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Gelfand or Lang?

Anonymous Sat 25 Apr 16:47:59 2020 No.11602636 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>11602642 >>11602949 >>11602979 >>11605750 >>11606683 >>11608241

Does this chart say I should do either the Gelfand treatment or Basic Mathematics by Serge Lang? Or does it mean read all the Gelfand books then proceed to Basic Mathematics?

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Anonymous Sat 25 Apr 2020 16:50:58 No.11602642 Report

Quoted By: >>11606604

>>11602636
Start with the Greeks

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Anonymous Sat 25 Apr 2020 18:31:49 No.11602942 Report

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bump

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Anonymous Sat 25 Apr 2020 18:34:27 No.11602949 Report

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>>11602636
This is such a meme list. But yes it is saying either Gefland or Lang.

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Anonymous Sat 25 Apr 2020 18:49:19 No.11602979 Report

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>>11602636
>Does this chart say I should do either the Gelfand treatment or Basic Mathematics by Serge Lang?
Lang is a meme.

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Anonymous Sat 25 Apr 2020 18:49:21 No.11602980 Report

Quoted By: >>11605217

>>11602949
Is there a better chart or list of books that you'd recommend?

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Anonymous Sat 25 Apr 2020 18:52:21 No.11602990 Report

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>>11602949
Second thid

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Anonymous Sat 25 Apr 2020 18:55:46 No.11602996 Report

Quoted By: >>11603002 >>11603216 >>11604244 >>11604246

Honestly, a non-meme list for people wanting to get a good, comprehensive understanding of mathematics from basics to an undergrad level would be really nice.

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Anonymous Sat 25 Apr 2020 18:57:56 No.11603002 Report

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>>11602996
Read Euclid and Euler's Algebra.
Then just pick whatever are your favourite beginning undergrad books.

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Anonymous Sat 25 Apr 2020 20:02:55 No.11603216 Report

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>>11602996
pretty much every list there is will get called a meme list by someone

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Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 01:42:32 No.11604112 Report

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>>11603002
This is incredibly stupid.

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Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 02:02:22 No.11604165 Report

Quoted By: >>11604218

why james stewart?

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Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 02:21:06 No.11604218 Report

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>>11604165
There are other variants of this image floating around with spivak/apostol

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Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 02:32:55 No.11604244 Report

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>>11602996
The one in OP isn't actually that bad just a bit slow at the start with all the precalculus stuff.

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Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 02:33:50 No.11604246 Report

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>>11602996
We already made one of those

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Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 10:01:54 No.11605217 Report

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>>11602980

Get Engineering Mathematics by K. A. Stroud. Work through it linearly or simply revise what you need to know from it. Following that, for advanced topics simply buy a specialised book that covers it.

Also get a book that teaches you how to write proofs e.g. How to Prove it by Velleman.

This graph is just useless elitism. You will be overwhelmed by the quantity and you'll give up. Stroud's book is one book that you can work through and keep your focus.

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Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 13:04:07 No.11605570 Report

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>>11605217
>This graph is just useless elitism.
No its not, everything after "a primer" is just completing the requirements you need to study graduate level math. Past "a journey" is where you're supposed to specialize, not go through everything listed in its entirety.

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Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 14:35:31 No.11605750 Report

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>>11602636
neither.

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Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 19:37:10 No.11606567 Report

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>>11604112
So are you, but you won't see me saying it

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Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 19:57:06 No.11606604 Report

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>>11602642
unironically reading greek math, particularly euclidean geometry is an incredibly formative experience.

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Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 20:24:56 No.11606683 Report

Quoted By: >>11607071 >>11607279

>>11602636
Get Gelfand and Lang if you want.

Gelfand writes in a friendly tone and takes you on a bit of a journey. His books sort of have a narrative feel to them, they're very linear and streamlined. He provides many answers to his problems. His books are nice and short but packed full of information.

Lang cuts the crap and gives you everything you need. He doesn't provide many answers to the problems and oftentimes the difficulty of the problems seem disproportionate to the explanations he provides. He seems to expect you to do a lot of work. Lang's book also includes information that is not included in the Gelfand books shown (mappings and matrices, for example).

Ultimately they're two very good educators. People here might argue that reading both of them is a silly idea, but I think you would benefit immensely from reading both.

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Anonymous Sun 26 Apr 2020 23:01:22 No.11607071 Report

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>>11606683
thanks for an actual answer, man

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Anonymous Mon 27 Apr 2020 00:29:08 No.11607279 Report

Quoted By: >>11607326

>>11606683
You seem like you know what you’re talking about. Just yesterday I was wondering, how’s the AoPS come into the picture in this case, as an math introductory curriculum?

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Anonymous Mon 27 Apr 2020 00:50:20 No.11607326 Report

Quoted By: >>11607331 >>11609140

>>11607279
Try my meme curriculum https://learnaifromscratch.github.io/math.html
We're doing some wildberger for the lelz, and Tao's Analysis I. Sometime this week we'll start Strang's Calculus.

AoPS is really good, hard to find their fucking books on libgen.is though it's all terribal scans that are huge in size. Gelfand is OK, I've done Algebra and the cartesian coord book and there's some difficult as shit exercises in there but they mostly assume that you already know the material from a full course somewhere. Lang there is problems in errata, so if you know this going in it's fine otherwise you'll be WHY ISNT THIS CORRECT but you are actually correct

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Anonymous Mon 27 Apr 2020 00:52:33 No.11607331 Report

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>>11607326
*terribad
Can't type on this phone.
>>11606604
It is although Euclid had a really different idea about geometry than us, he didn't consider 'distance' just superimposing one shape on to another, so this makes it a little more eye opening for me anyway.

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Anonymous Mon 27 Apr 2020 07:15:59 No.11608241 Report

Quoted By: >>11609120 >>11609506

>>11602636
Book thread?

This was posted on /biz/.
Based or cringe?

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Anonymous Mon 27 Apr 2020 14:33:44 No.11609120 Report

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>>11608241
X for Y books are usually terrible, just study X decently. Plus I don't like that Game Theory book.

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Anonymous Mon 27 Apr 2020 14:42:52 No.11609140 Report

Quoted By: >>11609226

>>11607326
Currently watching Wildeberger's algebraic calculus in the affine plane, very finite, just how I like it.

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Anonymous Mon 27 Apr 2020 15:02:48 No.11609226 Report

Quoted By: >>11609490

>>11609140
That sounds strange. For which finite affine plane does "algebraic calculus" make sense?

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Anonymous Mon 27 Apr 2020 16:17:05 No.11609490 Report

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>>11609226
meme
wildberger is the enemy of infinite

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Anonymous Mon 27 Apr 2020 16:21:10 No.11609506 Report

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>>11608241
Mankiw is good for noobs and Capniski is good

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Anonymous Tue 28 Apr 2020 01:13:45 No.11611054 Report

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How about CLRS?

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