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IQ tests are wrong for a reason

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 17:54:09 2020 No.11606279 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>11606286 >>11606306 >>11606311 >>11606470 >>11606478 >>11606649 >>11610062 >>11613672 >>11614029 >>11614337 >>11616193

The most important part of the intelligence is our abstract and critical thinking, something not seen in IQ tests. They are mostly about visual, lingual and arithmetic thinking but not the rawest of raw and purest of pure intelligence.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 17:56:13 No.11606286 Report

Quoted By: >>11606297 >>11607128

>>11606279
Proof of any of your claims?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 18:00:20 No.11606297 Report

Quoted By: >>11609029

>>11606286
Visual, lingual and arithmetic thinking are primitive forms that helped us survive. Research Hegel's picture-thinking. True thinking can't be visualized or accessed through any other senses.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 18:04:55 No.11606306 Report

Quoted By: >>11606314 >>11606649

>>11606279
That's why we put a large section of the test dedicated entirely to problems you're extremely unlikely to have seen before, so you have to think for yourself.

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Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 18:06:42 No.11606311 Report

Quoted By: >>11606326 >>11606384 >>11607140

>>11606279
You do not understand psychometrics, I'll give you a definition of intelligence used in psychometrics, and is what, in part, IQ tests analyze:
>Picture related.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 18:07:09 No.11606314 Report

Quoted By: >>11607157

>>11606306
Even at its inception people were aware that these problems are N O T N O V E L and would be piss easy for your average mathematicians/physicist/philosopher.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 18:10:04 No.11606326 Report

Quoted By: >>11606340

>>11606311
Because going from a higher to lower state somehow isn't more accurate. Is this how brainlets cope?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 18:15:33 No.11606340 Report

Quoted By: >>11606351

>>11606326
I'm sorry, who are you again? Oh right, a nobody.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 18:17:00 No.11606351 Report

Quoted By: >>11606370 >>11607145

>>11606340
>Appeal to authority
filtered

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Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 18:23:19 No.11606370 Report

Quoted By: >>11606380 >>11607145 >>11613507

>>11606351
>Not realizing you aren't quite as clever as you think you are.
filtered

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Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 18:25:53 No.11606380 Report

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>>11606370
>still not even one(1) sound argument
You're not even.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 18:26:53 No.11606384 Report

Quoted By: >>11606396

>>11606311
>Puzzle solving is what we mean by intelligence guise!
Well my definition of intelligence defines you as drooling retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 18:29:31 No.11606396 Report

Quoted By: >>11606400

>>11606384
Read the actual definitions, you drooling retard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 18:30:33 No.11606400 Report

Quoted By: >>11606408

>>11606396
Even the person who wrote it couldn't properly describe them you fucking subhuman. You need to read them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 18:34:24 No.11606408 Report

Quoted By: >>11606413

>>11606400
Lmao, /sci/ really does have the biggest ego, eh? Get over yourself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 18:36:09 No.11606413 Report

Quoted By: >>11606417

>>11606408
>damage control

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 18:38:36 No.11606417 Report

Quoted By: >>11606426

>>11606413
Not really, Taleb. You just think too highly of yourself, you unironically think you know more about the field of psychometrics than e largest scientific and professional organization of psychologists in the United States. That is hilarious.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 18:39:22 No.11606418 Report

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my iq is 155 stay mad

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 18:43:16 No.11606426 Report

Quoted By: >>11606446

>>11606417
>he still can't comprehend it
Taleb argues for a completely different thing, pseud.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 18:50:06 No.11606446 Report

Quoted By: >>11606455

>>11606426
Not him but it took me a while to understand the relevance of the picture either. I had a moment of self doubt there and I briefly considered the possibility my reading comprehension finally broke completely. Maybe there's some mysterious linguistic subtlety that makes it unintentionally difficult to understand, I don't know. I'm also on adderall and no sleep so I'll leave it to you to figure out. I'm going to bed now, good night.

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Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 18:55:55 No.11606455 Report

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>>11606446
>now he is impersonating other people to save face

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Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 19:03:15 No.11606470 Report

Quoted By: >>11606482

>>11606279
Nice strawman, no professional or expert claims that IQ tests 100% test intelligence, which is why the modules of IQ tests have different g-loadings. But yeah, you probably didn't know that, or if you did, probably didn't understand it. Unless, of course, you are just being a disingenuous fuck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 19:06:29 No.11606478 Report

Quoted By: >>11606482

>>11606279
recognizing patterns is abstract thinking
making sure you've got it right and not what seemed right is critical thinking

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 19:08:37 No.11606482 Report

Quoted By: >>11606484

>>11606470
>>11606478
>exposing your reading disability that easy
we live in a society

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 19:10:33 No.11606484 Report

Quoted By: >>11606487

>>11606482
Try again. Your premise is that "they", whoever that is, claim that IQ tests 100% test intelligence, but hat isn't claimed by those in the know. So, if you are talking about the laymen, what exactly is the point of your post? Try again, DK.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 19:11:35 No.11606487 Report

Quoted By: >>11606493 >>11606539

>>11606484
>what exactly is the point of your post?
The IQ thread.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 19:14:22 No.11606493 Report

Quoted By: >>11606502

>>11606487
Which you don't make clear in your OP, it just looks like an attack on the concept of IQ from a false premise. You might want to work on your writing, and if you proofread it, your reading comprehension also.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 19:17:27 No.11606502 Report

Quoted By: >>11606508

>>11606493
>false premise
It is. Since you're a bit slower, try meditating for a while on it and maybe you will comprehend it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 19:20:49 No.11606508 Report

Quoted By: >>11606517

>>11606502
>My writing is so poor, it requires you to commune with the universe to understand.
Once again, my overblown self-important simpleton, you might want to work on your writing. Since you are trying to convey a clear message, write with brevity, this isn't some literature thread, or a poetry discussion. Although, such frivolities may fit your "disposition" better.
Now, stay down, boy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 19:23:25 No.11606517 Report

Quoted By: >>11606526 >>11613577

>>11606508
I laid it as simple as possible because I expected retards like you to not get it. How do I know you're obviously low IQ? Because you lack even the most basic integrity to read and comprehend what this thread is about. I want to help people realize on what to focus and yet faggots like you come and screech as if I have taken their lunch, fucking pseuds, man.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 19:25:45 No.11606526 Report

Quoted By: >>11606527 >>11606539

>>11606517
Oh dear, oh dear, you just don't learn? Where exactly do you make it clear in your OP that this is solely about IQ threads, and not about meaningful claims? Oh wait, you don't, and you don't because you are a moron, and who thinks far too highly of themselves. I warned you, and I warned you fairly, stop with this charade. You have been outed, and proven either an idiot or disingenuous. Which is it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 19:27:11 No.11606527 Report

Quoted By: >>11606539

>>11606526
>solely
ONCE AGAIN, ITS NOT SOLELY ABOUT THEM, M O R O N.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 19:29:53 No.11606539 Report

Quoted By: >>11606546

>>11606527
But you said: >>11606487
You literally said, in reply to "what exactly is the point of your post", that the point was to address "the IQ thread". Do you know what that means? It means you are disingenuous, thank you for answering >>11606526, how kind of you. You are a M O R O N.

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Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 19:31:25 No.11606546 Report

Quoted By: >>11606554

>>11606539
But I still criticize IQ tests, retard. I can't believe someone can be this uppity when they can't even read and think.

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Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 19:34:23 No.11606554 Report

Quoted By: >>11606572

>>11606546
I asked directly what you meant by the OP, you told me, so now you are saying that you lied? Nice to know you have no integrity. Also, why bother criticizing IQ tests, when as said above, no one in the know claims that IQ tests 100% test intelligence. To show off? Okay, nice... and pointless. Go read up on g-loading, you self-important faggot.

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Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 19:39:24 No.11606572 Report

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>>11606554
>lied
>he doesn't even know how his language works
This is a gold mine, sadly I'm going to sleep.
>not 100%
>when its actually 0
I'm trying to help you, think before posting or you will embarrass yourself somewhere in real life.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 20:13:20 No.11606649 Report

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>>11606279
>>11606306
IQ tests only test sensitivity to patterns. People oversensitive to seeing patterns with atrocious ability to spot which patterns are real and which are not will still score high, while those with extremely skeptical witing may be disadvantaged and score low.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 23:27:35 No.11607128 Report

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>>11606286
>imagining proof exists outside of math

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 23:30:07 No.11607140 Report

Quoted By: >>11609563

>>11606311
This is why successful businessmen are actually far smarter than generally given credit.
It takes incredible intelligence to organize hundreds of people and millions of dollars in PPE.
Moron commies think they can just take the plant over and it keeps running just as before.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 23:31:09 No.11607145 Report

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>>11606351
>>11606370
filtered.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 23:34:14 No.11607157 Report

Quoted By: >>11609064

>>11606314
Provide evidence for the claim that it’s easy for those groups

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Apr 2020 14:01:23 No.11609029 Report

Quoted By: >>11609162

>>11606297
You can't seriously think that this word salad is a proof.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Apr 2020 14:13:26 No.11609064 Report

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>>11607157
These groups score higher than every other

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Apr 2020 14:48:47 No.11609162 Report

Quoted By: >>11609474

>>11609029
You can't seriously have this low reading comprehension and then have the nerve to post in this thread.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Apr 2020 16:11:53 No.11609474 Report

Quoted By: >>11609498

>>11609162
>still hasn't posted proof for his claims

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Apr 2020 16:19:00 No.11609498 Report

Quoted By: >>11609507

>>11609474
>give him source
>no proof

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Apr 2020 16:21:14 No.11609507 Report

Quoted By: >>11609522

>>11609498
Wait, you think that "Hegel's picture-thinking" is source that IQ tests don't test abstract and critical thinking?
Holy shit you really are something special aren't you?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Apr 2020 16:24:31 No.11609522 Report

Quoted By: >>11609525 >>11609535

>>11609507
Wait, you haven not read what is it about yet continue to spew bullshit. Are you even sentient?

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Anonymous Mon 27 Apr 2020 16:27:07 No.11609525 Report

Quoted By: >>11609532 >>11614257

>>11609522
Dude, you think that IQ tests don't test intelligence. Just take the L already.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Apr 2020 16:28:19 No.11609532 Report

Quoted By: >>11609535

>>11609525
Probably made a big drool after this post, huh?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Apr 2020 16:28:54 No.11609535 Report

Quoted By: >>11609540

>>11609532
meant for>>11609522

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Apr 2020 16:29:57 No.11609540 Report

Quoted By: >>11609545

>>11609535
Are you drowning from all the saliva?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Apr 2020 16:30:53 No.11609545 Report

Quoted By: >>11609555

>>11609540
>The absolute state of IQ deniers
You probably think Taleb is smart

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Apr 2020 16:33:21 No.11609555 Report

Quoted By: >>11609571 >>11610076

>>11609545
Faggot, I D O N ' T D E N Y T H E V A L I D I T Y O F I Q, J U S T T H E W A Y T H E T E S T S A R E F O R M E D.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Apr 2020 16:36:03 No.11609563 Report

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>>11607140
The 'commies' did succed at that. When you take a well off people from both, the capitalist one will look gloriously wealthy compared to the commie one. But the average Joe from the commie country will be far better off.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Apr 2020 16:38:35 No.11609571 Report

Quoted By: >>11609579 >>11610076

>>11609555
You deny the way the tests are formed? That doesn't even mean anything. You seriously don't know what you are talking about.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Apr 2020 16:40:07 No.11609579 Report

Quoted By: >>11609585 >>11610076

>>11609571
...

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Anonymous Mon 27 Apr 2020 16:41:24 No.11609585 Report

Quoted By: >>11609598 >>11610076

>>11609579
The smartest thing you wrote ITT

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Apr 2020 16:43:42 No.11609598 Report

Quoted By: >>11609603 >>11610076

>>11609585
>can't read
>its other people who are dumb
Yep. People like you are the reason why everything is so shit nowadays.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Apr 2020 16:46:08 No.11609603 Report

Quoted By: >>11609615 >>11610076

>>11609598
>what I said isn't what I meant
>y-you just can't read

Like talking to a brick wall, amazing.
Alright I'm out, you can have a last word if you like

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Apr 2020 16:49:22 No.11609615 Report

Quoted By: >>11610076

>>11609603
Great, you finally realized how wrong you're. Maybe one day you will get the magical powers to visualize abstract concepts and even flip them in thousand of ways and infinite dimensions.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Apr 2020 19:00:49 No.11610062 Report

Quoted By: >>11610102

>>11606279
All these retards are trying to find what intelligence "is". But it was US that first came up with the idea of intelligence, and attached certain aspects to identify it with. That is to say, we should not "find out" what intelligence is, we should DEFINE it, then RANK people using the CRITERIA we have tautologically DEFINED IT AS HAVING. THIS is what IQ tests do.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Apr 2020 19:03:57 No.11610076 Report

Quoted By: >>11610102

>>11609603
>>11609598
>>11609585
>>11609579
>>11609571
>>11609555
>>11609615
And the reason why stupid fights like this happen is because each party involved is DEFINING intelligence using DIFFERENT CRITERIA, because ULTIMATELY, ALL DEFINITIONS OF INTELLIGENCE ARE DIFFERENT, since they are coming from DIFFERENT brains, with DIFFERENT memories and DIFFERENT thoughts.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Apr 2020 19:13:01 No.11610102 Report

Quoted By: >>11610117

>>11610062
Intelligence is evolutionary and thus some of it can be purer. The one with no stimuli is purest as it focus on the very activity of thinking.
>>11610076
No, its not about subjectivity. My thread is about the purity of intelligence and the most concrete and accurate way of thinking.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Apr 2020 19:18:57 No.11610117 Report

Quoted By: >>11612150

>>11610102
>Intelligence is evolutionary
It doesn't matter if it is "evolutionary", it was still you who seperated it from other phoenomena based on aspects that you yourself defined it to have.
>No, its not about subjectivity. My thread is about the purity of intelligence and the most concrete and accurate way of thinking.
There is no "pure" intelligence, there is only you who has defined some set of aspects as "pure" and demonstrating "concrete" thinking. "Concrete", "absolute" thinking is defined by you in the same manner: tautologically corresponding to aspects you yourself chose.

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Anonymous Tue 28 Apr 2020 11:05:05 No.11612150 Report

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>>11610117
>It doesn't matter if it is "evolutionary"
But it does though.
>thinking is defined by you in the same manner
Subjectivity is not your helper here. Relative to our knowledge an our goal there is. I don't know why are trying to argue against that when you can't make a sound argument.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Apr 2020 19:51:48 No.11613507 Report

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>>11606370

eeeew

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Anonymous Tue 28 Apr 2020 20:03:49 No.11613557 Report

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what is the point of iq tests? it isnt to see what kids have potential because the economy hires duhversity and not due to merit.

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Anonymous Tue 28 Apr 2020 20:12:26 No.11613577 Report

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>>11606517
>The most important part of the intelligence is our abstract and critical thinking, something not seen in IQ tests.
>They are mostly about visual, lingual and arithmetic thinking but not the rawest of raw and purest of pure intelligence.

>How do I know you're obviously low IQ?

rly? dolan, pls. u kno hes lo iq but reely u don see is pur intello

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Apr 2020 20:41:43 No.11613672 Report

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>>11606279
Iq tests can't measure creativity, just correlational thinking.
But correlational thinking is quite needed for a USEFUL creativity.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Apr 2020 22:17:05 No.11614029 Report

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>>11606279
I can confirm. I scored 100% on my IQ test but I still struggle with science things

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Apr 2020 23:21:48 No.11614257 Report

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>>11609525
not the guy you're insulting but go back

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Apr 2020 23:44:24 No.11614337 Report

Quoted By: >>11615959

>>11606279
Everyone knows IQ tests are wrong because the political and social implications make me uncomfortable duh

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Apr 2020 10:15:30 No.11615959 Report

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>>11614337
Huh?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Apr 2020 12:16:28 No.11616193 Report

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>>11606279
There is so much deviation in the IQ tests I take. The lowest I've scored is 115 & the highest I've scored is 136.

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