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Anonymous Fri 05 Jun 18:58:37 2020 No.11765360 View Reply Original Report

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Who would actually accomplish the most, both in education and professional life?

The 120 IQ ADD Guy Or the 92 IQ Dopamine Reward Guy?

The 120 IQ ADD
>No motivation
>Burned out dopamine system
>ADD and ADHD
>Brain fog
>Struggles to even concentrate when gaming
>120 IQ

92 IQ Dopamine Reward Guy?
>Can basically use his dopamine at will
>Tons of motivation
>Good at large sessions of mental stuff (Homework, etc)
>Mental clarity
>Even the smallest things give him dopamine rewards

Who would get the most succes?

I'm sure if you had a app where you could change what gives you dopamine rewards you could basically become the most succusful person in your vicinity no matter your intelligence.

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Anonymous Fri 05 Jun 2020 19:19:35 No.11765392 Report

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>>11765360
Why is everyone obsessed with IQ? If you have an IQ of 120 but are a fucking barista at Starbucks or a NEET then it doesn’t really matter how smart you are, cause you’re still just a loser but now you’re even more pretentious.

More important than IQ is just plain being able to work a good job or max your skills or education so you can make more money.

Would your rather have an IQ of 95 (which is still pretty much average) and make $100,000 a year or an IQ of 120 and make $45,000 a year?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Jun 2020 19:20:44 No.11765397 Report

Quoted By: >>11765487

>>11765360
>I'm sure if you had a app where you could change what gives you dopamine rewards you could basically become the most succusful person in your vicinity no matter your intelligence.
Thats actually a very interesting idea, anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Jun 2020 19:58:35 No.11765487 Report

Quoted By: >>11766112

>>11765397
And sadly impossible. But imagine seriously.

Let's say you go home after you just brought the new dopamine app. Place a small thing on your head and connect the app.

Now the app comes with predifined reward systems.

Like reading, dishwashing, cleaning, manual labour etc.

Setting it to reading and mixing with Sci-Fi would boost your interest to read that even more.

Now let's say the thing isn't really that common, the app then have the ability to record rewards. That means etc if you, let's just say enjoy taking pullups and wants there to be many rewards for every 5 pull up done, then after 5 pull ups, click a buttom named something like "Reward Now" and then the system learns to reward you.

After you have made great configurations and automated the system suddenly when you walk home you really really need to wash your dishes, so bad that if there aren't any to wash you will just put them in thrash just to clean them again.

Why? Because the automated timer said from 15:30 to 15:45 it should automatically reward dishwashing.

As a dumb person with probably the worst dopamine system out here I really hope we can invent something like this someday.

Sure uploading how to play a piano might be awesome but rewarding piano playing would be much better.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Jun 2020 20:33:34 No.11765556 Report

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>>11765360
Probably the 120 IQ ADD guy. Look up Peter's Principle, it's basically the idea that people in a hierarchical system will progress upwards in a company until they reach a position they are too incompetent to handle. The hard working 92 IQ guy will hit his max competency far sooner in his career, but will ultimately plateau when the job responsibilities become too complex to manage or the higher level positions require more proficient competency in multiple domains. Though the ADD guy may still struggle with employment if they often disrupt company hierarchy by finding newer more efficient manners of operating, that ignore traditional procedures established by the higher ups.

Just to add, ADD and ADHD do not mean "no motivation". Their executive functioning is not working properly and their catecholomine "attention" molecules (dopamine, adrenaline, norepinephrine) are in shorter supply to them. This can be caused by genetics controlling how much faster they are being transported between neurons than in a normal brain, if they are naturally synthesizing them in lesser quantities, and/or their neurons have smaller synaptic vesicles to store the molecules. ADD and ADHD too broadly describe people with attention problems, especially since we now have genetic research to better recognize multiple overlapping genetic factors contributing to the conditions.

A person with Attention Deficit Disorder can easily become hyper-focused on a task, even forgetting to eat or sleep, if these chemicals are triggered by numerous shorter length tasks. The hypothetical person who OP suggests can't even focus on gaming might possess problems beyond their ADD diagnosis. That behavior sounds more typical of someone with depression, which does occur more frequently in people with a higher IQ. High IQ plus ADD could theoretically result in higher odds of early career burnout if one falls into depression

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Jun 2020 20:45:42 No.11765588 Report

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>dude dopamine = reward every time lmao
do us a favor and listen to less JRE you midwit

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Jun 2020 20:53:37 No.11765603 Report

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>>11765360
120 IQ isn't that much smarter than 92 IQ. About 1 in 10 people beat a 120 IQ, it's nothing special. Motivation easily trumps that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Jun 2020 20:58:37 No.11765623 Report

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>>11765360
Dopamine reward guy, if he gets a good career then the 120 IQ ADD guy won't be able to catch up because the dopamine reward guy feels accomplished for doing his job and will therefore adapt toward becoming even better at it, until he eventually plateaus at roughly the same spot that the 120 IQ ADD guy eventually will (of course, the 120 IQ ADD guy won't get as much total profit since it will take him longer to get there due to his dopamine issues, although his already existing IQ is a neat thing to have, it won't make him catch up as fast as the 92 IQ guy will)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Jun 2020 00:20:59 No.11766112 Report

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>>11765487
>hack the app and send a bunch of people to an orgasmic pleasure-death

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Jun 2020 00:26:50 No.11766123 Report

Quoted By: >>11767354

>>11765392
>Why is everyone obsessed with IQ?
This is /sci/ in a nutshell. Functionally useless board.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Jun 2020 09:45:59 No.11767354 Report

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>>11766123
My question is just that maybe IQ isn't the most importent thing.

Being a unmotivated guy can be wrecking.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Jun 2020 11:10:03 No.11767520 Report

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>>11765360
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