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The dichotomy of AI

Anonymous Sat 02 May 13:54:27 2020 No.11628335 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>11628355 >>11628804 >>11628820 >>11628845 >>11628857 >>11628994 >>11629017 >>11629195 >>11629399

I've read Kurzweil's book and I am currently reading James Barrat. There's a MASSIVE difference between what each author suggests how AI will affect us. Kurzweil thinks that AI will help us colonise the universe whilst Barrat thinks that AI can kill us all.

Wondering what you guys think. Both books are very persuasive.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 02 May 2020 13:59:06 No.11628355 Report

Quoted By: >>11628366

>>11628335
Something wanting to destroy something useful is not inteligent.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 02 May 2020 14:01:49 No.11628366 Report

Quoted By: >>11628694

>>11628355
Barrat argues that ASI (artificial super intelligence) could calculate (with it supreme intelligence) that humans are no longer needed for its own survival.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 02 May 2020 16:13:16 No.11628694 Report

Quoted By: >>11628759 >>11628769 >>11628777 >>11628796 >>11629411

>>11628366
Artists and scientists are not needed for your survival, but they sure makes this world much more fun.
The only reason to destroy something of value is fear, and fear is not intelligent. Especially when there are better way to protect ourselves than to destroy everything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 02 May 2020 16:32:34 No.11628759 Report

Quoted By: >>11628868 >>11628996

>>11628694
Why would you program an AI to desire fun?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 02 May 2020 16:34:54 No.11628769 Report

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>>11628694
Even if we are somehow useful, like being considered idea provider for the AI, chances are we will be treated like cattle, or worse.
IMO if we don't merge with the AI by becoming a race of cyborgs, we will quickly be overhelmed and suffer a fate worse than death

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 02 May 2020 16:37:19 No.11628777 Report

Quoted By: >>11628884

>>11628694
>and fear is not intelligent.
Fear is one of the most intelligent responses any entity can have

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 02 May 2020 16:42:54 No.11628796 Report

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>>11628694
>there are better way to protect ourselves than to destroy everything
Absolutely not.

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Anonymous Sat 02 May 2020 16:44:54 No.11628804 Report

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>>11628335
>In view of everything we've said up to this point, and in view moreover of the fact that the techies' vision of the future is based on pure speculation and is unsupported by evidence, one has to ask how they can believe in that vision. Some techies, e.g. , Kurzweil, do concede a slight degree of uncertainty as to whether their expectations for the future will be realized, but this seems to be no more than a sop that they throw to the skeptics, something they have to concede in order to avoid making themselves too obviously ridiculous in the eyes of rational people. Despite their pro forma admission of uncertainty, it's clear that most techies confidently expect to live for many centuries, if not forever, in a world that will be in some vaguely defined sense a utopia. Thus Kurzweil states flatly: "We will be able to live as long as we want... ." He adds no qualifiers-no "probably," no "if things turn out as expected." His whole book reveals a man intoxicated with a vision of the future in which, as an immortal machine, he will participate in the conquest of the universe. In fact, Kurzweil and other techies are living in a fantasy world.

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Anonymous Sat 02 May 2020 16:51:44 No.11628820 Report

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>>11628335
AI is like nuclear weapon, except everyone can make nukes and use it for whatever purpose. "I want nukes to power my car" "I want to blow up World Trade Center" "I want my to cure cancer with nukes" etc

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 02 May 2020 16:59:01 No.11628845 Report

Quoted By: >>11629185

>>11628335
AI will never happen in our lifetimes, even if your are a zoomer. Stop dreaming, machine learning will never lead to AI, no matter how hard your favorite pop sci YouTuber suggests, AI is really far away from happening. And by the way, you "don't program" AI, you train it to do stuff, so unless you train AI to train itself, nothing will happen, ever.

STOP DREAMING. STOP WATCHING SO MUCH POP SCI. STOP FOLLOWING MUSK'S TWITTER. STOP TALKING SHIT. THE THINK YOU CALL AI IS LITERALLY AN INSTAGRAM FILTER GENERATOR AND A DEAD ENDED CAR DRIVER.

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Anonymous Sat 02 May 2020 17:02:54 No.11628857 Report

Quoted By: >>11628907

>>11628335
>I've read Kurzweil's book
>Neuralink picture
Opinion discarded thank you

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 02 May 2020 17:07:06 No.11628868 Report

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>>11628759
fun is natural, one doesn't have to program it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 02 May 2020 17:08:08 No.11628873 Report

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>>11628769
We will naturally merge with ai, otherwise why would anybody pay for the servers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 02 May 2020 17:09:23 No.11628884 Report

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>>11628777
Being smart and being brave is in negative correlation. Good thing is being a little crazy helps.
But then you become even smarter and you find that fear only makes the danger worse.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 02 May 2020 17:11:36 No.11628892 Report

Quoted By: >>11628899 >>11628907 >>11628908 >>11629221 >>11629330

reminder that according to Kurzweil we should ALREADY have:
>computers as powerful as the human brain cost 1000 dollars
>toilets that read your urine and tell you what diseases you have or are at risk of getting
>DNA modification technology that works in fully grown adults, we are supposed to literally be able to genetically modify adults and change their physical form as well as their DNA
>all world hunger is solved
>many many other ridiculous things
Kurzweil is wrong

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 02 May 2020 17:11:37 No.11628893 Report

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>>11628796
> destroy all humans
> some electromagnetic celestial event destroys all sylicon-based forms of life
> no more carbon-based humants to repair you

Also somebody wishing to destroy force that gave it birth must be hating one's life. Why would that being didn't commit suicide aeons before getting that much more pissed off?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 02 May 2020 17:13:12 No.11628899 Report

Quoted By: >>11628916

>>11628892
>toilets that read your urine and tell you what diseases you have or are at risk of getting
I read about such toilets built in japan a decade ago.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 02 May 2020 17:14:38 No.11628907 Report

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>>11628892
It's a tale as old as time
/Sci/ hating on non stemfags except when it bathes them in their scifi fantasies
As already said
>>11628857

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 02 May 2020 17:14:53 No.11628908 Report

Quoted By: >>11628916

>>11628892
>DNA modification technology that works in fully grown adults, we are supposed to literally be able to genetically modify adults and change their physical form as well as their DNA
Has been successfully achieved over five years ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQd_Yf0x_5I

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Anonymous Sat 02 May 2020 17:17:11 No.11628916 Report

Quoted By: >>11628935 >>11628951

>>11628899
>>11628908

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Anonymous Sat 02 May 2020 17:21:29 No.11628935 Report

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>>11628916
noise oozerpig

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Anonymous Sat 02 May 2020 17:26:03 No.11628951 Report

Quoted By: >>11628978

>>11628916
you're also misread something about the human brain, which is only coming your way, so maybe you will be able to get one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 02 May 2020 17:27:10 No.11628956 Report

Quoted By: >>11629162

>>11628769
But at that point we are not longer Human, We are Cyborg.

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Anonymous Sat 02 May 2020 17:35:32 No.11628978 Report

Quoted By: >>11628995

>>11628951

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 02 May 2020 17:41:05 No.11628994 Report

Quoted By: >>11629004 >>11629165

>>11628335
Superintelligence by Nick Bostrom is a more pragmatic take on kurzweil

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 02 May 2020 17:42:01 No.11628995 Report

Quoted By: >>11629172

>>11628978
the userpic fits you well
https://www.humanbrainproject.eu/en/brain-simulation/whole-mouse-brain-model/
Give me a quote of him saying of
>computers as powerful as the human brain cost 1000 dollars

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 02 May 2020 17:42:07 No.11628996 Report

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>>11628759
Might emerge as part of a utility function.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 02 May 2020 17:45:56 No.11629004 Report

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>>11628994
Gonna read that. Heard its a bit dense though and im strapped for time rn.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 02 May 2020 17:48:56 No.11629017 Report

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>>11628335
One AI can destroy us is by destroying the job market. The service economy has failed and AI will take care of everything else.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 02 May 2020 18:51:12 No.11629162 Report

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>>11628956
That was the idea, humanity as we know it will disappear sooner or later

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 02 May 2020 18:52:24 No.11629165 Report

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>>11628994
Bostrom's book is a must read. Kurzweil is a hack pop sci author btw

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 02 May 2020 18:54:32 No.11629172 Report

Quoted By: >>11629300

>>11628995
lmfao you are the type to be enchanted by overblown research papers. There is nothing in that paper that corroborates Kurzweil, it's exaggerated pseudo science.
Sorry that you're dumb, anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 02 May 2020 18:57:19 No.11629185 Report

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>>11628845
Nobody said anything about actually witnessing AI, why are you so assblasted anyway

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 02 May 2020 19:01:01 No.11629195 Report

Quoted By: >>11629196 >>11629220

>>11628335
The simple fact is you don't need ASI to render 80% of human labor obsolete. Narrow AI is perfectly capable of that by itself. The only thing holding that back is cheap, versatile robotics.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 02 May 2020 19:02:03 No.11629196 Report

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>>11629195
*lack of cheap versatile robotics

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Anonymous Sat 02 May 2020 19:03:29 No.11629204 Report

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I'm hoping for an ai that will become the parent of humanity, help us become the best we can, help us solve problems and protecting us in general.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 02 May 2020 19:09:21 No.11629220 Report

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>>11629195
this guy gets it. what's going to have an even bigger impact is AI software that will quickly make white collar jobs obsolete. but machine learning isn't quite there yet. general AI is still a pipe dream

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 02 May 2020 19:10:20 No.11629221 Report

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>>11628892
>computers as powerful as the human brain cost 1000 dollars
Hmmn... in what sense? My computer sure has more memory than me and can crunch numbers better than me but still can't do abstract thought
>>toilets that read your urine and tell you what diseases you have or are at risk of getting
Not toilets, you can build your urine test kit for diabetes and other disorders for almost nothing
>DNA modification technology that works in fully grown adults, we are supposed to literally be able to genetically modify adults and change their physical form as well as their DNA
Yes we can, is just that it's far easier to create genetic defects than advantages
>all world hunger is solved
Done, it's a distribution problem not a production one
>many many other ridiculous things
Like?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 02 May 2020 19:51:45 No.11629300 Report

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>>11629172
no quote then, huh?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 02 May 2020 20:00:08 No.11629330 Report

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>>11628892
We have every single one of those things, except world hunger, which could easily be solved but we must cant be fucked to do it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 02 May 2020 20:22:05 No.11629399 Report

Quoted By: >>11629522

>>11628335
There are both right.

The intelligence having data about you from internet, can do both, and it's no way predictable which one of that will it do.

But with current data, it seems like it won''t even kill us. It will just torture us.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 02 May 2020 20:24:26 No.11629411 Report

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>>11628694
Based anti-propaganda poster.
Doom sayers are the worst, especially when it comes to muh ai apocalypse.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 02 May 2020 20:50:37 No.11629522 Report

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>>11629399
Torture you with what? With reminding you that you're a sleathy kike who has to be reprogrammed both culturally and genetically?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2QWAJac6RU

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