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Anonymous Fri 22 May 13:07:01 2020 No.11700211 View Reply Original Report

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Why doesn't make an irl life pokedex but instead of pokemon it'd be real life plants and animals?
You wouldn't even have to make a device, just an app.
Bam million dollar idea right there.

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Anonymous Fri 22 May 2020 13:10:44 No.11700221 Report

Quoted By: >>11700241

>>11700211
You wouldn't use a pokedex you'd just make an app for everyone's smartphone.
Train an app with a ridiculously large convolutional neural net so that you can take a picture of any plant or animal and it returns you the wiki page or something of the lifeform.
VERY VERY VERY BIG DATA dude.

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Anonymous Fri 22 May 2020 13:22:35 No.11700241 Report

Quoted By: >>11700260 >>11701139 >>11703227

>>11700221
Literally reverse image search and pull wiki page. It's a solved problem, just make 2 connections in an app and call it herbidex

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Anonymous Fri 22 May 2020 13:28:03 No.11700260 Report

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>>11700241
reverse image search works for images that have already been taken and posted online, not images you take with your phone. Atleast that's my understanding of how it works.

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Anonymous Fri 22 May 2020 14:59:00 No.11700479 Report

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>>11700211
this is a real genius idea, however there are some problems. Some plants have lookalikes, particularly mushrooms, and I don't think this app would be able to discern different subspecies of animals in the wild.

While I personally would download this app, I would need to make sure its at least 99% accurate.

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Anonymous Fri 22 May 2020 15:22:13 No.11700533 Report

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>>11700211
There are over 30,000 species of grass with thousands of genera. Your pokedex app would be bloated.

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Anonymous Fri 22 May 2020 15:25:11 No.11700535 Report

Quoted By: >>11700574

Google lense is pretty good

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Anonymous Fri 22 May 2020 15:29:32 No.11700547 Report

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>>11700479
>Some plants have lookalikes, particularly mushrooms
Jesus christ /sci/

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Anonymous Fri 22 May 2020 15:38:07 No.11700574 Report

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>>11700535
it's extremely good

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Anonymous Fri 22 May 2020 15:48:00 No.11700601 Report

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There is already an app that identifies plant species. I have it is called “picture this” managed to identify loads of funky shit in my garden. Only problem is it occasionally mistakes plants for one that look similar

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Anonymous Fri 22 May 2020 15:48:47 No.11700603 Report

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>>11700211
>pokedex for real life
The best tool is your mind. My bushcare teachers go out in the field and can identify every plant in sight by themselves, no books or devices needed. It would also be difficult for an AI to identify the tiny details that separate some very similar plant species, especially through a camera. You sometimes even need to feel a plant or size it up to identify it properly. It's possible, but the AI would need to be very intelligent

Apps like this exist already anyway. There are even apps that let you upload photos of plants and animals so other people identify it for you

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Anonymous Fri 22 May 2020 15:58:23 No.11700632 Report

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>>11700574
its not that great.
It couldnt recognize my tree.
Im not saying i could do better but it has its limitations.

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Anonymous Fri 22 May 2020 15:59:22 No.11700636 Report

Quoted By: >>11700641

>>11700632
it sees it's a plant though, so somethings going on underneath

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Anonymous Fri 22 May 2020 16:01:05 No.11700641 Report

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>>11700636
well actually its probably right...
Hell i dont know about plants desu.

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Anonymous Fri 22 May 2020 16:32:04 No.11700710 Report

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>>11700211
Had to try just snapping a pic and reverse imaging. Worked exactly like you said a herbidex would

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Anonymous Fri 22 May 2020 16:37:19 No.11700724 Report

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>>11700603
This desu, your brain is still more powerful than any computer if you're willing to train it.
Got an uncle who works for some environmental tracking gov agency. Went hiking with him and was blown away at just how much he knew on the spot about everything in that forest.

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Anonymous Fri 22 May 2020 16:50:28 No.11700762 Report

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>>11700211
It's called iNaturalist

It does this already. It has an AI to identify images of things you take pictures of. Then it also allows a community to go through and respond what they think it is based on location and the description as well.

>>11700632
If you take a shit picture you get shit results.

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Anonymous Fri 22 May 2020 17:44:53 No.11700921 Report

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>>11700211
Well, Google with Google Lens etc are already kinda, sorta trying to do it.

Its just a metric turbo fuckton of training data per object. And funny enough, for many random ass weeds and such there probably aren't that many.

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Anonymous Fri 22 May 2020 17:48:33 No.11700934 Report

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Also if you think about it, trees must be a stunningly difficult thing to train a neural net with.

Cars at least usually look about the same in every picture and angle. Trees can grow in all sorts of different shapes, with many of them needing to be able to see additional details such as their leaves to actually put it together.

They can probably "obvious" trees like those tall point ones, or those japanese pink ones (you can see what a naturalist I am by those descriptions), but feels like it would be really hard to figure out a medium sized sapling, out of a picture where you can't even tell the leaves.

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Anonymous Fri 22 May 2020 18:26:41 No.11701036 Report

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Flora incognita is exactly this for plants

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Anonymous Fri 22 May 2020 18:49:43 No.11701111 Report

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>>11700211
Just like the time has the idea of using jets. But like one for each person. They could wear it like a backpack. Was going to call it a jetpack.

Bam a million dollar idea! Just need a couple of nerds to work out the details.

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Anonymous Fri 22 May 2020 18:55:05 No.11701139 Report

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>>11700241
>reverse image searching a new picture
lol

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Anonymous Fri 22 May 2020 19:02:29 No.11701172 Report

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>>11700632
I can barely recognize that shit as a tree

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Anonymous Fri 22 May 2020 19:28:45 No.11701253 Report

Quoted By: >>11702161

>>11701111
Well I do wonder why they don't sell jetpacks.
Even if someone can just use them for like 30 seconds at the time I'm sure people would still buy them.

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Anonymous Sat 23 May 2020 00:54:29 No.11702143 Report

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>>11700547
What if you eat a poisonous mushroom after the herb idea says it’s a edible one?

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Anonymous Sat 23 May 2020 01:02:42 No.11702161 Report

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>>11701253
Even if you put on height limiters and the flame doesn’t burn you and a computer system brings you to the ground before it runs out of fuel people are still going to screw up and get themselves killed. And what happens if Jihad John or Pollack Paul can fly directly above the military base or church or bank? What happens when Thieving Tom can fly away from the police or drop a bomb on Fort Knox to grab the gold? And what about the president? The secret service is going to have to use jetpacks to protect him as well as every other important person in the world, because it’s easier to protect against crowds of people or a Cessna then a flying guy with a hand gun or rifle plummeting towards the president from a thousand metres up.

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Anonymous Sat 23 May 2020 01:12:23 No.11702178 Report

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>>11700211
It's called Siri

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Anonymous Sat 23 May 2020 01:17:45 No.11702186 Report

Quoted By: >>11702198

>>11700211

The hardware already exists (phones) and the software/content already exists (Wikispecies). Just churn out an autistic phone that only does Wikispecies and formats it to your gay autistic fandom thing so it looks like in-universe Pokemon shit and boom, done.

Same thing: Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. Make a larger phone-thing, put "Don't Panic" in big friendly letters and have it only go to Wikipedia.

These ideas are so stupid and obvious that I have full confidence that I could develop and market them if I cared about money. People love buying stupid shit, and you can sell anything.

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Anonymous Sat 23 May 2020 01:19:15 No.11702189 Report

Quoted By: >>11702198

edit: clearly, a tablet/iPad would make more sense for the Hitchhiker idea. The Guide is depicted as being somewhat larger than a phone, about tablet size.

Someone else market it and make a tidy profit, I don't care

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Anonymous Sat 23 May 2020 01:23:49 No.11702195 Report

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iNaturalist is the best software currently available.
It has a detection algorithm but relies mainly on expert identification to assign confidence designation.
The reality is that most species are very difficult to resolve using smart-phone grade imagery and certain groups such as lichens, grape-ferns, etc. rely on genetic analysis to differentiate species, making visual ID more or less impossible anyways.
What we really need is a tricorder from Star Trek that just barcodess the genetics of things on the spot and tells you what it groups with.

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Anonymous Sat 23 May 2020 01:25:42 No.11702198 Report

Quoted By: >>11702217

>>11702189
>>11702186
I can't wait to see y'all in court as Douglas Adam's estate assrapes your finances

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Anonymous Sat 23 May 2020 01:40:26 No.11702217 Report

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>>11702198

>has no reading comprehension

Also for licensed things, of course the owners are consulted.

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Anonymous Sat 23 May 2020 05:40:49 No.11702591 Report

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>>11701139
related pictures show up especially if you use something other than google image search which is trash

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Anonymous Sat 23 May 2020 05:42:52 No.11702594 Report

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>>11700603
>There are even apps that let you upload photos of plants and animals so other people identify it for you
yea crowdsourcing identification would work way better than this shit

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Anonymous Sat 23 May 2020 06:09:44 No.11702638 Report

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>>11700547
>AaCachTUAKUALLY iTs A fUnGuS

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Anonymous Sat 23 May 2020 12:47:47 No.11703154 Report

Quoted By: >>11703224

>>11700211
>be professor oak
>ask ash to complete pokedex information
>whips out silly boi
>pokedex already has information in its data base
>pretend like this makes any sense at all
Am i the only one ?

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Anonymous Sat 23 May 2020 13:14:19 No.11703224 Report

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>>11703154
Hell no.
Have you seen Ash's mom? A guy's gotta get that little fucker out SOMEHOW.

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Anonymous Sat 23 May 2020 13:15:44 No.11703227 Report

Quoted By: >>11703387

>>11700241
how retarded are you?

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Anonymous Sat 23 May 2020 14:32:44 No.11703387 Report

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>>11700260
>>11701139
>>11703227
Wrong. Take a picture of some common item, then search it, you will find it.

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Anonymous Sat 23 May 2020 15:15:36 No.11703471 Report

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>>11700211
For a couple of bucks you could have an app that sends your picture to a group of biologists and they answer for you

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