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Anonymous Fri 26 Jun 06:33:13 2020 No.11838408 View Reply Original Report

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Internal monologues are a meme right? I mean do you all seriously say everything you think aloud and clear in your mind? thoughts are distinct from language, no?

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Anonymous Fri 26 Jun 2020 06:35:42 No.11838413 Report

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>>11838408
500 wpm monologue is probably pretty godlevel tho.. it means u can quickly translate pure thought into meaningful semantics that others can work with. Images wouldn't work as well because I'm not typing to you in images right now

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Anonymous Fri 26 Jun 2020 06:54:31 No.11838453 Report

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>>11838408
are you a brainlet?

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Anonymous Fri 26 Jun 2020 06:56:36 No.11838461 Report

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>>11838413
How do I increase my monologue wpm?
I'm such a retard that I just have nothing to think about even if I want to talk to myself.

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Anonymous Fri 26 Jun 2020 06:56:50 No.11838462 Report

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>>11838453
no

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Anonymous Fri 26 Jun 2020 06:59:14 No.11838469 Report

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>>11838461
Try practicing thinking faster

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Anonymous Fri 26 Jun 2020 07:09:30 No.11838490 Report

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>>11838469
>tfw have slow processing speed
How do I fix this?

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Anonymous Fri 26 Jun 2020 07:11:34 No.11838497 Report

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>>11838490
buy more CPUs

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Anonymous Fri 26 Jun 2020 07:13:49 No.11838502 Report

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>>11838497
GPU*

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Anonymous Fri 26 Jun 2020 18:26:26 No.11840203 Report

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>>11838408
It's only a meme to NPCs like you. Real people, like me, can and do think in words.

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Anonymous Fri 26 Jun 2020 18:34:33 No.11840225 Report

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>>11838408
Yes they are a meme, only people who are not creative think in the semantic soup of our times

Sometimes once I've identified a personal weakness I'll repeat mantras for some minutes, such as "you do not drink alcohol, you dont enjoy alchol, you do not drink alcohol you are not a drinker" , "you dont eat sugar, you donr drink sugar, you dont eat sugar, you dont eat ice cream, you dont eat potato chips" or "you ask for help, you are the one who asks for help, you ask others for help", "you are an aggressive lord, you are an aggressive lord" to get over meekness in everything, "you don't watch porn you dont watch porn you dont watch porn you dont enjoy it you dont click on it you dont think about it you dont collect links you dont type in porn sites you dont open incognito browsers you dont watch porn"

This is just in the background while doing other things, it doesn't cost me any mental or cognitive energy, I just have to stay aware.
For me it definitely works, I quit alcohol and sugar and chips completely, I'm less meek, watch less porn. It's about molding the subconscious identity, after a while it sound natural and I don't resist these well-aimed mantras, and decisions about these subjects cost less energy to make when identity is aligned

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Anonymous Fri 26 Jun 2020 18:49:08 No.11840284 Report

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>>11840225
>repeating mantras to forcibly repress your desires and cultivate delusions
questionable use of the mantra technique

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Anonymous Fri 26 Jun 2020 18:51:38 No.11840291 Report

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>>11838408
It's less of a monologue and more of an ideation stream of which a proportion happens to be internal speech.

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Anonymous Fri 26 Jun 2020 19:34:48 No.11840389 Report

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Good news everyone!!

I've developed a test to tell if you hear my voice in your head or not!

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Anonymous Fri 26 Jun 2020 19:37:51 No.11840394 Report

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>>11840389
lel

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Anonymous Fri 26 Jun 2020 19:47:43 No.11840411 Report

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>>11840225
try to avoid using the word NOT
The subconscious has trouble with understanding negative statements. This is why when you tell a child "do not do X thing" (such as don't run or no running in the halls) they immediately do it, because their subconscious doesn't process the negative part of that statement.

Also the subconscious only exists in the present moment and doesn't understand past/future very well. So instead of saying "i need to do X" or "I'm going to do X" try say something like "I am doing X" as if you're doing it in the present moment.

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Anonymous Fri 26 Jun 2020 19:56:51 No.11840432 Report

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>>11840411
I'll go with that
I mean I do that

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Anonymous Fri 26 Jun 2020 20:06:37 No.11840450 Report

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>>11840411
>>11840432
Actually when revisiting the things I actually put on repeat they are already commands "about what im doing in the present", I just didn't translate from swedish to english in a precise manner. That is, "you are not drinking sugar" "you are asking for help"

I did fail with sugar during midsummer though, the social structuring and nostalgia became too great for me to resist the strawberry cream cake, hiccup there. Alcohol, completely free for almost 7 months. Porn, lot less than before, every 4th day on average, I unironically considered if I had the world record for longest masturbation when I was a teen (11 hours). Just looked that up, it actually is the world record, but there are probably others whose feat is undocumented like mine

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Anonymous Fri 26 Jun 2020 20:54:59 No.11840588 Report

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>>11838408
language and thought are one in the same. internal monologue is how i process things.

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Anonymous Sat 27 Jun 2020 03:53:08 No.11841402 Report

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If I try to imagine a conversation between 2 people, particularly if I'm trying to predict what someone might say in response to something I wanted to say later, I can hear that potential conversation, but not just 1 variation, but all possible variations of that possible conversation, all at once, simultaneously. Like hundreds or thousands of voices at once, each one a different possible way the conversation can turn. If things get too tiresome noisy I can turn it off instantly, and turn it back on again instantly after a moment to catch my breath, so to speak. When I was younger I could keep this up for a long time, almost indefinitely, even doing it mid conversation as I'm talking with people.
Does anyone else do anything similar?

I know this sounds widely different from internal monologue, but is this just an extension of internal monolog, or is this just my conscious mind tapping into my intuitive/unconscious or something entirely different? am I a freak?

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Anonymous Sat 27 Jun 2020 04:00:36 No.11841414 Report

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>>11838408
how do I tell if I have an internal monologue?
I hear absolutely nothing
I can imagine words if I want to though
and I can force myself to read stuff in say some actors voice
or hear music

but I do not have a voice of my own when I read normally
instead I think I bring up things I read or heard or learned before and read the sentence as long as it fits in with that
if suddenly the sentence stops making sense I have to imagine up some new concept or structure or idea to make it fit again
sortof like trying ti figure out what the one who wrote the sentence meant

I guess I often wrongly assume people mean something different than they do this way though and might jump to conclusions too fast?
when I was writing this I do not think I was not talking to myself internally, rather I was thinking back to other stuff I have read and adapting it to this situation

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Anonymous Sat 27 Jun 2020 04:02:38 No.11841419 Report

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>>11840225
peak autism

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Anonymous Sat 27 Jun 2020 04:18:32 No.11841450 Report

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>>11838408
>Internal monologues are a meme right?
>I mean do you all seriously say everything you think aloud and clear in your mind?

False dichotomy. Internal monologues are real, but I think most people don't perceive every single thought as a voice in their head. I do think/assume most people have some level of hearing an inner voice, though.

I believe most people don't "literally" hear it. It's somewhat of an analogy, like "in your mind's eye". Your brain is creating an abstract representation of something similar to images or sounds, which you perceive as those things because they use the same systems that are used when you do experience real sights and sounds. There's a lot of networking between your sensory perception and these representation systems, but the representation systems are basically like a computer running a simulation. Some people are better at simulating than others; some prodigious musicians can hear original elaborate and vivid compositions in their head and identify every pitch and pattern and transcribe/play them perfectly, while others get a mild sensation of sounds in their head but in a form that's more fuzzy, rough, and fleeting.

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Anonymous Sat 27 Jun 2020 04:29:44 No.11841470 Report

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>>11841402
Yes. Most people can think faster than they can speak or write. Elon Musk actually does a pretty good of explaining this on his most recent JRE appearance, and how language is not the fastest and most efficient way to compress and share ideas if we can interface with people's thoughts directly.

You're just trying to simulate/predict what some people might be saying/doing/thinking and why, which obviously is highly evolutionarily advantageous. It's not happening literally all at once - there's just extremely short time gaps between each of the possibilities you're considering; way shorter than if you were speaking as fast as you could. Maybe there could be some degree of simultaneity, but basically you're just taking advantage of something closer to the speed of neuronal signals.

My guess is people who are both intelligent and creative do and feel stuff like this all the time. Some artists probably do something similar: they might consider hundreds of nested forking possibilities for what they might draw next, or play next, or whatever, all in an extremely short amount of time. Though the question is the quality/feasibility of all of those possibilities, the ability to choose a good one, and the ability to judge in retrospect whether or not you made a good or bad choice.

Intelligent, creative people with this ability and who average a high percentage of good possibilities, good ability to filter through them, and good self-awareness and ability to quickly and impartially compare their choices against their tastes/knowledge and revert mistakes are probably the basic template for having potential of becoming a significant and admired creator, thinker, strategist, etc. Combine that with great working memory, very fast processing speed, and reliable and easily accessible short-term and long-term memory, and that's probably what high general intelligence is.

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Anonymous Sat 27 Jun 2020 04:36:10 No.11841478 Report

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>>11840411
Men suffer especially from this

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Anonymous Sat 27 Jun 2020 04:40:11 No.11841482 Report

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>>11840284
>repress desires
If I desired heroin I would try my best to stop that. And emotional repression is a very far off topic from this. This is more about habit building and cutting off dead weight. By the way, the direction I take my actions reflect my desires, I usually don't identify with caveman grug hedonism

>cultivate delusions
Nope, more like believing the opposite to be true so much that I can benefit from paying attention to slight anxieties when presenting myself to these things until the anxiety isn't present

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Anonymous Sat 27 Jun 2020 08:25:54 No.11841872 Report

Quoted By: >>11842381 >>11842511

>>11838408
>he doesn't have discussions with himself
>he doesn't think about what he is speaking as he is speaking
>he doesn't comment on his tone of voice or choice of words while communicating, giving continuous feedback to improve the effectiveness of the conversation.
Wow is there even anything going on in that skull of yours?

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Anonymous Sat 27 Jun 2020 13:38:39 No.11842381 Report

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>>11841872
You can do all of that but "closer to the source"

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Anonymous Sat 27 Jun 2020 14:19:17 No.11842511 Report

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>>11841872
>He cannot comprehend complex and abstract ideas on their original and pure form and has to manually translate them into human constructs such as languages in order to make sense of what he's thinking.

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Anonymous Sat 27 Jun 2020 14:35:40 No.11842571 Report

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>>11842511
>He doesn't write and narrate a novel scientific paper to himself as he visualizes physics in 7 dimensional hyperspace
Pleb.

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Anonymous Sat 27 Jun 2020 14:41:11 No.11842587 Report

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>>11838408
What's so mysterious about parallel processes? Most of the time there is music, visual imagery, and an interior monologue of some coherence, going on in my head at the same time, especially when doing something highly cerebellar or kinesthetic like driving, which almost like meditation forces the cerebrum into a dreamlike detachment apt for introspection & planning. Even single sense modes like vision have parallel pathways, such as when typing this while imagining the matter at hand somewhat diagrammatically.

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Anonymous Sat 27 Jun 2020 23:12:32 No.11843992 Report

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>>11842571
>not going for the 11nth manifold

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Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 03:09:52 No.11844685 Report

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>>11838408
>he doesn't talk to himself
what the fuck

>>11840225
>Yes they are a meme, only people who are not creative think in the semantic soup of our times
>
>Sometimes once I've identified a personal weakness I'll repeat mantras for some minutes, such as "you do not drink alcohol, you dont enjoy alchol, you do not drink alcohol you are not a drinker"
aren't you contradicting yourself here?

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Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 03:28:38 No.11844742 Report

Quoted By: >>11845188

>>11838408
Some have internal monologue, some have internal projections, some have mixed, maybe some have nothing.

If you are having an internal monologue, you can't speak at the same time. If you are having an internal projection, you can't see at the same time. If you have mixed,

Brain can only process 1 visual and 1 verbal mode at a time, not 2 visuals or 2 verbals.

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Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 06:43:30 No.11845144 Report

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>>11838408
How do you fucking read? Do you just say it aloud?

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Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 06:46:57 No.11845153 Report

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>>11844685
What I meant was that is the only time I use a voice and it is a conscious process

Otherwise I never have a voice. I can use it if I want to, but I prefer not to. And I could develop it to be automatic if I wanted to, but I choose not to. If I spend a few days being very social, I can hear a background chatter of my and others voices but that's rare and I choose to let go of any voices rather than strengthen them. Presence is preferred, because I used to be delusional. I am a bit of a buddhist, which could be related, I wouldn't say I silence the thoughts I have but I choose not to think and paradoxically that raises my output. I don't want to be attached to any false ideals, and basically any thoughts I have lead me astray. If I grab a thought out of thin air, and put it into a system, it's always from a root of vanity. That's my favorite motto, all is vanity.
First hand experience, such as having theorems or code in front of me or a talking person or some task, gets interpreted by the mind automatically anyway. Never thinking supercharges emotional and cognitive energy, so life gets good. I used to have zero control and awareness, so that's why I've jumped to the other extreme. I definitely believe that there's multiple consciousnesses in a single brain, and mine just happens to be the one in direct contact with the world. I know this because another consciousness wanted me dead before, and would use our exceptional visuospatial ability to replay physics simulations of my complete destruction and death over and over in too creative ways.

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Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 06:49:47 No.11845159 Report

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>>11838408
thoughts have often a higher amount of information than language, that is a synthesis of thought. Probably also more noise though.

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Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 06:52:36 No.11845164 Report

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>>11841414
based semiconductor reference on his shirt

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Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 07:08:48 No.11845188 Report

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>>11844742
Well that's bullshit, considering you have two brain halfs

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Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 08:36:30 No.11845355 Report

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>>11838413
Yes you are.

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Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 09:13:54 No.11845413 Report

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>>11840389
Classic

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Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 09:17:14 No.11845418 Report

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I only do external monologue, loudly talking to myself. My neighbors already complained about all the offensive things I said.

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Anonymous Sun 28 Jun 2020 10:04:00 No.11845470 Report

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>>11840284
>forcibly repress your desires
my true conscious desire is the one to not drink alcol. unfortunately my body craves it out of habit so I have to fight it until it is subdued to my conscious will

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