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Nutrition Research; A meme?

Anonymous Fri 29 May 23:07:17 2020 No.11731893 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>11731941 >>11731987 >>11732029 >>11732062 >>11733466 >>11733569 >>11735378 >>11735405

>400 years of scientific research later
>still don't know what we are supposed to eat
When will this be solved? Are humans carnivores? Herbivores? Omni? Is vegan healthier than keto? Is it okay to be feeding babies formula with 6 Tablespoons of sugar a day?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 May 2020 23:17:40 No.11731941 Report

Quoted By: >>11731982

>>11731893
it’s a meme because it is literally all funded by people with an interest in manipulating the data, usually for significant government subsidies. They don’t have to make healthy food just convince you their food is healthy

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 May 2020 23:26:09 No.11731982 Report

Quoted By: >>11732001

>>11731941
It's so blatant. Nothing in nutrition Research can be trusted. Even the "micronutrients" the FDA says are daily requirements. People who eat straight meat don't lack vitamin C for some reason.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 29 May 2020 23:30:12 No.11731987 Report

Quoted By: >>11732044 >>11732046

>>11731893
The only thing I am certain of is to not exceed in anything, there is no such thing as "[organ/immune system] boost", just try to strike for balance, never too much of anything.

Also this research is a bundle of fun.
https://www.sciencealert.com/everything-we-eat-both-causes-and-prevents-cancer

Also as I had the luck to be the intern in a research lab, I observed at how pointless or dangerous taking supplements can be, simply put each person has its own balance, everytime I met someone taking them, it was either not enough that the problem was still there or too much.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 May 2020 23:36:06 No.11732001 Report

Quoted By: >>11732050

>>11731982
On top of that it’s fucking exceedingly hard to control variables even without hidden variables.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 May 2020 23:43:42 No.11732029 Report

Quoted By: >>11732040 >>11732079 >>11735405

>>11731893
we already know what we supposed to eat
-unprocessed meat, fruit , vegtables, grans, nuts even diary
-literally anything actually
we are herbivores

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 May 2020 23:45:31 No.11732040 Report

Quoted By: >>11732052

>>11732029
I wish I had to confidence/brain damage to talk about shit I only have passing knowledge of in definitive terms

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 May 2020 23:46:39 No.11732044 Report

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>>11731987
Usually when something is called a "boost" it means you dont have enough of it.

Like, people started to say during this COVID thing "vitamin D is a immune system booster you need it". That is mostly correct, because most of the population has vitamin D deficiency (like 60-70% of usa)

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 May 2020 23:46:44 No.11732046 Report

Quoted By: >>11732084

>>11731987
>I observed at how pointless or dangerous taking supplements can be
how and why is it dangerous?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 May 2020 23:47:14 No.11732050 Report

Quoted By: >>11732067 >>11732083

>>11732001
Not only that, the controlling they do is just pseudoscience hidden behind complex calculations. They use linear regression, which assumes that the variables they control for are:
1. Independent of each other.
2. Linear in their correlation.
Both of which is usually wrong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 May 2020 23:47:45 No.11732052 Report

Quoted By: >>11732058 >>11732087

>>11732040
if you need research papers to know what you need to eat you have actual brain damage

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 May 2020 23:50:22 No.11732058 Report

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>>11732052
Yes, we actually do need to do research to know things, you mong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 May 2020 23:50:55 No.11732062 Report

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>>11731893

>still don't know what we are supposed to eat

But we already know what to eat.

>fish rich in omega fatty acids but low in mercury concentration
>food rich in vitamin A, B, C, D, E, K primarily vegetables, nuts and milk
>weekly intake of iodine, iron and zinc
>weekly intake non-processed meat and grain

Everything else is optional.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 May 2020 23:52:14 No.11732067 Report

Quoted By: >>11732083

>>11732050
Also forgot to mention that it's super easy to manipulate data like this. Just arbitrarily pick the control variables that favour your predetermined outcome and call it a day.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 May 2020 23:55:15 No.11732079 Report

Quoted By: >>11735489 >>11735518

>>11732029
Except most of the fruits and grains didn't exist during our evolution. And the nuts will kill you if yo don't process them correctly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 May 2020 23:56:20 No.11732083 Report

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>>11732067
>>11732050
yep, same thing with social sciences. and no one wants to fix it because it means burning their paychecks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 May 2020 23:56:25 No.11732084 Report

Quoted By: >>11732138

>>11732046
Well is just the usual stuff we luckily know, like say, too much vitamin C and you get diarrhea which unfortunately I know myself as I went a month drinking 100% orange juice, is just stuff you can find probably on Wiki, problem is a medic hazarding a diagnosis or someone making a presumption that they are lacking X or how someone might take a certain supplement and still have troubles because they are treating only the symptoms not the underlying causes, you might have someone with cramps, so they take Calcium but then they still have them because they did not take vitamin D with it, or maybe they do but is ineffective because their kidneys are a mess (I actually know a guy's GF who has Hypoparathyroidism, has cramps, underlying heart problems and ruined her kidneys with alcohol abuse, hopefully the experimental treatment she is following will prevent a cardiac arrest).

Shit's complicated, I think selling certain stuff endangers people.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 May 2020 23:57:17 No.11732087 Report

Quoted By: >>11732129 >>11732163

>>11732052
I actually don't know what to eat. Still debating between full carnivore and Omni low cal with fasting. I gave absolutely no reference.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 May 2020 00:07:02 No.11732129 Report

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>>11732087
go full anatolia. Delicious and probably good for you too. Try Kurdish if you like spicy

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 May 2020 00:09:40 No.11732138 Report

Quoted By: >>11732155

>>11732084
aha, so you are saying we should be very careful with our diets. now I understand why doctors are worried about people taking supplements (vitamins D) for the covid thing... people are fucking retarded and think taking them at any moment will help them when they fall ill

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 May 2020 00:16:28 No.11732155 Report

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>>11732138
In a nutshell from what I am learning, is that all this boosting and being some kind of superman because you ate X or Y seem to be rather pretentious when most of us are likely missing or exceeding with certain elements.

I probably sound confusing, but I see too often people trying to trivialize a problem into "you are just missing X", is because I am lucky that I am witness what happens when you can analyze someone's relation with their "components" so to speak, whether they have a lack of excess of them, I hope these sort of machines get out of the lab and become more mainstream.

As a side note I am more worried about the long term effect of an overuse of bacteria killing soap might have on them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 May 2020 00:21:04 No.11732163 Report

Quoted By: >>11733459

>>11732087
What is
>Omni low cal with fasting
?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 May 2020 09:12:10 No.11733459 Report

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>>11732163
Omnivore diet, low in calories with intermittent water fasts.

Based Redpilled Chad (BRC)

Based Redpilled Chad (BRC) Sat 30 May 2020 09:12:19 No.11733461 Report

Quoted By: >>11733518

>Diet depends on body type and geographic location
>seasonal fruits and veggies are always great, cause ecosystem varies geographically and so does our genetic makeup.
>80% cooked veg + protein (animal or plant) though plant is better as it doesn't cause calcium leaching and shit
>basically take maximum variety of foods at your location.
>variety and seasonal foods (unprocessed) is the key.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 May 2020 09:15:14 No.11733466 Report

Quoted By: >>11733524 >>11735324

>>11731893
Lmao the only people who oppose veganism are fat fucks. They're also the same people who say that fruits are bad because of fructose.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 May 2020 09:41:00 No.11733518 Report

Quoted By: >>11733526

>>11733461
why would you base your diet off vegetables that didn't exist more than a few thousand years ago lmao

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 May 2020 09:44:14 No.11733524 Report

Quoted By: >>11733541

>>11733466
every vegan I've ever met was horribly weak and looked like shit sorry bro

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 May 2020 09:45:11 No.11733526 Report

Quoted By: >>11735324 >>11735657 >>11735744

>>11733518
Because that's not an argument.
Just because people ate something thousands of years ago doesn't mean it's the ideal diet especially since their main goal was surviving and not living as healthy as possible.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 May 2020 09:52:04 No.11733541 Report

Quoted By: >>11735324

>>11733524
It's ok, your anecdotal evidence is useless anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 May 2020 10:11:08 No.11733569 Report

Quoted By: >>11733734

>>11731893
not sure what you're talking about, we've known for like 3 decades whole food plant based diet is optimal for human health

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 May 2020 11:41:15 No.11733734 Report

Quoted By: >>11734266

>>11733569
Do we actually know that?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 May 2020 14:30:49 No.11734266 Report

Quoted By: >>11734903 >>11735899

>>11733734
yes
the only reason for the controversy is influence from many industries, every single government health institution has recommended shifting your diet towards plant based for the last few decades and the evidence is overwhelming
watch dr greger's channel nutritionfacts on youtube where he goes over very large amounts of research on most nutrition topics

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 May 2020 16:10:59 No.11734903 Report

Quoted By: >>11735319

>>11734266
Dr. Baker says eating carnivore is healthier than eating plants though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 May 2020 16:44:26 No.11735319 Report

Quoted By: >>11735388

>>11734903
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-authority

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Anonymous Sat 30 May 2020 16:44:45 No.11735324 Report

Quoted By: >>11735335

>>11733466
>>11733526
>>11733541
>https://plagueofstrength.com/vegetarianism-and-veganism-bes/
>https://plagueofstrength.com/vegetarianism-and-veganism-are-as/
>http://mentalfloss.com/article/32042/corn-flakes-were-invented-part-anti-masturbation-crusade
>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg#Battle_Creek_Sanitarium
>https://gizmodo.com/dr-kelloggs-15-most-absurd-medical-contraptions-5963269/amp
>https://thetab.com/uk/2017/02/16/vegetarians-unhealthy-mentally-disturbed-says-new-research-33067
>https://plagueofstrength.com/the-war-on-coffee-and-common-sense-or/

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 May 2020 16:45:43 No.11735335 Report

Quoted By: >>11735657 >>11735744

>>11735324
back to /pol/

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 May 2020 16:49:38 No.11735378 Report

Quoted By:

>>11731893
omnivores

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 May 2020 16:51:04 No.11735388 Report

Quoted By: >>11735413

>>11735319
Everyone else is appealing to authority. And all these doctors use peer reviewed studies to support their conclusions. So why do you believe Berger?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 30 May 2020 16:53:09 No.11735405 Report

Quoted By: >>11735421 >>11735489 >>11735518

>>11731893
>Are humans...Omni?
Yes
>>11732029
>we are herbivores
>http://time.com/4252373/meat-eating-veganism-evolution/
>https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Meat+in+the+human+diet:+an+anthropological+perspective-a0169311689
>https://www.livescience.com/23671-eating-meat-made-us-human.html
>https://www.livescience.com/24875-meat-human-brain.html
>https://carta.anthropogeny.org/moca/topics/smalllarge-intestine-length-ratio
>https://www.mpg.de/12728073/neandertals-main-food-source-was-definitely-meat

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 May 2020 16:53:45 No.11735413 Report

Quoted By: >>11735752

>>11735388
jesus it's so tedious talking to limited people
I wasn't appealing to dr greger, I was appealing to the tons of research he goes over in his videos, I don't care about dr greger in this argument, he just does a really good job compiling and presenting high quality research on his channel
the only reference you made in your argument was to dr baker, hence your argument is a fallacious appeal to authority

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Anonymous Sat 30 May 2020 16:54:49 No.11735421 Report

Quoted By: >>11735489 >>11735518

>>11735405

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Anonymous Sat 30 May 2020 16:58:56 No.11735489 Report

Quoted By:

>>11732079
>>11735405
>>11735421
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/d0fe/b0019dc8017e499150bc453230018d5cd282.pdf

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Anonymous Sat 30 May 2020 17:01:18 No.11735518 Report

Quoted By: >>11735547

>>11732079
>>11735405
>>11735421
>https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/d0fe/b0019dc8017e499150bc453230018d5cd282.pdf

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Anonymous Sat 30 May 2020 17:04:33 No.11735547 Report

Quoted By: >>11735562 >>11735788

>>11735518
The salt, dairy and bread section is kind of outdated

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Anonymous Sat 30 May 2020 17:05:36 No.11735562 Report

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>>11735547

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Anonymous Sat 30 May 2020 17:13:56 No.11735657 Report

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>>11735335
>>11733526
https://plagueofstrength.com/the-simplicity-of-dieting-it-really-is/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3529694/#!po=57.9365
http://suppversity.blogspot.de/2016/10/latest-study-shows-that-33-gkg-high.html
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/42/1/127
https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2012-03/nlmc-nfi030112.php
https://breakingmuscle.com/healthy-eating/why-all-humans-need-to-eat-meat-for-health/
https://www.webmd.com/men/features/benefits-protein

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Anonymous Sat 30 May 2020 17:19:02 No.11735744 Report

Quoted By: >>11735784

>>11735335
>>11733526
>https://plagueofstrength.com/the-simplicity-of-dieting-it-really-is/
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3529694/#!po=57.9365
>http://suppversity.blogspot.de/2016/10/latest-study-shows-that-33-gkg-high.html
>http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/42/1/127
https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2012-03/nlmc-nfi030112.php
>https://breakingmuscle.com/healthy-eating/why-all-humans-need-to-eat-meat-for-health/
>https://www.webmd.com/men/features/benefits-protein

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 May 2020 17:19:23 No.11735752 Report

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>>11735413
Dr. Baker also presents tons of high quality research. There's positive research promoting veganism and carnivore diets.

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Anonymous Sat 30 May 2020 17:20:42 No.11735784 Report

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>>11735744

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 30 May 2020 17:20:55 No.11735788 Report

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>>11735547
We used to get salt from animal blood.

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Anonymous Sat 30 May 2020 17:28:00 No.11735899 Report

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>>11734266
then why does he look so thin and unhealthy for a 47 yo if he has it all figured out?

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