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For me, it's Kaczynski

Anonymous Wed 01 Jul 21:39:25 2020 No.11858054 View Reply Original Report

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>The Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Jul 2020 21:40:42 No.11858059 Report

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>>11858054
Was his work as a PhD student valuable?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Jul 2020 21:46:20 No.11858072 Report

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>>11858059
Apparently it was praised as exceptional. Don't forget that he was in his early 20s at the time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Jul 2020 21:49:56 No.11858079 Report

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>>11858054
>Idolising a mass murderer because he was good at maths
Why don't you edgelords idolise a mathematician who didn't resort to terrorism?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Jul 2020 21:52:07 No.11858083 Report

Quoted By: >>11858102 >>11858106

>>11858054
His fails in that he says only revolutions can change society. Not reform or anything else.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Jul 2020 21:57:25 No.11858094 Report

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>>11858079
>because he was good at maths
I don't idolize him because of that or any other reason. Don't particularly care for his academic works either. Read his manifesto.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Jul 2020 22:01:15 No.11858102 Report

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>>11858083
reform is soft. Soft ideals require extensive organization and unity to make an impact.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Jul 2020 22:03:14 No.11858106 Report

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>>11858083
111. The foregoing principles help to show how hopelessly difficult it would be to reform the industrial system in such a way as to prevent it from progressively narrowing our sphere of freedom. There has been a consistent tendency, going back at least to the Industrial Revolution for technology to strengthen the system at a high cost in individual freedom and local autonomy. Hence any change designed to protect freedom from technology would be contrary to a fundamental trend in the development of our society. Consequently, such a change either would be a transitory one—soon swamped by the tide of history—or, if large enough to be permanent would alter the nature of our whole society. This by the first and second principles. Moreover, since society would be altered in a way that could not be predicted in advance (third principle) there would be great risk. Changes large enough to make a lasting difference in favor of freedom would not be initiated because it would be realized that they would gravely disrupt the system. So any attempts at reform would be too timid to be effective. Even if changes large enough to make a lasting difference were initiated, they would be retracted when their disruptive effects became apparent. Thus, permanent changes in favor of freedom could be brought about only by persons prepared to accept radical, dangerous and unpredictable alteration of the entire system. In other words by revolutionaries, not reformers.

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Anonymous Wed 01 Jul 2020 22:06:32 No.11858117 Report

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>>11858054
He was spot on with his observations about the issues that have followed technological progress. He was delusional to think his little bombing spree would change anything, though.

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Anonymous Wed 01 Jul 2020 22:12:24 No.11858129 Report

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>>11858117
I thought exactly the same! He himself expresses doubt about any potential revolution being even possible given the psychological context of it. Perhaps Ted was so desperate and depressed that he felt delusional. Living alone for literal years on end probably made a difference as well. That makes me even more blackpilled though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Jul 2020 22:15:00 No.11858137 Report

Quoted By: >>11858152 >>11858161 >>11858258

Why industrial revolution and not the invention of fire?

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Anonymous Wed 01 Jul 2020 22:19:08 No.11858152 Report

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>>11858137
I personally think it started with normalization of usury. The industrial revolution was merely a consequence of inflationary economics caused by interest payments.
>Exodus 22:24

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Anonymous Wed 01 Jul 2020 22:21:47 No.11858161 Report

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>>11858137

That is exactly what anprims argue, except rather than fire it's the creation of art and the separation of humanity from nature.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Jul 2020 22:23:14 No.11858170 Report

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>>11858161
>the creation of art
How did that destroy humanity? Wouldn't primitive art be the most pure, rather?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Jul 2020 22:25:32 No.11858176 Report

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>>11858054
Because you don't understand maths (thus the world) and use him as a cover for your unwillingness to learn

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Jul 2020 22:27:11 No.11858182 Report

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>>11858176
kek. I have a math BA.
C O P E
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Anonymous Wed 01 Jul 2020 22:27:42 No.11858183 Report

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>>11858170

>Art turns the subject into object, into symbol. The shaman’s role was to objectify reality; this happened to outer nature and to subjectivity alike because alienated life demanded it. Art provided the medium of conceptual transformation by which the individual was separated from nature and dominated, at the deepest level, socially. Art’s ability to symbolize and direct human emotion accomplished both ends. What we were led to accept as necessity, in order to keep ourselves oriented in nature and society, was at base the invention of the symbolic world, the Fall of Man.

>Daily life has become aestheticized by a saturation of images and music, largely through the electronic media, the representation of representation. Image and sound, in their ever-presence, have become a void, ever more absent of meaning for the individual. Meanwhile, the distance between artist and spectator has diminished, a narrowing that only highlights the absolute distance between aesthetic experience and what is real. This perfectly duplicates the spectacle at large: separate and manipulating, perpetual aesthetic experience and a demonstration of political power.

>Surrealism is the last school to assert the political mission of art. Before trailing off into Trotskyism and/or art-world fame, the Surrealists upheld chance and the primitive as ways to unlock “the Marvellous” which society imprisons in the unconscious.

>Pop Art demonstrated that the boundaries between art and mass media (e.g. ads and comics) are dissolving. Its perfunctory and mass-produced look is that of the whole society and the detached, blank quality of a Warhol and his products sum it up. Banal, morally weightless, depersonalized images, cynically manipulated by a fashion-conscious marketing stratagem: the nothingness of modern art and its world revealed.

Zerzan, John. "The Case Against Art"

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Anonymous Wed 01 Jul 2020 22:27:43 No.11858184 Report

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oh you silly boys be glad that im not your dictator, every anti progress person would get immediately deported to a slave labor camp.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Jul 2020 22:30:03 No.11858189 Report

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>>11858184

As if concentration camps and systematized killing was not the byproduct of The Enlightenment itself.

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Anonymous Wed 01 Jul 2020 22:30:52 No.11858195 Report

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not that i would need a slave labor camp if i just push for progress and automatism. but it would be here 4 guys like you, to recreate the good old times.

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Anonymous Wed 01 Jul 2020 22:34:00 No.11858210 Report

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>>11858182
Answer this then, bachelor

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Jul 2020 22:35:33 No.11858213 Report

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>>11858210

Looks like faggot shit that Godel or Cantor would contest even exists.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Jul 2020 22:37:46 No.11858221 Report

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>>11858210
oi, fuck off. I never liked rings. Barely passed second semester abstract because of them. Don't want to hear about polynomial ring modality ever again. I understand group theory much better.

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Anonymous Wed 01 Jul 2020 22:43:20 No.11858241 Report

Quoted By: >>11858256

>>11858221
You see?
you don't want to learn

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Jul 2020 22:46:51 No.11858256 Report

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>>11858241
I'm happy to talk about group theory or PDEs or a variety of other topics. Just not rings. I have a PTSD from even mentioning them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Jul 2020 22:47:54 No.11858258 Report

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>>11858137
Because I technology derived from the industrial revolution requires factories, bodies to work them, laws to support all this, infrastructure and legal codes to use it in, government to support it, etc.

He's generally fine with preindustrial stuff.

Another way of looking at his problem is there are just too many people in the world. On that I think we are all in agreement

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Anonymous Wed 01 Jul 2020 23:09:27 No.11858313 Report

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jul 2020 00:03:28 No.11858448 Report

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>>11858094
It's a bunch of crank, because he, like many other pseuds, like to blame all of humanity's problems on one singular event. His math was better. If you read his works for philosophical value, then you probably also watch twitch streamers for their political value.

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Anonymous Thu 02 Jul 2020 00:37:46 No.11858552 Report

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>>11858054
The human race and its consequences have been a disaster for the planet Earth.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jul 2020 03:05:16 No.11858868 Report

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>>11858448
And your exact criticisms of his manifesto are..?

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