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Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 00:25:47 2020 No.11905168 View Reply Original Report

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What does and doesn't the mirror test tell us?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 00:26:55 No.11905172 Report

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Probably caused by 300 years of slavery

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 00:29:42 No.11905181 Report

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>>11905168
stop posting racist shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 00:30:19 No.11905182 Report

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>>11905181
Mirror test is a scientific topic

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 00:31:25 No.11905184 Report

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>>11905168
Link the test, paper or publication please

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 00:31:40 No.11905186 Report

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>>11905168
by recognize u mean like know its themselves? uh oh if 6 years then.....

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 00:31:55 No.11905188 Report

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>>11905182
mirrors are racist

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 00:34:37 No.11905200 Report

Quoted By: >>11905621

blacks and whites hate each other so much. you both deserve each other desu.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 00:40:26 No.11905216 Report

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Western children first show signs of mirror self-recognition (MSR) from 18 to 24 months of age, the benchmark index of emerging self-concept. Such signs include self-oriented behaviors while looking at the mirror to touch or remove a mark surreptitiously placed on the child’s face. The authors attempted to replicate this finding across cultures using a simplified version of the classic “mark test.” In Experiment 1, Kenyan children (N= 82, 18 to 72 months old) display a pronounced absence of spontaneous self-oriented behaviors toward the mark. In Experiment 2, the authors tested children in Fiji, Saint Lucia, Grenada, and Peru (N= 133, 36 to 55 months old), as well as children from urban United States and rural Canada. As expected from existing reports, a majority of the Canadian and American children demonstrate spontaneous self-oriented behaviors toward the mark. However, markedly fewer children from the non-Western rural sites demonstrate such behaviors. These results suggest that there are profound cross-cultural differences in the meaning of the MSR test, questioning the validity of the mark test as a universal index of self-concept in children’s development.

https://www2.psych.ubc.ca/~henrich/pdfs/Journal%20of%20Cross-Cultural%20Psychology-2010-Broesch-%20Cultural%20Variations%20in%20Children's%20Mirror%20Self-Recognition.pdf

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Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 00:42:44 No.11905220 Report

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>>11905216
Would white children raised by non western parents pass the mirror test?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 00:43:52 No.11905223 Report

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>>11905184
THIS

posting txt in a PNG and claiming it science is the basic internet propaganda 101

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 00:47:52 No.11905233 Report

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>>11905168
Link the damned paper or fuck off. this is /sci/ not /pol/.
what specific populations where were tested, what were the preconditions, what form did the test take?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 00:48:40 No.11905235 Report

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>>11905168
https://digest.bps.org.uk/2010/10/01/cross-cultural-reflections-on-the-mirror-self-recognition-test/#:~:text=Tanya%20Broesch%20and%20her%20colleagues,between%2018%20to%2072%20months.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 00:49:15 No.11905236 Report

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>>11905233
you dont post sources when you argue, why would OP? hes a faggot anyway

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Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 00:59:13 No.11905259 Report

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>>11905233
>>11905236
The screenshot is from this /pol/-esque, now suspended blog:
https://web.archive.org/web/20170116081641/http://saboteur365.wordpress.com/2015/08/13/the-mirror-test-white-babies-recognize-themselves-at-15-months-black-children-not-until-6-years-science-video/

It links to a video where it is mentioned (2m 33s):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKs_iW0QVNY&t=2m33s
This youtuber is certainly not a polack, but he doesn't source his claim.

Instead it can be found in this paper:
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0022022110381114?journalCode=jcca
Where it's used as an argument against the mirror test.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 01:01:53 No.11905273 Report

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>>11905259
>evidence against the mirror test
>wild animals can pass the mirror test
>non-whites can’t
>it must be cultural!
you love to see it

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 01:05:25 No.11905278 Report

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>>11905273
I mean, many of these non-western children grow up in homes without mirrors. It would be unreasonable to draw any conclusions from it.

However it would be interesting to perform the same test in the US, while ensuring that all groups have the same exposure to mirrors.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 01:09:48 No.11905289 Report

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>>11905278
Animals in wild have no mirrors either but they pass it

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 01:15:04 No.11905307 Report

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>>11905289
I'm not saying there are no differences between races, I'm just saying that it's unreasonable to draw any conclusion when their are in fact significant cultural differences.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 01:21:08 No.11905323 Report

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>>11905278
ants with dots painted on themselves have been observed trying to wipe it off when faced with a mirror

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 01:22:25 No.11905327 Report

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>>11905307
What sort of extreme cultural differences exist that 6 year old kenyans don't perform well in a mirror test?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 01:26:35 No.11905347 Report

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>>11905327
None that they can point. Mirror test recognition is genetic not cultural

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 01:28:06 No.11905351 Report

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>>11905323
and yet, cats do not

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 01:29:18 No.11905355 Report

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>>11905259

What could possibly be more simple and culture-neutral than putting a spot on a baby's head and a mirror in front of it

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 01:37:03 No.11905377 Report

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>>11905259
This likely correlates with lower IQs observed in nonwhites.

the paper of course defaults to the politically correct "cultural differences" conclusion. demoralizing how even science is kind of compromised.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 01:39:50 No.11905388 Report

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>>>/wsg/3525264
some interesting replies in that thread

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 01:41:08 No.11905392 Report

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>>11905182
Just because it is true doesn't mean it's not racist.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 01:43:29 No.11905400 Report

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>>11905392
>stop posting facts i dont like
what a world

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 01:44:50 No.11905401 Report

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>>11905392
According to a smithsonian report, science is white supremacy.
https://nmaahc.si.edu/learn/talking-about-race/topics/whiteness

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 01:46:27 No.11905406 Report

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>>11905392

I'm not a religious person, I believe in the truth, whatever that may be

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 01:46:57 No.11905407 Report

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>>11905400
>>11905401
Racism is the belief that one race is superior to another. If something is true and it proves that one race is superior to another, then that fact is indeed racist.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 01:51:58 No.11905416 Report

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>>11905407
That kind of science shouldn't be off limits, just because it offends

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 02:45:39 No.11905515 Report

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>>11905416
As long as science research is primarily performed at universities, avoiding scientific investigation that offends will be part of our lives.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 02:47:34 No.11905518 Report

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>>11905168
link paper or leave
preferably leave

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 02:48:01 No.11905521 Report

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>>11905278
my retarded house cats can recognize themselves in my mom's bathroom mirror. i've seen videos of jaguars, octopuses, gorrilas, chimps, gibbons, and puppies passing mirror tests lol.
>non-western
Yes, but asians can recognize themselves in the mirror even if they don't have souls

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Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 02:56:03 No.11905533 Report

Quoted By: >>11905552

>>11905392
>facts can be racist

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 02:58:28 No.11905537 Report

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>>11905168
Because white babys are so much more beautiful that the get naturally drown to reflective surfaces.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 03:03:13 No.11905541 Report

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>>11905259
>18 to 24 months old
>Not 6 years as mentioned in the racist BS screenshot from the OP
>Also a different form of test than the one used on animals
>Doesn't say all non-Western children failed, just that more of them did
Fake news as usual when you actually dissect the claims

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 03:06:18 No.11905546 Report

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>>11905541
Maybe you should as a minimum read the entire abstract before you comment on the paper.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 03:07:03 No.11905548 Report

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>>11905546
I did, asswipe

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 03:08:29 No.11905551 Report

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>>11905548
Then you should read it again.
Protip: 72 months = 6 years

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 03:09:02 No.11905552 Report

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>>11905533
Facts can be racist. The point one should gain from that is something being racist isn't inherently wrong or bad, it just is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 03:09:39 No.11905555 Report

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>>11905551
And what percentage of those were actually 72 months old? Have you read the paper?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 03:12:51 No.11905558 Report

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>>11905521
Are you sure they're recognising themselves and not just thinking they're seeing another cat/gorilla/jaguar... Etc. That's the entire point of the dot on the head.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 03:14:30 No.11905562 Report

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>>11905407
Racism is discrimination based on race, not the belief one race is superior to another.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 03:19:49 No.11905570 Report

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>>11905558
Usually the animal would attack the mirror if that were the case, but they dont. Its implied in the definition of "passing".

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 03:20:32 No.11905573 Report

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>>11905555
The paper doesn't go into more detail than that they tested a group of 82 Kenyan children in the age range 18-72 months. Only two of them identified themselves, both of them 48 months old.
You're really just nitpicking at this point.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 03:20:42 No.11905574 Report

Quoted By: >>11905578 >>11905587

>>11905181
Why science doesn't fear investigation? How does this physically hurt the races being studied? If it's used as justification later on that's a different question.

By denying different races the ability to be differnt you are denying nature and science for ideology. I hate you and people like you, modern day church.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 03:23:23 No.11905578 Report

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>>11905574
>modern day church.
The galileo thing was a bit of a myth

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 03:23:23 No.11905579 Report

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>>11905562
>>11905407
For example. A bunch of black people could start a chess club but ban Asians, whites and Jews thinking they're better at chess and don't want to lose. That would be racist but not founded on any idea that blacks are superior to asians/whites/Jews at chess.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 03:25:27 No.11905582 Report

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>>11905570
Perhaps they don't recognise it as themselves or as another animals. They're able to recognise its not real but otherwise just as something interesting.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 03:28:28 No.11905587 Report

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>>11905574
Not applicable in this thread. OP pic related isn't factual

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 03:28:40 No.11905588 Report

Quoted By: >>11905604

>>11905578
You clearly understood my point? Do you want to argue on semantics?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 03:30:23 No.11905594 Report

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>>11905587
So instead of saying "it isn't factual because of x, y and z. How can you believe this shit" you post: Stop posting racist shit? Fuck off you disingenuous asshole.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 03:31:02 No.11905596 Report

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>>11905587
Grasping at straws

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 03:33:17 No.11905604 Report

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>>11905588
No I understand but I'm too irreverant for my own good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 03:34:19 No.11905607 Report

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>>11905579
actually that would be racialism not racism

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 03:34:37 No.11905611 Report

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>>11905259
isn't this subject to whether kids even give a fuck about dots on their face or how noticable the dot is?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 03:37:32 No.11905618 Report

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>>11905579
No, that would be blacks being racist against blacks. The motivation is that blacks are inferior, doesn't matter if it is a black person who is holding the belief.

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Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 03:38:25 No.11905621 Report

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>>11905200
Na blacks hate everyone which is why they commit more hate crimes by large margins, White people are just waking up to the fact that everyone has been living off them while benefiting from White technology advancement and Whites are rightfully getting angry.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 03:42:57 No.11905629 Report

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>>11905515
Instead it'll be answers looking for problems.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 03:44:09 No.11905631 Report

Quoted By: >>11905645

>>11905168
Whites are more narcissistic than blacks

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 03:46:52 No.11905636 Report

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>>11905587
Why didn't you respond to this >>11905573 person's post but instead skipped over it? It's almost as if you realized you lost that argument so you decided to move on to the next by repeating you original claim. You're not Jewish, are you?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 03:48:05 No.11905637 Report

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>>11905629
The truth...

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 03:51:24 No.11905639 Report

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>>11905351
uhhh that must be entirely cultural and due to socioeconomic factors

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 03:52:43 No.11905645 Report

Quoted By: >>11905650 >>11905652

>>11905631
Is that true?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 03:54:26 No.11905650 Report

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>>11905645
Obvious....This thread is a example....

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 03:55:55 No.11905652 Report

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>>11905645
They have a high incidence of entitlement so I think he's wrong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 03:56:13 No.11905654 Report

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>>11905416
What possible benefit for humanity would there be if a certain race were scientifically proven to be superior/inferior? It would bring nothing but misery.

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Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 04:00:14 No.11905661 Report

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>>11905552
>i dont think im better than you
>i enjoy your company and culture
>i want to be around you in a fair environment
>I also read this article scientifically showing with 99% certaintly that black people have on average 10% less brain white matter in controller settings
wow you fuckin racist

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 04:01:10 No.11905663 Report

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>>11905654
No, no benefits.
Only if you think a WAR like a benefit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 04:01:21 No.11905664 Report

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>>11905278
What mirrors do elephants grow up with?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 04:02:15 No.11905666 Report

Quoted By: >>11905676

>>11905661
Racists are fun...

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 04:02:52 No.11905667 Report

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They want you as slaves.

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Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 04:02:53 No.11905668 Report

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>>11905181

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Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 04:03:02 No.11905669 Report

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>>11905552
>dont worry, being racist isnt inherently wrong or bad
>"ok i guess my research is a little racist"
>HA, GOTCHA
>gets cancelled and his house burned down

you cheeky cunt

Cringey

Cringey Thu 16 Jul 2020 04:03:57 No.11905671 Report

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>>11905668
insectoid image macro poster

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 04:04:27 No.11905673 Report

Quoted By: >>11905687 >>11905694 >>11905696

>White is better !!
>White is beatiful
>God is white!
Loving white tears here.....mmmmmmm so delicious....

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 04:06:04 No.11905676 Report

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>>11905666
I would disagree

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 04:06:52 No.11905678 Report

Quoted By: >>11905692

>>11905650
Whats narcisictic about acknowledging black children cant recognize themselves in the mirror?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 04:08:13 No.11905683 Report

Quoted By: >>11905688

>>11905654
Understanding reality better would bring more misery? No, misery is living in a web if leftist lies

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 04:10:38 No.11905687 Report

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>>11905673
Why do you hate white people but use their technology, speak their language and live in their countries?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 04:10:44 No.11905688 Report

Quoted By: >>11905697

>>11905683
Some truths are dangerous. Publishing such research would almost guarantee another Nazi type government coming into power somewhere in the world.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 04:12:05 No.11905692 Report

Quoted By: >>11905697

>>11905678
Do you have a scientific article about this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 04:14:19 No.11905694 Report

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>>11905673
Rabbi?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 04:14:51 No.11905696 Report

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>>11905673
If this is your response you hang around the wrong people. You get off to irrational, angry, "white people"

If you live in a good city and still ended up this way I feel sorry for you

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jul 2020 04:15:25 No.11905697 Report

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>>11905692
The studies are in this thread. Stop being delusional

>>11905688
Some lies are dangerous. Publishing such research would almost guarantee another Soviet type government coming into power somewhere in the world

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