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we should colonize venus and use as a sandbox

Anonymous Sun 24 May 02:09:25 2020 No.11705239 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>11705258 >>11705402 >>11705990 >>11706177 >>11706472 >>11706707

I don't see any other way we can colonize the solar system.
if we use venus to test machines and finally master swarms of hidenburg sized zeppelins or a floating city, then we are set to live in gas giants without having to worry about gravity nor fuel and finally give a use to their moon.

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Anonymous Sun 24 May 2020 02:15:49 No.11705258 Report

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>>11705239
Training for gas giants is a great idea. No need for useless megastructures and a good shot at Type II.

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Anonymous Sun 24 May 2020 02:28:43 No.11705300 Report

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>>11705258
and the best part? we can send a probe there that will be relativately cheap to put in the habitable zone of venus, because everyone is focusing on the dead end that is the planet mars.
nothing than a little teflon coated zeppelin that will float at 50km above the surface of venus to scan the atmosphere and surface, maybe even throw a seismometer at maxwell montes.

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Anonymous Sun 24 May 2020 02:56:31 No.11705390 Report

Quoted By: >>11705942

Are y'all pulling my leg? Isn't Venus close to the sun and really hot?

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Anonymous Sun 24 May 2020 03:02:09 No.11705401 Report

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While it's cool, we'd probably have full-blown megacities on Mars before the first set of blimps are put into Venus. It's just not economically viable for what we have right now. It'll take a future that supports unmixed cultures and is free of long-nosed bank owners.

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Anonymous Sun 24 May 2020 03:02:34 No.11705402 Report

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>>11705239
It's too difficult to obtain water on Venus because hydrogen exists at an extremely low concentration in the atmosphere.
>>gas giant colonies
Venus' atmosphere is largely CO2 and there are a number of gases lighter than CO2. Gas giant atmospheres are largely made of H2 and helium and the only thing lighter than that is the same thing but hotter. Balloons on gas giants are a fucking joke

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Anonymous Sun 24 May 2020 03:07:23 No.11705411 Report

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>>11705300
I can't really help with in-space construction without my nanites but I'm on board.

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Anonymous Sun 24 May 2020 03:09:47 No.11705417 Report

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>>11705300
Nothing's ever cheap about space. Now show me a detailed breakdown of costs.
>>habitable zone
haha nice joke

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Anonymous Sun 24 May 2020 03:32:44 No.11705487 Report

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>>11705417
>Nothing's ever cheap about space.
indeed, but the probe being a really small thing that is no bigger than a chair should change the opinion of any company that want to give it a try.
>Now show me a detailed breakdown of costs.
a cheap rocket will do, no more than a 50 million dollars, the probe that will be 3D printed a designed to withstand the conditions of the venusian atmosphere will cost 2 million max $500000 min.
>habitable zone
>haha nice joke
actually at 50km to 52km above the venusian surface there are earth like conditions and temperature, the right pressure, temperature varies between 70°C to 10°C(I believe that at 52km will do just nice), the atmosphere is thick enough to protect you from the sun, you can harvest water from the acid clouds, etc...at 55km above the surface you have only half the pressure of earth but you have temperatures around 27°C to 10°C.
if we send australians to colonize the atmosphere of venus I am sure they'll survive.

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Anonymous Sun 24 May 2020 03:34:25 No.11705494 Report

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>>11705487
and now about prices...I say 140 million dollars is total of the operation if we are being cheap as fuck and 700 million if we use the best of the best.

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Anonymous Sun 24 May 2020 03:53:50 No.11705547 Report

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>>11705487
Unitary missions are meaningless. If we plan on colonization then we need to send in prep devices to ensure lasting livable conditions. We can't afford a tragedy. Psychologically. It'll destroy future colonization efforts. This isn't something we can guess at.

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Anonymous Sun 24 May 2020 04:21:18 No.11705625 Report

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>>11705547
thats why we need probes to ensure where is the best place to live on venus.
a theory that close to the north pole would be ideal since the winds up there can vary between 300km/h(186mph) to 400km/h(249mph) so we can mimic a 24 hour cycle, the main current up there is the most stable comapred to the rest of the planet, we have maxwell montes nearby...if we ensure that nothing bad happens to the probes, get a seismometer on maxwell montes and predict the patterns in the lands and atmosphere, we could potentially send a group of colonists in a special aircrafts similar to zeppelins and be assured that nothing will be out of their control.
with enough tests we may inhabit venus and make cloud swarms or cloud cities, then after getting enough experience, the gas giants will follow.

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Anonymous Sun 24 May 2020 04:26:26 No.11705642 Report

Quoted By: >>11705847

Why live on a shitty planet when you can build shimmering cities in the sky? Only slaves should live on planets.

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Anonymous Sun 24 May 2020 05:35:16 No.11705847 Report

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>>11705642
>Why live on a shitty planet when you can build shimmering cities in the sky?
because no one knows how to make them viable and the cost will be brutal, thats why we need venus as a sandbox, because it has the conditions to test and experiment how viable are cloud cities.
with a 95.6% CO2 atmosphere and wind speeds around 186mph to 249mph, its perfect to slowly get bigger.
imagine a swarm of hindenburg sized zeppelin crossing the venusian sky and slowly building a cloud city where it will be tested to the max.
using venus to master the technology of cloud cities will be ideal and vital for earth to have cloud cities.
reliable, efficient, etc...
>Only slaves should live on planets.
venus for prisoners and jupiter for fuel harvest slaves.

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Anonymous Sun 24 May 2020 05:38:16 No.11705860 Report

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>>11705847
Venus doesn't have enough water to make practical colonies. Water and hydrogen in general exist at lower concentrations than CO2 exists in earth's atmosphere.

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Anonymous Sun 24 May 2020 05:56:11 No.11705925 Report

Quoted By: >>11705931 >>11706258

>>11705860
>Venus doesn't have enough water to make practical colonies.
BUT...they make perfect prisons.
>Water and hydrogen in general exist at lower concentrations than CO2 exists in earth's atmosphere.
the deuterium in the upper atmosphere will be too complicated to get and also not too much to waste it on water when we can use it for fuel, to top it off we cannot recycle water forever...
despite that planet being perfect for testing and mastering the required technology to inhabit the gas giants, its not a place where humans can survive for long periods of time dammit.
the only way I see this idea being successful is through probes and then sending a crew with the best of the best in a hindenburg sized base in that safe zone in order to get as much results as possible.
it may not be habitable for a colony but a group of hundreds comformed with the best the human race has to offer? not a bad deal at all I say but still it'll be a hellish process, but if we put effort then we may use venus as a sandbox to test, create, master and improve cloud cities.

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Anonymous Sun 24 May 2020 05:57:17 No.11705931 Report

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>>11705925
>inhabit the gas giants
that's retarded

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Anonymous Sun 24 May 2020 06:03:23 No.11705940 Report

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>>11705931
>that's retarded
unless you have the right technology to make it viable.
living on jupiter and saturn would trigger a space revolution that will send humanity on a conquest to dominate the entire solar system.
we would have near endless supplies from asteroids, nearby moons, fuel from the gas giants, etc...

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Anonymous Sun 24 May 2020 06:04:44 No.11705942 Report

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>>11705390
theres a temperate zone in venus atmosphere, it's the current model of colonization now, great-grandpa

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Anonymous Sun 24 May 2020 06:15:23 No.11705964 Report

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>>11705940
>>nearby moons
so why not live on those instead?
>>fuel from the gas giants
if you mean fusion fuel, fusion doesn't work yet. Maybe it'd be more productive to get fusion to work instead of colonizing gas giants and venus? If you mean chemical fuel, I'm sorry that your mum dropped you on your head.

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Anonymous Sun 24 May 2020 06:27:36 No.11705990 Report

Quoted By: >>11705998 >>11706178 >>11706260

>>11705239
Does Venus have radiation issues as Mars does? If it does it would just be overall worst. Making floating flat forms is hard compared to landing shit “burying” in the iron sand. You’d be hard press to make radiation protected floating ships.

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Anonymous Sun 24 May 2020 06:31:50 No.11705998 Report

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>>11705990
After looking at Wikipedia it does. You guys are retarded imagine trying to make radiation resistant hover platforms in the extreme wind conditions of Venus. Mars you can just bury a capsule and it will be good against radiation.

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Anonymous Sun 24 May 2020 07:56:40 No.11706177 Report

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>>11705239
all this Mars/Venus colony stuff is nice, but in any case wee need a Moon base before we can even think of colonizing other planets

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Anonymous Sun 24 May 2020 07:56:42 No.11706178 Report

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>>11705990
Radiation's less of a problem because the atmosphere's so thicc.
>>11705998
>>wind
venus colonies drift with the wind. The wind speed you measure when you drift with the wind is zero. But none of this matters because it's just too difficult to obtain hydrogen.

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Anonymous Sun 24 May 2020 08:55:32 No.11706255 Report

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>>11705487
>cheap rocket
>50 million dollars
i know thats relative but where do you think funding comes from
if you went up to a member of congress and asked for $50m to send a zeppelin to venus they would laugh at you.
unfortunately, the russians are the only chance we have at venus, everyone else is focused on the moon and the dead planet for some reason

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Anonymous Sun 24 May 2020 08:57:00 No.11706258 Report

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>>11705925
>we cannot recycle water forever
we can recycle it long enough for our needs. we'd be at a great position, too. lost water that evaporates can just be collected from clouds again.

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Anonymous Sun 24 May 2020 08:58:05 No.11706260 Report

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>>11705990
now hear me out: underwater flying venus domes

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Anonymous Sun 24 May 2020 08:59:05 No.11706261 Report

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>>11706177
anon is correct. you guys can jerk off about venus ballons all you want but we aren't going anywhere without making the moon a place to stay first.

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Anonymous Sun 24 May 2020 09:06:21 No.11706281 Report

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I want an O'Neill cylinder with perfect climate control, 22 degrees celsius @ 70% humidity with 1 atm pressure all day every day, with artificial lighting indistinguishable from the sun that's shining for 16 hours a day with 8 hours of nighttime. Concentric cylinders with counter rotating drums at 1G, 0.5G, 0.3G and 0.1G gravity, with an inner non-rotating drum (at 0G). You can have your Venusian hellscape, I don't want it.

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Anonymous Sun 24 May 2020 09:10:20 No.11706290 Report

Quoted By: >>11706303 >>11706306

>>11706281
>exactly 8 hours of night time
not exactly optimal for sleep if you could possibly consider that it might take you a bit to actually go to sleep or any other complications

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Anonymous Sun 24 May 2020 09:16:25 No.11706303 Report

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>>11706290
I live in Scandinavia. Right now the sun sets at midnight and is up again at 3 am. For those three hours when the sun is down it's not dark though; street lights don't even turn on. It's like a bright twilight at the darkest for those 3 hours.

On the opposite side, in midwinter the sun rises at 10.30 am and sets at 2 pm, with complete blackness for the rest of it.

My point is, I've lived my entire life with these varying lighting conditions and most people here would agree that when the sun rises at 6 and sets at 10 is the perfect time of year. Also, you would of course have your own home on an O'Neill cylinder where you could just have blackout curtains in your bedroom that don't let any light in. You can go to bed whenever you want.

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Anonymous Sun 24 May 2020 09:18:18 No.11706306 Report

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>>11706290
Forgot to mention; the longer daylight hours are there to accomodate people with different circadian rythms so most people can have a good amount of daylight, regardless of wether or not they're early or late risers. Again, the entire "problem" you pointed out is fixed with curtains. Or a sleeping mask. Not exactly future tech.

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Anonymous Sun 24 May 2020 10:44:36 No.11706472 Report

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>>11705239
muh comfy sandbox of molten lead and sulfuric acid rain

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Anonymous Sun 24 May 2020 13:18:46 No.11706707 Report

Quoted By: >>11707085

>>11705239
A Venus colony would never be fully self-sufficient.
There isn't any material to build stuff you could gather, there aren't any ressources we could need somewhere else and building a Zeppelin for 1/2 the air density as sea level would mean you need giant chambers of helium.
(Also Zeppelins won't work in gas giants either as their athmosphere is mostly hydrogen and helium and we would need to go out to Saturn or beyond because Jupiters gravity is a obout 24 m/s2 wich humans can't realy walk in)

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Anonymous Sun 24 May 2020 13:21:58 No.11706712 Report

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>>11706177
Indeed, the moon is a perfect testing ground as it only takes a rather short time to get there and if something goes wrong, getting back to earth doesn't require a special launch window or much deltaV.
Plus we have near real time radio communication with the moon, wich is a big bonus as well.

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Anonymous Sun 24 May 2020 16:21:07 No.11707085 Report

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>>11706707
the idea with venus is to send probes to scan and simulate the conditions there so that we may test them out in computers.
then apply them to venus.
that place is a perfect sandbox for the development of cloud cities, if we are smart enough and figure it out then we may just be able to populate the entire solar system.

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