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Anonymous Fri 12 Jun 08:57:11 2020 No.11789034 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>11789107 >>11789112 >>11790529 >>11790578 >>11791804

Would modafinil be a great help to people who struggle to socialise and shut down around other people?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 12 Jun 2020 09:34:16 No.11789107 Report

Quoted By: >>11789118

>>11789034
not really
modafinil just makes you feel alert and awake just like you had a great night of restful sleep even when you didnt

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 12 Jun 2020 09:36:27 No.11789112 Report

Quoted By: >>11789118

>>11789034
they already make a thing for that, it's called cocaine

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 12 Jun 2020 09:40:15 No.11789118 Report

Quoted By: >>11789138 >>11790517

>>11789107
So it wouldn't make you entertaining around a girl, help you out really well in one off first impression situations like tinder dates where you have a tiny window in which to connect with someone and learn as much about them as possible from every subtle cue, inflection, tone of voice, choice of words and decision they make?

fix a socially maladjusted who has zero charisma and whose brain operates on 0.2x speed in any social interaction compared to the average
>>11789112
Is there a more healthier (both in availability, impurities and effects) option? Wouldn't cocaine just amplify the negative and boring traits in your personality without giving you awareness in how you're connecting with the other person?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 12 Jun 2020 09:53:51 No.11789138 Report

Quoted By: >>11789144

>>11789118
If those are your issues they won't be fixed by medication. You need to build up self confidence by succeeding in something and having a healthy and strong body.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 12 Jun 2020 09:57:24 No.11789144 Report

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>>11789138
>You need to build up self confidence by succeeding in something and having a healthy and strong body.
What if you have extremely strong anxiety around others and even traumatic responses to stimuli which is common in social interaction which would not affect normal people and causes you to shut down and not effectively put into practice what you learn from your experiences?
Is microdosing MDMA worth it say 10mg every 4 weeks if you have these issues and you want to fully appreciate and amplify the small amounts of good in life?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 12 Jun 2020 11:38:21 No.11789311 Report

Quoted By: >>11789327 >>11789338 >>11790479

>>11789144
Trying to fix lifestyle issues with Drugs is RETARDED.

>What if you have extremely strong anxiety around others and even traumatic responses to stimuli which is common in social interaction which would not affect normal people and causes you to shut down and not effectively put into practice what you learn from your experiences?
Then you NEED TO GET OVER THAT ANXIETY by talking to people despite your fears.
There is no other way. Drugs won't fix your lifestyle issues.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 12 Jun 2020 11:46:30 No.11789327 Report

Quoted By: >>11789332 >>11790164

>>11789311
What if you have trauma, wouldn't microdosing MDMA help if you get trauma responses at work and take small amounts of MDMA with tinder dates on your off days?
How else do you cope with being a socially crippled human who has trouble with eye contact and was likely bullied growing up?
Thinking positively and trying to influence your personality through conscious engagement with other people only does so much, its like trying to control the channel of a river with a bucket when you have these responses firing off no matter how much professional help you get. It just reinforces the negative pathways if you instinctively feel like this when you're around other people

I just don't know whats possible mentally when you to have a pounding heartrate, are paralysed by fear, are in fight/flight mode for hours a day and replay traumatic memories from that day in your head because of things which happened to you over a prolonged period of time during your developing years and react in the same way even when you're safe again that day

Like how can you choose how you engage with people as well as normal people do unless you were on drugs? Specifically the dulled positive emotion, the massively increased negative emotion, the constant level of anxiety etc

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 12 Jun 2020 11:54:18 No.11789332 Report

Quoted By: >>11789349

>>11789327
>What if you have trauma, wouldn't microdosing MDMA help if you get trauma responses at work and take small amounts of MDMA with tinder dates on your off days?
Even if it removes your inhibitions temporarily THIS WILL NOT SOLVE YOUR PROBLEM.

>How else do you cope with being a socially crippled human who has trouble with eye contact and was likely bullied growing up?
TALK TO PEOPLE. GET OVER YOUR ANXIETY.

>Like how can you choose how you engage with people as well as normal people do unless you were on drugs?
By PRACTICE.

> the constant level of anxiety etc
Anxiety is a result of unfamiliarity. You are afraid because you do not know what to do, if you take drugs your brain stops working properly and you loose your inhibitions for a time.
The solution to your problem is to REMOVE THOSE INHIBITIONS.

Seriously. I am a total mess too, but the only way it will ever get better is if you actually talk to people.
DO NOT TRY TO SOLVE YOUR LIFESTYLE ISSUES WITH DRUGS.

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Anonymous Fri 12 Jun 2020 11:58:30 No.11789338 Report

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>>11789311
the only legit answer.

The other approach ruined my degree and maybe my life as a whole. Listen to this anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 12 Jun 2020 12:08:20 No.11789349 Report

Quoted By: >>11789357

>>11789332
>Seriously. I am a total mess too, but the only way it will ever get better is if you actually talk to people.
You have traumatic responses around other people where your peripheral awareness decreases due to high negative emotion, constant fight/flight mode, constant pounding heart rate, inability to move yourself properly or organise your speech due to prolonged psychological abuse during your developing years which traumatized you and caused you to have selective memory and attention, distorted reality, severely affected all of the equipment you use to connect with others especially empathy and awareness and gave you these permanently strong reactions to stimuli day to day normal people feel is insignificant

Exposure therapy only works if there is a lack of disconfirming evidence, with trauma the disconfirming evidence is magnified to a massive proportion in your brain and people will always notice the anxiety, fear and weakness you have because of this sort of trauma and you will feel vulnerable and unable to focus on connecting with others and consciously learning from your experiences with others because the very things you use to learn will be shutting down in the experiences you're supposed to improve yourself from

I would've found the same stimuli extremely manageable and would've had the tools to learn proper social interaction as I grew to be an adult if I had only spoken to 1 person my entire life and was homeschooled, my brain would've developed without these useless responses and I would have found it difficult sure initially but I would've been able to learn effectively even though adults being maturer overall are still susceptible to behavioural problems (which I would've handled within healthy response levels)

I understand that this is the only way forward but its hard to focus on/pursue the small amounts of good when there is an overwhelming amount of bad, it makes you want to lower your life experience because its better that way

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Anonymous Fri 12 Jun 2020 12:18:50 No.11789357 Report

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>>11789349
If you don't want to solve your problems you can continue to whine on 4chan.
Rationalizing why engaging with your fears is impossible and useless is a perfectly natural reaction, but it WILL NOT FIX THE PROBLEM.

There is no magic drug that will make make your anxiety go away. The problem is with YOU and only YOU can fix them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 12 Jun 2020 15:37:51 No.11789867 Report

Quoted By: >>11789964

If you need to practice talking, go to a store and hold a small conversation with an employee. Even if you think you would look retarded, they dont care. Its unlikely you will see them ever again. Just try.

Consider volunteering, or even going to church (even if you are not religious). It can be great opportunity socialize.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 12 Jun 2020 16:02:47 No.11789964 Report

Quoted By: >>11790165

>>11789867
What if your memory decreases, your awareness dramatically decreases, your mind goes blank and you go into fight/flight mode and your brain thinks very slowly and responds very slowly and you can't think of anything and organise your speech and relax your tone of voice and body language because your heart is pounding
So you have to brute force it through exposure?

Wouldn't it be a good idea then to live outside for 12 hours a day on the streets of a city and just go around forcing yourself to harass people (this will lower aversion to rejection and strengthen your sense of self) and you'd start to only feel anxious when people physically attack you or chase you? I think this would work very well, the difference in stimuli would cause your mind to get a far more elevated anxiety level on these specific interactions not just the hourly verbal rejections, so long as you were constantly being as loud as possible and as quick as possible to respond and learn it could probably work to fix you slightly if you did it in a large city
I think this is called "flooding", I don't think calm middle aged (for the most part)church goers and employees who are paid to be nice is going to be enough to fix you if you're still anxious in these situations and with these issues, you need to have a higher baseline to create growth, the baseline is shouting/asserting yourself onto others verbally in public and occasionally making them laugh but for the most part being insulted and harassed back verbally, the spikes of anxiety will only be felt when there is real danger (physical)

In flooding for people with social anxiety this would be you being amped up and in peoples faces, while playing characters and making the other person feel as uncomfortable as possible i.e shouting repetitive things in an accent in imitation of a stereotype or suddenly changing how you're treating a person verbally or making your body language like that of an animal

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Anonymous Fri 12 Jun 2020 17:01:47 No.11790164 Report

Quoted By: >>11790192

>>11789327
Ignore the seething straightedge. MDMA actually can help you, and I'm pretty sure that's a mainstream psychiatric opinion at this point. But not microdosing, that's retarded and possibly dangerous. Take a normal dose (about 130mg if it's pure) and go interact with people, putting yourself in a situation where you would normally be anxious. You can learn on a subconscious level that people don't hate you etc and the revelation sticks around afterwards. Don't use it more than once every 6 weeks, preferably longer. And as the seething anon said, you will need to practice socializing while not on drugs. But it might help you get started.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 12 Jun 2020 17:02:02 No.11790165 Report

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>>11789964
Are you fucking retarded?
Of you want to get better get off of 4chan and join literally any group that sounds reasonable interesting to you.

>Wouldn't it be a good idea then to live outside for 12 hours a day on the streets of a city
No that is fucking retarded.

I get that you are desperate for a way you don't have to face your fears, but there isn't one.

>I don't think calm middle aged (for the most part)church goers and employees who are paid to be nice is going to be enough to fix you if you're still anxious in these situations
Of course it fucking is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 12 Jun 2020 17:08:02 No.11790192 Report

Quoted By: >>11790429

>>11790164
>Ignore the seething straightedge
>And as the seething anon said, you will need to practice socializing
That's not how this works.

If you take drugs outside of a medical necessity you are just fucking retarded.
And if you take drugs in an attempt to fix what is clearly a life style problem it will not work.

>You can learn on a subconscious level that people don't hate you
If a druggie talks to me I actually do hate him.
"DOOD man, like the universe it isn't real and shiiet".

If you want to take drugs to have fun I don't give a shit, if they fuck up your life you get what you deserve and if you manage to stay sane and keep it together, good for you. BUT THEY WILL NOT FIX YOUR LIFE.
There is no drug that will make girls like you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 12 Jun 2020 17:57:43 No.11790429 Report

Quoted By: >>11790504 >>11790556

>>11790192
>BUT THEY WILL NOT FIX YOUR LIFE.
But sometimes they push you in the right direction. You know that MDMA therapy is now recognized as a breakthrough treatment for PTSD, right? If you want to bring up the technicality of "medical necessity", ("anon doesn't have PTSD, he has some other issue!") a few years ago, it was not officially recognized as medically useful in any capacity. Yet its psychological healing potential was exactly the same and well known to many dumb druggies, some with PTSD, some with other issues, who found lasting benefits from appropriate use.

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Anonymous Fri 12 Jun 2020 18:11:44 No.11790479 Report

Quoted By: >>11790504 >>11790556

>>11789311
i fixed mine with drugs

after i did MDMA a couple of times i changed - i learned how to be more open, to look people in the eyes, to better detect vibes and how to jive with them you dig
I dont even use the drugs anymore. There is no need - i can try and simulate the state im in while on mdma - and i do it everytime when i talk with people - the secret to charisma is to get everyone to at least have an ok opinion about you - and boy that takes skill pateince and time - but if you know how to talk good - something you can learn by practice but a hit of mdma will turn you into a casanova quicker - then you are set for both friends and sex !
I was a social shut in before - shy and afraid of public speeches - now i want to even try standup in my shitty county - i give zero shits - thats how much ive grown as a person - and drugs certainly sped up that process
But still drugs alone cannot help - you need to train youreslf like a soldier as well - always leave your comfort zones

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 12 Jun 2020 18:19:41 No.11790504 Report

Quoted By: >>11790515 >>11790556

>>11790429
>>11790479
also i might add - i went to a psych for a couple of times - had clinical deprresion, tried suicide, spent a moth in a bed just crying - my stomach hurt from all the crying

Ive spent a year of my life a broken mess - i also had a nervous breakdown (i wanted to stab my abusive father with a knife and run away from home) - but when i tried mushrooms man - i laughed from the heart with my mates - i havent laughed that heart since childhood
And i had some visions of the multiverse and hippy shit like that - i was profoundly changed
My psych gave me an anti depressive, sleeping medicine and something to get me calm - i lost all apetite from that medicine - threw it all away after a month
The trip on mushrooms though - my first - after that i started researching meditation because i got the idea while on mushrooms - i started meditaton and i had a lucid dream inside my regular nighmare (that involves my abusive step father) - after that i never had that nightmare again, also never again i had those dreams where you just die or your face melts - all the dreams that would leave me crying and woke and sweaty in the middle of the knight
Mushrooms helped me see first of all -
How skewed my perception is while im sober and how you can actually see things from a different angle - those realisations alone and meditation helped me to reckognize the thought patterns that usually lead to me getting fucking ruined by my own thoughts
Many years later - ive been free from depression and i feel really good

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Anonymous Fri 12 Jun 2020 18:22:00 No.11790515 Report

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>>11790504
basically - drugs gave me the final push i needed - to overcome depression
It wasnt all on drugs i did a lot of work
But i can bet you 100 bucks - if i dindnt try mushrooms that day - i would probably end up abusing hard drugs because i was off the meds by choice and still feeling like shit all the time

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Anonymous Fri 12 Jun 2020 18:22:53 No.11790517 Report

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>>11789118
watching too many fantasy movies.
Modafinil is not NZT.
people like to call it the "real life" NZT but it's nothing like NZT, not in mechanism of action, strength, or effectiveness

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 12 Jun 2020 18:25:59 No.11790529 Report

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>>11789034
>will a wakefulness pill help my social anxiety
what kind of retarded question is this
if you want to treat anxiety with drugs you take anxiety meds, not sleep disorder meds

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Anonymous Fri 12 Jun 2020 18:35:01 No.11790556 Report

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>>11790429
>But sometimes they push you in the right direction. You know that MDMA therapy is now recognized as a breakthrough treatment for PTSD, right?
I am not arguing that you should never take medication.
If you have a serious mental problem where psychoactive medication is the only solution then you should do it.

I am mostly arguing against trying to fix your life by chugging the right pills. Tired? Awake pills. Can't sleep? Tired pills. Can't socialize? Pills to be social. Bored? Pills to entertain you.
That is a fucking awful idea.

If using MDMA as a one off or for a few times helps you get over your anxiety, great, maybe that works. But you need to address the underlying issue, which is that you need to be around people to build up your social skills.
Drugs won't take that away from you, there is exactly one way.

>>11790479
>>11790504
Great that you are feeling better. I have never done MDMA and I probably never will, maybe it can actually can help you get over your social anxiety.
But my greater point is that the issue of anon is his lifestyle if you want to get better at talking to people *you need to actually talk to people*. And there is absolutely no way around that and no pill you swallow will change that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 12 Jun 2020 18:43:09 No.11790578 Report

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>>11789034
Dude just jerk off

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 12 Jun 2020 18:59:50 No.11790623 Report

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No, it will just make you unable to fall asleep. It doesn’t have any euphoric or social effects. You’ll be the same person you are now. A low dose of benzos would help you get out of your shell temporarily, but therapy and life experience is the way to get over the hump. Fake it until you make it.

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Anonymous Sat 13 Jun 2020 01:51:29 No.11791804 Report

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>>11789034
Modafinil literally made me lose the sensation of sleepiness for a few weeks after I experienced some stress. Don't do it

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