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Anonymous Fri 05 Jun 10:02:45 2020 No.11764272 View Reply Original Report

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If you close your eyes and meditate, is it possible to break your brain by using your imagination to an extreme degree? I developed something I call forced-dreaming that allows me to enter a dream like state in my imagination from meditation, and I sometimes worry if what I'm doing is dangerous, even though my physical state is otherwise calm? Is it possible to break my sense of reality through some amount of continued imaginative shapings of my mind?

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Anonymous Fri 05 Jun 2020 10:16:23 No.11764304 Report

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It's called Lucid Dreaming

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Anonymous Fri 05 Jun 2020 10:20:49 No.11764312 Report

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>>11764272
Apparently meditation induced psychosis is a thing in some rare cases. But if you can control this altered state of cosciousness, exit it at will, and it doesn't distort your perception of reality other than on sensory level it doesn't sound that dangerous

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Anonymous Fri 05 Jun 2020 10:30:23 No.11764326 Report

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>>11764272
Go into your state, find a river, pick up a pebble that draws you to it. Hold it in your hand and take it back with you. Until you do something like that, I'd say you're pretty much safe.

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Anonymous Fri 05 Jun 2020 11:13:12 No.11764364 Report

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I have the same thing, I meditate so deeply that I get into this dream like state. Around 1 minute after the meditation I can only remember emotions and vague colors. Around 2-5 minutes I forget what I've experienced and go on with my day.

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Anonymous Fri 05 Jun 2020 12:47:32 No.11764517 Report

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>>11764272
How can you be in such a state, I want to start meditating and to become like this. How you manage to do it?

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Anonymous Fri 05 Jun 2020 12:56:12 No.11764534 Report

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>>11764272
So you enter a trance and imagine from there? That's pretty cool. Just sitting and imagining is totally a form of meditation

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Anonymous Fri 05 Jun 2020 20:15:08 No.11765513 Report

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>>11764517
OP here. It's hard to explain, and I imagine it might be specific to each person. You might even just consider it a form of lucid dreaming, but I come at from a place of meditation. I keep my mind focused on my breath as I try and enter a deep meditative/sleeping state. By keeping my mind focused on my breath though I can keep some part of me conscious as I slip away. Before too long my brain starts generating very strange audio/visual hallucinations. Essentially, what I've learned to do is recognize this one specific consistent hallucination I've encountered in the past where I begin hallucinating a strange almost digital sound that is also like mapped visually somehow to what can only be described as a cardioid. Once I begin seeing/hearing this specific hallucination, I've conditioned myself to somewhat trigger my consciousness to re-awaken, and I maintain consciousness as I slip deeper and deeper into my hallucinations. At some point in this journey, the line between imagination and dream gets blurred, and I enter some very strange hyper detailed world of imagination.

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Anonymous Fri 05 Jun 2020 20:26:02 No.11765539 Report

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It's probably the prime of health. Congrats for entering that state, as long as your sense of touch works properly you're probably safe.

Last year, this summer, I managed to enter into some sort of dream-like state where I no longer felt fear at the very least. Ironically, my senses were sharper in that state and I stopped feeling fear.

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Anonymous Fri 05 Jun 2020 21:39:08 No.11765748 Report

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>>11764272
Yeah this sounds like self-administered schizophrenia. This thread is probably your subconscious telling you to slow down on pushing your head into imaginationland.

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Anonymous Fri 05 Jun 2020 21:59:05 No.11765784 Report

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>>11765513
that's neat. does the meditation consist of doing the same thing you do when you try to fall asleep, but keeping some part of your mind awake?

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Anonymous Fri 05 Jun 2020 22:06:03 No.11765799 Report

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>I developed something I call forced-dreaming that allows me to enter a dream like state in my imagination from meditation
Does it feel kind of like being asleep but you can still hear outside sounds and feel outside sensations, even though they seem to be remote or dull? It sounds like you're cultivating subtle dullness, it's not dangerous but it's a dead end in meditation practice. There are known cases of people going psychotic because of meditation although it's temporary and not generally something you should be worried about, it usually happens to people who practice kundalini stuff or fire kasinas. Normally it only lasts a short while though. If you practice breathing or mantra meditation you should be ok.

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Anonymous Sat 06 Jun 2020 03:03:21 No.11766544 Report

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>>11764272
Recursively imagine yourself imagining stuff. You will get a headache pretty quickly. If, however, your brain has been trained to collapse the recursions into only ever having one active stack frame, then try to activate all of the recursion levels at once to give yourself a headache. This exercise takes about 15 minutes and may result in the worst pain of your life.

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Anonymous Sat 06 Jun 2020 03:12:50 No.11766575 Report

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>>11766544
If that isn't enough, try copying yourself. Maybe imagine yourself looking into a mirror, and start talking. Then run the recursor. Later, map the recursed process onto your mirror image. This may result in no headaches but may trigger existential horror and dread that may go away with fifteen hours of exercise.

Pic related is a diversification maze you can put your other self into before bringing it to the mirror. Put yourself into a state just before sleep, and start by thinking you are in an isekai works with palm trees and wood shacks and cute girls in a foggy and shadowy world of illusions. Once the copy-to-be has sufficiently diverged from its parent, copy. Do not attempt to have sex with your copy's waifu in front of it. Do not attempt to imagine yourself as your copy. Go ahead and make nested copies if you want, though.

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Anonymous Sat 06 Jun 2020 04:53:35 No.11766770 Report

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>>11765513
bro are you sure you're not just half asleep like you do sometimes after waking up in the morning and then going back to the border of sleep? that tends to be where i have more awareness and control of dreams. meditative states do not involve sleeping, they actually go past drowsiness and are very energising. this is something else, still interesting though.

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Anonymous Sat 06 Jun 2020 05:11:16 No.11766802 Report

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>>11766544
>>11766575
nah i dont wanna trigger my latent schizophrenia

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Anonymous Sat 06 Jun 2020 05:23:15 No.11766835 Report

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It's called Hypnogogia and it is the state of consciousness right before you fall asleep. Since you are meditating and not trying to sleep, you can prolong that experience. There are plenty of scientific papers you can read about it or just watch YouTube videos. It's a very good sign of you discipline in meditation! Keep tapping into that dream creativity and use it for good!

Hypnogogic states can possibly transition into sleep paralysis. You might get intense vibrations and a rushing sound in your ears when that happens. I recommend googling your experience to hear others describe it as well. Astral projection is next but don't worry about that if you're not ready.

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Anonymous Sat 06 Jun 2020 05:25:23 No.11766836 Report

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>>11764272
I don't like it. hard to control. rather just relax and let the subconscious figure it out

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Anonymous Sat 06 Jun 2020 05:38:55 No.11766858 Report

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How do you people meditate this hard? When I meditate I can't get anything to happen.
>well thats not the point
shut up, you know what i fucking mean. Meditation to "quiet thoughts" or whatever is redundant in my personal case because I already have control over thoughts except in extremely stressful situations. But as far as meditation goes for altered states of conciousness or improved imagination doesn't work for me. It's bullshit.

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Anonymous Sat 06 Jun 2020 05:49:28 No.11766885 Report

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>>11764272
Meditation isn't imagining shit with eyes closed. There are very specific techniques associated with various meditation. What you call "meditation" most likely is talking about "mindfulness meditation." That's not imagining shit. Its basically a exercise in paying attention to your own breathing.

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Anonymous Sat 06 Jun 2020 19:57:45 No.11768574 Report

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What that is is called a wonderland (or a paracosm). Be careful.

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Anonymous Sat 06 Jun 2020 23:28:44 No.11769144 Report

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>>11766885
You are the only sane man.

>>11766802
The voices want to awaken. Burn them with fire.

>>11768574
Can I get lost in the paracosm?

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Anonymous Sat 06 Jun 2020 23:48:09 No.11769188 Report

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>>11769144
No, it’s just an imaginary landscape. Kinda like a mind palace, but you’re trying to immerse yourself in it. You can get out of it whenever you want, just as you open and close your eyes.

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Anonymous Sat 06 Jun 2020 23:58:06 No.11769208 Report

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>can't meditate because of mental illnesses and stress
life is hell bros

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Anonymous Sun 07 Jun 2020 02:19:44 No.11769528 Report

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>>11766858
>It's bullshit
The idea is to stop chasing conditioned things and stop reconditioning yourself. Supposedly this even extends to your mental faculties, like space and time, all the way to complete unbinding to the extent that 'you' exist yet nothing 'you' is 'becoming', no longer contingent on your body even. Deathless and painless yet still existing physically and able to want and will. It's essentially hedonistic in that it prioritises elimination of any sort of pain from which comes uncontingent bliss.

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Anonymous Sun 07 Jun 2020 03:34:52 No.11769689 Report

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Anonymous Sun 07 Jun 2020 03:36:18 No.11769691 Report

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>>11769528
So meditation turns you into an npc?

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Anonymous Sun 07 Jun 2020 03:51:26 No.11769705 Report

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>>11764326 back to /x/

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Anonymous Sun 07 Jun 2020 03:52:28 No.11769707 Report

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>>11769705
not him but i think it was supposed to be a joke

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Anonymous Sun 07 Jun 2020 18:34:40 No.11771317 Report

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>>11764272
I don't think you can damage your mind doing something like that, I have never looked up meditation techniques before but I have something I came up with a decade ago that still works for me.
My method to go into a lucid dream-like state starts with being exhausted, after a long day or working out before heading to bed usually works.
Then take a shower, lay on my bed close my eyes and begin picturing geometric figures of bright colors morphing into different shapes.
After a while of changing the shapes and colors of the figures inside my mind I start creating landscapes/people/locations with said figures and from there I'm pretty much already asleep and controlling my dreams.

I can either consciously make the figures make the dream I want or let them do their thing, watch them start creating on their own volition and have a random dream where I can still change stuff If I don't like it.

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Anonymous Mon 08 Jun 2020 03:29:40 No.11772981 Report

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>>11764272
This just sounds like WILD. Do you experience sleep paralysis during this?

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