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Which cult is less wrong about nutrition science?

Anonymous Tue 14 Jul 23:03:01 2020 No.11901748 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>11901831 >>11904440 >>11904738 >>11904807

Guys why does nutrition science srsly have these two fanatic camps that contradict each other about everything?
I am literally going crazy trying to figure it out, why do you literally have the keto/low carb-high fat camp on one side that say refined carbs and sugars are the main cause of insulin resistance/diabetes/heart disease/cancer and that industry funded studies have been suppressing this fact for decades, and then you have the vegan/plant based-low fat camp on the other side that say that dietary fat and low carb/keto diets cause insulin resistance/diabetes/heart disease/cancer, and that industry funded studies have been suppressing this fact for decades?
Which side is less full of shit?
What is the actual redpill??

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Jul 2020 23:32:35 No.11901831 Report

Quoted By: >>11902418 >>11904738

>>11901748
genral obesity and diabetes is mainly caused by consuming way too much refined sugar, while not noticing the caloric value of what you're eating.

the same thing can happen with fat but its harder to eat a fuckload of fat as opposed to sugar.
have a balanced diet and you will be fine

keto/low fat diets mostly work because you're cuttung out more macronutrients and increasing protein consumption

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Jul 2020 03:39:09 No.11902418 Report

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>>11901831
What about cancer?
Vegan cult says low carb diet causes cancer, keto cult says high carb diet causes cancer!
Also what about insulin resistance?
Vegans say low carb diets increase it, ketos say refined carbs and sugars increase it!
And heart disease?
Vegans say eating saturated fat causes it, ketos say it's more the PUFAs and high insulin that cause it and that dietary fat isn't actually that related to blood LDL levels and heart disease? (right? something like that?)

WHICH SIDE IS RIGHT??

This seems like stuff that shouldn't be that hard to research correctly, which side is the actual bullshit industry shill?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Jul 2020 04:05:57 No.11902462 Report

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I don't follow neither, however if forced to pick one I firmly would side with low carb diet, just because I've met a lot of people that follow both diets. People on keto diet hardly ever complain about their health issues, from my experience they look healthy, happy and full of energy. Their main complain is social, not being be able to freely party and eat/drink whatever you want with friends and relatives. Vegans that I met however had a lot of health issues, mostly eating disorders and dental problems and usually they seem to develop after starting vegan diet. Just my experience.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Jul 2020 04:07:32 No.11902465 Report

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Also, vegans have a lot of complains of not having energy, feeling burnt out, crush and etc. That's why it seems like they are eating 5-6 times a day. People on keto don't have this problem, actually it's opposite. The forget to eat from time to time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Jul 2020 07:37:57 No.11902899 Report

Quoted By: >>11904228 >>11904836

As a biology PhD, I would go with the diet most closely related to what the first humans evolved from (i.e low carb). Pic related. Also, it's ridiculous to think that humans won't have health issues in a plant based diet. There's a reason no culture is entirely plant based. Fats and protein are the most important macronutrients, carbs aren't necessary to survive. Your brain thrives on fat. Cholesterol is essential.

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Anonymous Wed 15 Jul 2020 07:40:41 No.11902902 Report

Quoted By: >>11904228 >>11904488 >>11904827

Forgot to out the picture

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Jul 2020 18:17:24 No.11904228 Report

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>>11902899
>>11902902
Yes, I fucking knew that was gonna be the right answer, I've always leaned towards the plant based side but I've brainwashed myself with so many keto and fasting lectures in the past month that when I saw 'what the health' two days ago I knew it couldn't be all that accurate.. They actually say in that movie that a low carb diet in the long term increases cancer, heart disease, insulin resistance and all cause mortality..
I wonder what studies they got that from..

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Jul 2020 19:44:37 No.11904440 Report

Quoted By: >>11904723 >>11904744 >>11904831

>>11901748
>Which side is less full of shit?
Both
>What is the actual redpill?
We have been eating grains for millenia. The problem is the iron fortification. Too much iron blocks the absorption of manganese and the resulting deficiency leads to diabetes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Jul 2020 20:11:55 No.11904488 Report

Quoted By: >>11904510 >>11904723

>>11902902
What horseshit is this?

A carbohydrate is a molecule that contains only carbon, hydrogen and oxygen. Carbo. Hydrate.

A saturated fat is made up of three carbohydrate chains bonded to a glycerol backbone. A saturated fat therefore, is a carbohydrate.

Jesus.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Jul 2020 20:23:05 No.11904510 Report

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>>11904488
Fat is only hydrogen and carbon. No oxygen, no hydrate.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Jul 2020 21:45:13 No.11904723 Report

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>>11904440
>The problem is the iron fortification. Too much iron blocks the absorption of manganese and the resulting deficiency leads to diabetes.
Now this I've never heard from either side
>>11904488
>A saturated fat therefore, is a carbohydrate.
Lol are you sure about this? it seems like someone would have noticed

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Jul 2020 21:50:36 No.11904738 Report

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>>11901748
Vegans, and it's not even close.
>>11901831
>genral obesity and diabetes is mainly caused by consuming way too much refined sugar
False.
>its harder to eat a fuckload of fat as opposed to sugar.
Also false. In fact added fats are the chief source of caloric excess in the Western pattern diet.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Jul 2020 21:51:38 No.11904744 Report

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>>11904440
Actually redpilled

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Jul 2020 21:52:39 No.11904747 Report

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>>11904510
Go look up the chemical structure of palmitic acid, then come back to me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Jul 2020 22:08:46 No.11904807 Report

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>>11901748
Obesity is caused mainly by gut dysbiosis. Those bacteria eat complex carbs that we cannot digest and turn them into fat. Why do you think keto works so well? People stop eating carbs and suddenly their caloric input decreases and they start losing weight. Gram negative bacteria produce lipopolysaccharides which cause inflammation and therefore tissue damage, which causes depression, kidney damage, liver damage and what not. Keto works because of the gut microbiome. Intermittent fasting works because eating too much causes gut dysbiosis and eating too often causes gut dysbiosis. Fructose or sugar (fructose+glucose) is bad for you because it gets metabolized by the liver quiet similarly as alcohol, and causes damage, too. Anything which increases your insulin resistance is bad for you, anything which disrupts your pH balance in your body is bad for you. Gut dysbiosis leads to kidney damage which fucks your ability to excrete toxins and messes up your ability to manage pH, increases serum calcium and then you get symptoms associated with hypercalcemia, which also leads to insulin resistance and oxidative damage everywhere. Look it up on pubmed.

If your gut microbiome is not infected then eating carbs and plants is completely fine. Everything else is just a nutritional deficiency, and whether you supplement or make the effort to get it through plants doesnt matter much. Plants are just as contaminated as meat in todays world. When meat has antibiotics and isnt grass fed then plants are just full of pesticides and heavy metals.

So the strategy is:
1) Fix your gut, kill bad bacteria and replace it with good bacteria (alkaline/acidic water can help while fasting together with probiotics, look it up on scholar)
2) Fix nutritional deficiencies, especially iodine when it comes to obesity
3) Stop eating burned/browned food, eat twice a day in an 6 to 8 hour window and don’t overeat

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Jul 2020 22:13:58 No.11904827 Report

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>>11902902
You fucking idiots don’t understand that carbs are turned into fat by the gut microbiome. High LDL all in itself is not necessarily bad. Look up Ivor Cummins on YouTube, the LDL meme is mostly a fraud, and there are much better predictors of cardiovascular mortality

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Jul 2020 22:15:18 No.11904831 Report

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>>11904440
Any nutritional deficiency leads to any disease.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Jul 2020 22:17:15 No.11904836 Report

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>>11902899
Actually based poster.
>>11902418
Stop thinking in terms of left/right like you do in politics. Research every idea yourself, you have pubmed or google scholar. Experiment yourself, get blood tests and see how you feel.

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