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Anonymous Mon 20 Jul 00:53:12 2020 No.11917460 View Reply Original Report

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How the fuck do I find out what the average testosterone is for a 28-year-old?

My testosterone is 20nmol/l. Everyone on here tells me that my testosterone is that of a 50-year-old man's. If I look at this:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4190174/
>TT peaks [mean (2.5–97.5 percentile)] at 15.4 (7.2–31.1) nmol/L at an average age of 19 years

If the PEAK testosterone is 15.4, and I'm beyond my peak but still at 20nmol/l, does that mean I'm being fucking gaslighted into thinking that I'm a low-test baby? Or is that study dogshit? Or maybe I'm reading it wrong? I don't fucking know but I need answers.

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Anonymous Mon 20 Jul 2020 02:16:26 No.11917677 Report

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>>11917460
Average is not what you want. People process it differently and what is healthy test for you will not necessarily be healthy for someone else. Not to say that your current test is necessarily healthy, but to suggest something else: look at healthy ranges for people in your age, and look at the symptoms of low test and decide whether you fit those. Then talk to an endocrinologist. You can also try ordering gear and PCT online and seeing if it helps but note that the long term neurological consequences of endogenous T are up in the air, you may regret it in 30 years.

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Anonymous Mon 20 Jul 2020 02:39:00 No.11917722 Report

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>>11917677
>look at healthy ranges for people in your age
The problem is that the "healthy range" is very broad. It ranges from 7nmol to 31nmol. I'm looking for the median for someone my age.

>look at the symptoms of low test and decide whether you fit those
I do. That's why I had my testosterone tested, and it came back "normal". Which is why I want to know if it's "normal" for someone of my age, or "normal" for an old man.
I want to know because then I can rule out total testosterone as a potential shortcoming, and have tests done for other things, such as androgen sensitivity.

Basically all I need is for someone to tell me, "yes you're reading that study right and your testosterone is actually higher than the average for someone of your age", or "your testosterone is lower than the average for someone of your age and here's why".

>You can also try ordering gear and PCT
Don't that fuck up your body's natural testosterone production permanently?

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Anonymous Mon 20 Jul 2020 02:49:55 No.11917745 Report

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>>11917722
I'm saying average is not very instructive. I assume the study adjusted for age but endocrinology is kind of famously immature as a discipline. I don't want to open a PDF on my phone so I won't comment on that.
>Fuck up natural test by using gear?
Not to my knowledge if you pct (post cycle therapy) properly, but I assume there's still a small chance. The /r/steroids wiki is basically the best resource for this, check it out. They can also help you with figuring out whether your levels are good as they are.

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Anonymous Mon 20 Jul 2020 02:52:51 No.11917754 Report

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>>11917460
heh

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Anonymous Mon 20 Jul 2020 02:56:58 No.11917764 Report

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>>11917745
>I'm saying average is not very instructive
You're right. But I'm looking at this from a solution perspective. I have symptoms of low-T, and if it is possible to have those symptoms rectified, I wanna do it. So I'm trying to find anything that might be the cause. If my total testosterone is average, then I'll look at other causes. If my total testosterone is below average, then I know where to start.

>>11917754
How the fuck is total testosterone higher in the 35-44 range, than in the 25-34 range?

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Anonymous Mon 20 Jul 2020 03:09:57 No.11917797 Report

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>>11917764
>How the fuck is total testosterone higher in the 35-44 range, than in the 25-34 range?
It's when dad strength kicks in

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Anonymous Mon 20 Jul 2020 03:21:05 No.11917824 Report

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>>11917754
I didn't need T test to see that those dudes are low fucking T. The only one that is normal looking and has a normalize T is the asian.

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Anonymous Mon 20 Jul 2020 03:29:47 No.11917852 Report

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>>11917460
Can I drink baking soda water to boost T

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jul 2020 06:45:00 No.11918225 Report

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>>11917852
no but it will make your teeth white

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jul 2020 06:49:39 No.11918230 Report

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>>11917460

You should realize that the 'average' has fallen across the last half-century. That may be what people are referencing in terms of the 50 year old comparison.

>>11917764

Diet, exercise, and look into the shit in your soap/shampoo.

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Anonymous Mon 20 Jul 2020 06:50:55 No.11918231 Report

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>>11917460
imagine obsessing this hard over fucking NUMBERS
you're a fool and i pity you

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Anonymous Mon 20 Jul 2020 14:17:23 No.11918963 Report

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>>11918231
>imagine being concerned about your health bro

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Anonymous Mon 20 Jul 2020 14:37:56 No.11919009 Report

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just inject bro

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Anonymous Mon 20 Jul 2020 14:53:16 No.11919031 Report

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>>11918230
>and look into the shit in your soap/shampoo.
What am I looking for, exactly?

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Anonymous Mon 20 Jul 2020 16:37:16 No.11919329 Report

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>>11919031
http://www.thedoctorwillseeyounow.com/content/womens_health/art4933.html#:~:text=Personal%20care%20products%20such%20as,and%20interfere%20with%20fetal%20development.

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Anonymous Mon 20 Jul 2020 16:50:03 No.11919376 Report

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>>11919329
Ain't seeing a list of things to avoid there, mate.

The only soap I use is the cheapest bars of soap I can buy. Use that for my whole body and hair. Checked the ingredients and I ain't seeing anything that says, "phenol", "paraben", or "phthalate".

The only other stuff I put on my skin is a moisturiser. Usually "nivea soft", which I've been told by thousands of people has no anti-androgenic effects.

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Anonymous Mon 20 Jul 2020 19:59:35 No.11920019 Report

Quoted By: >>11920081 >>11924141

>>11917677
The average is re-evaluated every few years based on people getting tested. Most people who test for testosterone are rarely high-testosterone men in their 20s. So you have very shewed data on what's healthy.

I actually spoke with an endocrinologist and a professional bodybuilder about my levels some time ago. We concluded I had low free-testosterone and could benefit from more testosterone. I fatigued easily so I was happy something could help. I ended up getting everything through alternative means and stuck to a standard protocol but unfortunately it didn't really help. I felt more or less then same most days.
I then went the legit and expensive route with an endo and tried several different protocols but nothing showed much improvement towards energy levels. Unfortunately I have to be on this stuff for life. It did help my erections/sex drive and ability to gain muscle a bit, but kind of regret thinking this would solve my problems.
I think there's ways to re-introduce my body's natural endocrine function again but it's a really depressing process from what I hear.

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Anonymous Mon 20 Jul 2020 20:07:40 No.11920051 Report

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>>11917460
Testosterone tests are rather unreliable since your testosterone level can fluctuate heavily depending on so many factors. Just wanted to put that out there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jul 2020 20:08:11 No.11920052 Report

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what are the signs of high T? i'm a fucking tranny and i'm terrified of having too much T in my body

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Anonymous Mon 20 Jul 2020 20:11:36 No.11920064 Report

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>>11917824
He doesn't have normal testosterone, his is just the least shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jul 2020 20:17:35 No.11920081 Report

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>>11920019
Tbh if Chinese lab gear doesn't fix whatever it is, American big pharma gear probably won't either. It's literally just test + ester. Maybe if you had e2 issues it could be helped by more frequent bloods and a doctor. If you're not gonna PCT show your bloods do a/steroids to double check your endo and ask your doc for a longer ester they have like 3 month ones now which could make maintenance a lot easier.

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Anonymous Mon 20 Jul 2020 20:19:12 No.11920088 Report

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>>11920052
Get on hrt, even medium levels of t is gonna masculinize you and you'll regret it I bet.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jul 2020 21:21:34 No.11920322 Report

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>>11920088
i'm already on HRT but i don't know my levels. i'm taking below average dose right now

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jul 2020 21:28:07 No.11920370 Report

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>>11920081
If you look at current clinical studies, they don't show estrogen as a problem in testosterone therapy. The reasoning is that Estrogen in males is a non-endocrine hormone that self-optimizes to within range of the endocrine hormone (testosterone). So, there's no reason to artificially reduce the serum level of any non-endocrine hormones.

Here's a drive with some of the studies I'm talking about

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Ml3jnxdxpBTc3kKIIpW3KT5CqrwIdjuG

And I'm using cypionate. It honestly takes me only a minute a couple times a week to self-administer, which is no time at all. I just don't like paying for it, and it speeds up hair loss a bit. So, kind of a net loss if it doesn't help.

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Anonymous Mon 20 Jul 2020 21:48:30 No.11920486 Report

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>>11920322
Get blood work. Goes for hrt or trt. Gotta spend money if you want a good result.
>>11920370
Yeah on second thought if your free test is in normal range you probably don't need asin, but I still think you could at supernormal levels based on an overwhelming quantity of anecdotal evidence.

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Anonymous Mon 20 Jul 2020 21:50:21 No.11920499 Report

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>>11920486
i know i need bloods it's just all the labs are being used for coronavirus right now

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Jul 2020 23:30:25 No.11920765 Report

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>>11920052
If you have facial hair, football linebacker shoulders, big hands/feet, squarer jawline, defined cheekbones, broad defined browline, thick eyebrows, low bf%... If you have any of those you are a male and easily clockable - as 99% of trannies are without every facial and body surgery.

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Anonymous Tue 21 Jul 2020 00:20:02 No.11920895 Report

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>>11917460
20 is okay. 25 is good. 30 is great. 15 is a bit low. 10 is low/depressed. Less than 10 there's something wrong with your balls, go see a doctor.

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Anonymous Tue 21 Jul 2020 01:20:50 No.11921038 Report

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>>11917754
Remember when they also did a sperm count study on them and they all had well above the social average
Makes you think

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jul 2020 07:38:30 No.11921892 Report

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>>11917460
Is it possible to get all the benefits of high t except high sex drive?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jul 2020 18:37:25 No.11923455 Report

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>>11921892
>Is it possible to get all the benefits of high t except high sex drive?
Yes. Take steroids. Then move to a place with only ugly girls

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Anonymous Tue 21 Jul 2020 20:46:36 No.11923934 Report

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>>11921892
Funny because I was to ask the opposite.

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Anonymous Tue 21 Jul 2020 21:48:24 No.11924116 Report

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>>11917460
just replace your blood with testosterone if you're that worried

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Anonymous Tue 21 Jul 2020 21:49:26 No.11924121 Report

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>>11920052
Not wanting to kill yourseld

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Anonymous Tue 21 Jul 2020 21:57:49 No.11924141 Report

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>>11920019
Are you sure all of your problems are test related? I took one pill of Sertraline once and hard insano increase in sex drive and motivation. Killed my appetite and ability to climax though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Jul 2020 23:06:17 No.11924262 Report

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>>11924141
they probably weren't. My problems are just cloudy mind and fatigue. More cloudy mind than anything, which bothers me as some days I'm sharp all day and others I can't recall very simple shit. I've tried all kind of diets, nofap for months straight, sleep therapy, etc but nothing helps long-term.

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Anonymous Tue 21 Jul 2020 23:49:08 No.11924382 Report

Quoted By: >>11924868

>>11920052
Signs of high T are
No depression
You're not constantly fatigued
No brain fog
Increaeed libido
A lot of spontaneous erections

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 00:32:01 No.11924507 Report

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>>11917460
Do you even lift bro

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 03:10:51 No.11924868 Report

Quoted By: >>11925079

>>11924382
That sounds pretty good. Why aren't steroids given out to everyone so they can have high T?

I can understand not juicing people up. Because when people juice up they have testosterone levels like 5x higher than average. But why aren't we keeping men at like double today's average?

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Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 03:13:12 No.11924872 Report

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>>11917460
P I N K P I L L
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Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 04:11:33 No.11924987 Report

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>>11924262
Could be mental. Decision fatigue coupled with fried dopamin receptors (happens quite easily these days, blame computers) maybe?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 04:19:48 No.11925012 Report

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>>11924987
could be. I'm still experimenting with this possibility. At the least excess dopamine contributes negatively.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 04:53:59 No.11925079 Report

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>>11924868
I think getting a testosterone test around your 20s after puberty has finished should be highly recommended.
Teens are susceptible to depression due to hormones doing there thing. Some people in the end come out with high T levels where others come out with low. These tests should be carried out before men are given anti depressants as there are a lot of chemicals out there that disrupt endocrine sex signals.

Also fuck trannies you'll never be female

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