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Science should have one goal only

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 10:22:36 2020 No.11845499 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>11845501 >>11845917 >>11846122 >>11846574 >>11848019 >>11850356

Achieving gravity control. It would be the equivalent to controlling fire. We would step out of our primitive state and find our place among the stars.

Change my mind.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 10:23:09 No.11845501 Report

Quoted By: >>11845584 >>11845590 >>11846157 >>11849175

>>11845499
alright how do we do it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 11:00:20 No.11845584 Report

Quoted By: >>11845586

>>11845501
Understand gravity first, which is what physicists have been trying to do for a while

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 11:01:12 No.11845586 Report

Quoted By: >>11845591

>>11845584
It’s curvature if spacetime. I can control gravity right now just put a bunch of mass somewhere and it curves spacetime. ezpz.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 11:01:56 No.11845590 Report

Quoted By: >>11845926 >>11849019

>>11845501

What the fuck do i know. I´m just a regular retard. All i know is that this is the most important scientific goal, period. Because humans tend to fuck up things and always need a Plan B to resort to.

If we don´t achieve gravity control, we die here sooner or later.

Maybe some US deep black projects already know how to do it but keep it to themselfes because of muh power.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 11:02:02 No.11845591 Report

Quoted By: >>11845592

>>11845586
>It’s curvature if spacetime
any proof of that?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 11:03:29 No.11845592 Report

Quoted By: >>11845593

>>11845591
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tests_of_general_relativity

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 11:04:39 No.11845593 Report

Quoted By: >>11845597 >>11845604

>>11845592
yes, and newtonian mechanics also predicted many things based on its model. can you prove that gravity IS actually curved spacetime?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 11:06:18 No.11845597 Report

Quoted By: >>11845599

>>11845593
it's not math, retard.
either the model works or not.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 11:08:06 No.11845599 Report

Quoted By: >>11845896

>>11845597
ok so it's a model. but you should know that a model models, it doesn't define

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 11:09:07 No.11845604 Report

Quoted By: >>11845611

>>11845593
Just because a model isn’t precise doesn’t mean it can’t make predictions and it’s predictions can be sort of accurate. Relativity is the best model for how gravity works at this current moment. What do mean prove gravity is curved spacetime. We can measure time dilation and everything like that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 11:12:22 No.11845611 Report

Quoted By: >>11845615 >>11849168

>>11845604
>Relativity is the best model for how gravity works at this current moment
exactly, it's a model, not its true reality

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 11:14:23 No.11845615 Report

Quoted By: >>11845635 >>11845947

>>11845611
We see time dilation and we see time dilation causes gravity. We then see mass causing this time dilation. This is the curvature of spacetime.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 11:24:31 No.11845635 Report

Quoted By: >>11845644

>>11845615
no, this is modeled by the theory of the curvature of spacetime, nothing says that it actually is

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 11:28:38 No.11845644 Report

Quoted By: >>11845651

>>11845635
What do you mean. We see time dilation caused by mass.... we can measure it. Then we see mass causes this time dilation. The mass is bending spacetime.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 11:31:43 No.11845651 Report

Quoted By: >>11845660

>>11845644
do you understand what separates a model of something from the thing itself?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 11:33:43 No.11845656 Report

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you'd need a particle accelerator 1000 light years across to understand gravity

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 11:34:30 No.11845660 Report

Quoted By: >>11845665

>>11845651
Help me out here. Your problem is with the word spacetime? Or time dilation causing gravity and this time dilation being caused by gravity. If you don’t think spacetime exist well prove space or time then selves exist you can’t.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 11:36:30 No.11845665 Report

Quoted By: >>11845918

>>11845660
my problem is that you seem to be treating the model of something as if it was the thing itself

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666 Sun 28 Jun 2020 11:39:05 No.11845671 Report

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I can prove its spacetime curvature

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 13:09:24 No.11845896 Report

Quoted By: >>11845916

>>11845599
all the model does is gives predictions.
if they work, assume it's correct.
proof from axioms are very hand wavy, can't do it like in math.
if you're not happy with it, make your own fucking model.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 13:21:26 No.11845916 Report

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>>11845896
yes, the model is correct in predicting reality (always to a certain error) but it doesn't mean that it's also saying what reality is

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 13:22:10 No.11845917 Report

Quoted By: >>11845922

>>11845499
No it wouldn't, most likely it will be energy inefficient

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 13:22:52 No.11845918 Report

Quoted By: >>11845932 >>11847267

>>11845665
Then please tell me how you can understand the"thing itself" without a model. This thread is about understanding gravity, correct? How do you propose to understand "gravity itself" without a model?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 13:24:33 No.11845922 Report

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>>11845917

You obviously doon´t understand the implications of gravity control for the human race.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 13:29:13 No.11845926 Report

Quoted By: >>11846111

>>11845590
>Maybe some US deep black projects already know how to do it
it wouldn’t be to hard to build a particle accelerator in the continental US that could find gravitons (assuming they exist), though keeping it hidden during construction would be, if gravitons exist, they are found, and their is a way of manipulating them then you could control gravity.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 13:33:32 No.11845932 Report

Quoted By: >>11845948

>>11845918
you should first tell me how to understand something from a model

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 13:41:01 No.11845947 Report

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>>11845615
I think you need to take some time to dilate

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 13:41:08 No.11845948 Report

Quoted By: >>11845957

>>11845932
A model IS an understanding. But nice attempt to avoid the question.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 13:44:54 No.11845957 Report

Quoted By: >>11845964

>>11845948
>an understanding
so it's not THE understanding

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 13:47:42 No.11845964 Report

Quoted By: >>11846321 >>11847044

>>11845957
What is "THE understanding?"

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 15:00:38 No.11846111 Report

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>>11845926

IF there really was or is a secret programe that has mastered gravity for aerospace applications, it´s description would most likely match what this gentleman is arguably telling us about it.

It´s very specific in a spooky way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ua0MMXJl3FM&t

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 15:05:17 No.11846122 Report

Quoted By: >>11846144 >>11846205

>>11845499
It doesn't work like that. The scientific community is constantly working to understand our universe. Problem is, 95% of the population is a bunch of fucking morons. Then another 4% are powerhungry assholes. The two of them control where all the funding and priorities go. So scientists do what they can, when they can. Which is very little, very seldom compared to how things could be.

Besides, controlling gravity is like FTL speeds, alternate dimensions and all that. We don't even know if it's possible. Sci-fi loves painting this picture where we can invent any kind of space magic to do whatever we want, but right now things are looking more and more we will never have FTL. If humanity ever spreads out of here before WW3 or a cataclysmic event, then it'll likely be through nanites and other automatons, for a number of reasons I won't explain here.

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Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 15:12:13 No.11846144 Report

Quoted By: >>11846210

>>11846122
>but right now things are looking more and more we will never have FTL.

We will have FTL because we have to, to survive and because others obviously got it too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 15:16:37 No.11846157 Report

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>>11845501
mass modulation. But nobody knows exactly how.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 15:41:46 No.11846205 Report

Quoted By: >>11846458

>>11846122
>If humanity ever spreads out of here before WW3 or a cataclysmic event, then it'll likely be through nanites
In the far future humans will be made out of nanites resembling a humanoid shape. These nanites will act like cells, but will be capable of physically reorganize and become any kind of shape. Humans will be able to do things like free their nanites and become a nanite cloud, to move through small holes (mm) for example.
I'm from your future, no i will not post anymore.

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Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 15:45:13 No.11846210 Report

Quoted By: >>11846218

>>11846144
Yawn

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 15:49:15 No.11846218 Report

Quoted By: >>11846234

>>11846210
What was the source of the glare though? Not that I believe in any fringe UFO theories.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 15:54:02 No.11846234 Report

Quoted By: >>11846429 >>11846479

>>11846218
A plane many miles away moving at normal speed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 16:14:27 No.11846321 Report

Quoted By: >>11846340 >>11847044

>>11845964
I literally have no idea

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 16:19:30 No.11846340 Report

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>>11846321
Then you are whining about nothing. Our understanding is the current best empirically verified model.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 16:46:51 No.11846429 Report

Quoted By: >>11846624

>>11846234

You retards ALWAYS leave out corroborating data. There have been multiple fighter pilots and radar operators who witnessed flight performance that is above and beyond what we are capable of.

But debunker will always make up mundane explanations that only stand as long as there is no additional data confirming what really occured.

You people are the reason we are getting nowhere and you know it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 16:54:16 No.11846458 Report

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>>11846205
does cellular automata into nanites at a certain point?
or is it just a silly toy for compsci niggers

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 16:59:39 No.11846479 Report

Quoted By: >>11846629

>>11846234

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z10B10-Mj0o

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 17:20:50 No.11846574 Report

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>>11845499
I already sussed us out with immortality. Fuck yes. Agreed. ATTACK!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQZ9QQLwH4k

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 17:31:17 No.11846624 Report

Quoted By: >>11846681

>>11846429
>You retards ALWAYS leave out corroborating data.
I don't think you understand what corroborating means. The videos don't show anything abnormal so saying the pilots did is the opposite of corroborating. But you are free to post whatever evidence you think supports your claims.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 17:32:48 No.11846629 Report

Quoted By: >>11846681

>>11846479
Is this supposed to respond to my post?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 17:51:20 No.11846681 Report

Quoted By: >>11846759

>>11846624
>I don't think you understand what corroborating means. The videos don't show anything abnormal so saying the pilots did is the opposite of corroborating. But you are free to post whatever evidence you think supports your claims.

Obviously you don´t understand what corroborating data means. The Pilots and radar operators directly and indirectly (through radar) observed the object in that video. Ignoring this and just pointing to the videos is just deliberately ignorant and unscientific.

I don´t know why i bother talking with people like you. You will never see anything outside of your narrow perception.

>>11846629

Yes. Watch it. You will hear the sailors first hand statements regarding the 2004 incident.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 18:11:01 No.11846759 Report

Quoted By: >>11847199

>>11846681
>The Pilots and radar operators directly and indirectly (through radar) observed the object in that video.
How do you know?

And you completely failed to respond to my point. If the video shows the same object as what the pilots saw then they don't corroborate each other. If anything, the silly responses to this video by alleged "experts" in contradiction with what the video actually contains shows that eyewitness observations are unreliable.

>Ignoring this and just pointing to the videos
I didn't ignore anything, I responded to what was posted. Again, you are free to pay whatever evidence you want. Don't whine at me for your failure to do so.

>I don´t know why i bother talking with people like you. You will never see anything outside of your narrow perception.
LOL, you refuse to accept a mundane explanation.

>Yes. Watch it. You will hear the sailors first hand statements regarding the 2004 incident.
But the GIMBAL video is from 2015.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 19:34:53 No.11847044 Report

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>>11845964
>>11846321
the problem with models is they generally only operate in a narrow band of analysis, and rely on rules that are necessarily more simple than reality.
in a sense, knowing was a thing *is* involves having models appropriate for the situations in question, as a single model is probably insufficient.
even if we suspect there is no gravity-like phenomenon beyond simply the concentration of matter, we don't have the right models to describe how it manifests from the quantum world, for instance.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 20:10:58 No.11847199 Report

Quoted By: >>11847898

>>11846759
>If anything, the silly responses to this video by alleged "experts" in contradiction with what the video actually contains shows that eyewitness observations are unreliable.
> alleged "experts"

Holy shit how can one bethis stupid. There literally are pilots and radar operators confirming the authenticity of the video and the objects behaviour and you have the nerve to question not one professional and very educated opinion but several. They were there when it happened and several high ranking people from a complete naval battle group came forward with the same story behind this video. To call them alleged "experts" is like calling einstein a Pseud.

You sir, are seriously ignorant about the data because it does not fit your worldview and/or narrative.

It´s so obvious that it´s almost hilarious.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 20:24:51 No.11847259 Report

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easy. if you want to go up, just turn upside down

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 20:27:10 No.11847267 Report

Quoted By: >>11847900

>>11845918
Dude holy fuck you are such a brainlet. This is basic philosophy of science. "All models are wrong." Type shit. The model gives you approximations but isn't the thing itself. Just like Newton's gravity worked well enough at the time, so does Einstein gravity now. This applies to any scientific theory and its accompanying model/s ever.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 23:00:21 No.11847898 Report

Quoted By: >>11847915

>>11847199
>Holy shit how can one bethis stupid. There literally are pilots and radar operators confirming the authenticity of the video and the objects behaviour and you have the nerve to question not one professional and very educated opinion but several.
Yes I do have the nerve. I didn't question the authenticity of the video. The pilots and whoever else think the video shows anomalous behavior are simply wrong and haven't analyzed the video rigorously. Their failure is not evidence of anything except their lack of expertise. But please do keep fallaciously appealing to their already disproven authority, it really makes it easy to disregard your argument.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 23:01:24 No.11847900 Report

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>>11847267
Nothing you said responds to my post or even disagrees with it. Try again.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 23:04:30 No.11847915 Report

Quoted By: >>11847920 >>11847927

>>11847898
what does that video have to do with anything? it's just a retard that posted /x/ schizo stuff, the whole thread of discussion you are responding to hasn never mentioned that video

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 23:06:09 No.11847920 Report

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>>11847915
sorry, wrong reply, I mistyped while cumming in my own mouth

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 23:07:18 No.11847927 Report

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>>11847915
Relax dude, I'm not the one started talking about it. I'm just here to spank /x/tards.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 23:39:43 No.11848019 Report

Quoted By: >>11849023

>>11845499
>grvaity control
Try defining what you think you mean first.
>It would be the equivalent to controlling fire.
We control fire by knowing how to start it with chemical reactions mostly as far as modern applications go.
What chemical reactions would "start gravity?" That really just goes back to combustion again which is just more fire and rockets. And it wouldn't really be gravity so much as acceleration since that's what g-force really is in SI.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Jun 2020 04:58:43 No.11849019 Report

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>>11845590
>I´m just a regular retard. All i know is that this is the most important scientific goal, period.
retard ur shits all fucked up

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Jun 2020 05:00:49 No.11849023 Report

Quoted By: >>11849180

>>11848019
controlling and manipulating gravity waves the same way we control and manipulate electromagnetic waves

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Jun 2020 05:53:20 No.11849163 Report

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We're "trying", OP. First step is knowing what the fuck gravity exactly is. We're not doing well, but damn it we're trying.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Jun 2020 05:57:02 No.11849168 Report

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>>11845611
we only have models to describe reality. some are useful and some are not. general relativity is useful.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Jun 2020 06:01:07 No.11849175 Report

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>>11845501
Put something really heavy at the front of your spaceship, and watch as you're free from the burden of earth's gravity.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Jun 2020 06:05:17 No.11849180 Report

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>>11849023
Putting the word "waves" after it doesn't change anything. And gravity is much, much weaker than electeomagnetism, so storing and using it as an energy would be a massive downgrade from how we already store and use electrical power. We had the former before the latter with old non-electric pendulum clocks that relied on weights and gears.
The only reason gravity seems so powerful is because there is an extremely massive (relative to ourselves) planet we're living on with enough size to keep us pinned down to the ground barring deliberate attempts to mechanically propel ourselves off planet.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Jun 2020 16:27:20 No.11850356 Report

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>>11845499
>achieve gravity control
>still die of cancer
jeez anon it was a great idea

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