb murrican students for knowledge that could be condensed to a 50-page script.
Something seems to be bothering you...
Math is for everyone, not just you, get over it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jul 2020 20:55:55 No.11931532 Report

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>>11929155
Based

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El Arcón Thu 23 Jul 2020 21:01:25 No.11931545 Report

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>>11926292
>What happened to the
>>axiom
>>definition
>>theorem
>>proof
>model of mathematics?

I pretty much used this in my long paper here is almost, but probably not, long enough to be considered a short book. I also use
>based example
and even drop a few
>based lemma
articles in there.

Fractional Distance: The Topology of the Real Number Line with Applications to the Riemann Hypothesis
https://vixra.org/abs/1906.0237

Direct DL
https://ufile.io/bhasyqmw

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jul 2020 21:07:45 No.11931567 Report

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>>11931545
ah, the telltale sign of a narcissistic pseudointellectual. walking in to a conversation that has nothing to do with them and trying to make it about themself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jul 2020 21:21:40 No.11931619 Report

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>>11926292
Symbolic logic is shorthand, you should never use it in formal proofs
That's why you don't see it in formal proofs lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Jul 2020 21:26:45 No.11931633 Report

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>>11926292
WTF is that dude wearing?

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