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Friendly reminder Kirchoff's law is invalid

Anonymous Fri 05 Jun 01:22:14 2020 No.11763303 View Reply Original Report

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And that's a very, very, very big deal.

To learn about Kirchoff's law and exactly why it's invalid, see these lectures:

> What is Kirchoff's Law? Blackbody and Cavity Radiation!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DodFojdkSIA

> Is Kirchhoff's Law True? The Experiment!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQnTPRDT03U

> Kirchhoff's Law - The Second Experiment!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LE7fZ565DWc

> Kirchhoff's Law, Max Planck, and the Carbon Particle!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-poyIY7pfQ

> Kirchhoff's Law vs the 2nd Law: The "Boxes Side-by-Side Experiment"!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsQXu5qLkgg

> Kirchhoff's Law vs the 0th, 1st, and 2nd Laws: The "Box in a Box" Experiment!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cS1mfZ2XYY

> Linking Planck's Equation with the Physical World!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_w8PJZvnLGI

> The Big Bang, Photons, & The Microwave Background!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHOo3elX5-c

> History of Kirchhoff's Law - Presentation at German Physical Society (Munich)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83JU6enMBS0

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Anonymous Fri 05 Jun 2020 01:43:52 No.11763394 Report

Quoted By: >>11763834

If KVL is valid explain this libtard
2 + 2 + 5 + 5 != 0

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Jun 2020 01:45:38 No.11763401 Report

Quoted By: >>11768056

>>11763303
>Cavity Radiation
is that what you get after you take huge smelly shit and don't wipe afterwards

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Jun 2020 04:39:34 No.11763834 Report

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>>11763394
Wrong law.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Jun 2020 05:17:20 No.11763902 Report

Quoted By: >>11764123 >>11765666

>>11763303
How does this affect his current and voltage laws? who cares about his quantum shit lmao

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Jun 2020 06:23:01 No.11764030 Report

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>>11763303
>eu garbage
into the trash it goes

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Jun 2020 07:38:13 No.11764116 Report

Quoted By: >>11764123

>>11763303
For 99% of things it matters and more importantly what EE deal with. Edge cases fuck with it definitely with really high frequencies and other shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Jun 2020 07:43:46 No.11764123 Report

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>>11764116
>>11763902
wrong law

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Anonymous Fri 05 Jun 2020 07:47:36 No.11764124 Report

Quoted By: >>11768872

this thread is copypasta bait to trick people into explaining KVL and KCL when in fact OP is being a massive faggot and talking about some thermo concept that no one uses.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Jun 2020 07:48:08 No.11764127 Report

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>>11763303
Who cares?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Jun 2020 20:58:27 No.11765622 Report

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>>11763303
caffeine is bad

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Jun 2020 21:13:50 No.11765666 Report

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>>11763902
exactly the only thing that matters is his electrical ones not the dumb ass cavity radiation or whatever airport security agents look for with their groping

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Jun 2020 21:29:12 No.11765717 Report

Quoted By: >>11768209 >>11773085 >>11773350 >>11773497

Not gonna get into this and there is no way i'm gonna check the videos OP has linked but electroBOOM made some videos recently against the whole "KVL is invalid" thing, you can go check them out if you want to.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Jun 2020 07:37:44 No.11767128 Report

Quoted By: >>11768209

>>11763303
Kirchoff is just assuming two things:
1. Conservation of charge
2. Conservation of energy

If you can show why any of these don't hold, you'll will the Nobel prize.

>b-but much utube videos!
Lmao I had a good laugh watching your schizo shit, faggot. Now where's that BigMac I ordered?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Jun 2020 07:55:30 No.11767158 Report

Quoted By: >>11767175

>>11763303
>As a result, Max Planck’s long advocated universality [8, §164] relative to time, length, mass, and temperature does not exist. The concept is absolutely dependent of the fact that Kirchhoff’s Law is valid and this is simply not the case. Physics thereby loses the universal significance of Planck’s constant and Boltzmann’s constant as well [17].

LMAO at that "paper" in the first experiment. And yeah that law might be false cause of the lack of understanding about atoms. The failures in laws actually inspired quantum physics in the first place.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Jun 2020 08:01:26 No.11767175 Report

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>>11767158

>In the last years of the 19th century, Max Planck was investigating the problem of black-body radiation first posed by Kirchhoff some 40 years earlier. Every physical body spontaneously and continuously emits electromagnetic radiation. There was no expression or explanation for the overall shape of the observed emission spectrum.
>...With this new condition, Planck had imposed the quantization of the energy of the oscillators, "a purely formal assumption … actually I did not think much about it…" in his own words,[12] but one that would revolutionize physics.
>The black-body problem was revisited in 1905, when Rayleigh and Jeans (on the one hand) and Einstein (on the other hand) independently proved that classical electromagnetism could never account for the observed spectrum. These proofs are commonly known as the "ultraviolet catastrophe", a name coined by Paul Ehrenfest in 1911. They contributed greatly (along with Einstein's work on the photoelectric effect) in convincing physicists that Planck's postulate of quantized energy levels was more than a mere mathematical formalism. The first Solvay Conference in 1911 was devoted to "the theory of radiation and quanta".[14]

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Anonymous Sat 06 Jun 2020 15:58:04 No.11768056 Report

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>>11763401
kek

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Jun 2020 17:08:57 No.11768209 Report

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>>11767128
>>11765717
wrong law

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Jun 2020 21:46:30 No.11768872 Report

Quoted By: >>11769730

>>11764124
OP is talking specifically about Kirchhoff's actual law. Looks like you don't know what it is. Most people don't understand it and think Kirchhoff's law is Stewart's law or Planck's law. In contrast, The Sky Scholar dude perfectly understands it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Jun 2020 21:57:58 No.11768909 Report

Quoted By: >>11768956

>>11763303
Linking a video by Robitaille, who is a notorious idiot crackpot, amounts to shooting yourself in the foot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Jun 2020 22:13:00 No.11768956 Report

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>>11768909
>waah, waah, kook kook kook!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Jun 2020 22:24:39 No.11768984 Report

Quoted By: >>11768990

>>11768956
Yeah, facts are hard to deal with, aren't they.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Jun 2020 22:26:24 No.11768990 Report

Quoted By: >>11769031

>>11768984
You got absolutely zero facts or arguments. You are 100% unable to defend the idea that Kirchhoff's law is valid.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Jun 2020 22:49:04 No.11769031 Report

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>>11768990
That was not the issue of my comment anyway. You seem to want to change the topic of discussion any time it pleases you.
Anyway, there is no "idea that Kirchhoff's law is valid" to defend, apart from your seeming inability to being comfortable with the meaning of the adjective "valid" in the English language.

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Anonymous Sat 06 Jun 2020 22:51:08 No.11769038 Report

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>>11763303
>Friendly reminder Kirchoff's law is invalid
Anyone who knows Kirchhoff's law of thermal emission should have zero difficulty seeing that it indeed is. A vast array of physical evidence readily proves Kirchhoff's law is false and fallacious. Every resonant cavity proves Kirchhoff wrong. If Kirchhoff was right there would be no lasers, no MRI, no resonant cavities. Since these technologies all exist Kirchhoff is wrong and so is Planck. Planck's equation for thermal spectra is not universal and strictly applies only in the case of an opaque cavity at thermal equilibrium and made of a carbon.

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Anonymous Sat 06 Jun 2020 23:12:02 No.11769094 Report

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Team Kirchhoff's law is invalid: Here's the science, facts, observations and experiments which clearly demonstrate Kirchhoff's law is invalid.

Team Kirchhoff's law is valid: Kook! Schizo! Kook! Schizo!

Absolutely delicious and glorious :)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Jun 2020 23:37:02 No.11769165 Report

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Kirchhoff's laws has limitations, they never were universal laws.
I thought this is common knowledge. Whats next you will prove that another law of classical physics is "false" in a quantum physics concept? Wow, amazing.

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Anonymous Sun 07 Jun 2020 00:16:49 No.11769233 Report

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Relativity proponents and Big Bang supporters are quietly seething over this. Big Bang theory requires the cosmic microwave background (CMB) to be a real thing; it's inextricably intertwined with the theory, and the CMB in turn requires Kirchhoff's law and Planck's equation for thermal spectra to be flawlessly correct and universal.

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Anonymous Sun 07 Jun 2020 03:02:25 No.11769630 Report

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>>11763303
great videos anon, thanks for sharing

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Anonymous Sun 07 Jun 2020 03:58:19 No.11769723 Report

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>>11763303
I hope milkies are still valid...

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Jun 2020 04:00:20 No.11769730 Report

Quoted By: >>11770172

>>11768872
Kirchhoff's actual law is the one about circuits.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Jun 2020 09:08:46 No.11770172 Report

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>>11769730
Wrong law. This is about the law of thermal radiation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Jun 2020 15:36:07 No.11770919 Report

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They are top tier tits

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Jun 2020 15:48:45 No.11770948 Report

Quoted By: >>11773034

>>11763303
tldr these lectures for me pls

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Jun 2020 03:55:56 No.11773034 Report

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>>11770948
Kirchhoff's thermal law is fundamentally flawed in a certain way. This in turn destroys the validity of theories like the big bang and black holes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Jun 2020 04:20:36 No.11773085 Report

Quoted By: >>11773347 >>11773350

>>11765717
The whole argument was started by Walter Lewin, who was a great prof at MIT (now fired/suspended due to some sexual harassment case). ElectroBOOM could not reproduce his measurements and politely argued in the comments of one of Lewis’ vids. The old prof (maybe because he is getting senile or maybe because he is a faggot sometimes) was reluctant to ElectroBOOMs reasoning and kept spamming his own vids in his answers while calling ElectroBOOM and his fanbase retarded (which is true in a way: EB does fuck around with things you shouldn’t encourage people to, like shorting power outlets on purpose etc.).

Luckily, that’s not all there is to it. After some rounds of namecalling and spamming the same vids again, prof Walter Lewin directed EB to an other prof at his lab, who turned out to he very based, and wrote a great summary on the matter; link: http://www.electroboom.com/share/FaradaysLaw_Mehdi.pdf

See EB’s summary vid on the discussion also: https://youtu.be/Q9LuVBfwvzA

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Jun 2020 06:40:21 No.11773347 Report

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>>11773085
Wrong law.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Jun 2020 06:41:28 No.11773350 Report

Quoted By: >>11773497

>>11765717 & >>11773085
Wrong law.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Jun 2020 08:07:49 No.11773497 Report

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>>11773350
Yeah I know, but >>11765717 was talking about the drama around the KVL. My reply was about his post, not yours, sorry for not making that clear.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Jun 2020 17:11:58 No.11774652 Report

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>boobs bait

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