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Anonymous Tue 21 Apr 05:37:00 2020 No.11587055 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>11587081 >>11587788 >>11587836 >>11587978 >>11588058 >>11589166 >>11589336

Scientifically speaking, is there any substance to the anti-5g conspiracy theories?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Apr 2020 05:44:18 No.11587065 Report

Quoted By: >>11587081

No, 5g operates in the frequencies between 4g and your wifi. If you didn't get cancer from using your phone at home or outside, you likely won't get it with this thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Apr 2020 05:48:10 No.11587071 Report

Quoted By: >>11587081 >>11587818 >>11587862 >>11589268 >>11589410 >>11589561

there's lots of substance to it, just not the substance that's being propagated

All 5g systems are produced in China. All Chinese companies are actually arms of the Chinese government. The fear is any government that installs their equipment in their nation will be compromised by the Chinese government. This is not unreasonable as the Chinese government has been caught doing this in the past.

This is the conspiracy theory that conspiracy theory minded people can easily understand. However it's not the one the Chinese government wants circulating around the internet. So they created their own conspiracy theory that's more easily defeated. The one where it causes cancer and babies brains to melt. This is the straw man they have created. Now all debate by sane rational minded people is about telling everyone how safe 5g is, which is exactly what the Chinese government wants.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Apr 2020 05:51:46 No.11587081 Report

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>>11587055
>>11587065
>>11587071

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwyDCHf5iCY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwyDCHf5iCY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwyDCHf5iCY

also:

https://www.mediafire.com/folder/dj875cd10yb72/EMF

> https://www.mediafire.com/folder/dj875cd10yb72/EMF

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https://www.mediafire.com/folder/dj875cd10yb72/EMF

> https://www.mediafire.com/folder/dj875cd10yb72/EMF

https://www.mediafire.com/folder/dj875cd10yb72/EMF

> https://www.mediafire.com/folder/dj875cd10yb72/EMF

Huge resource of scientific documents and studies.

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Anonymous Tue 21 Apr 2020 13:23:33 No.11587788 Report

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>>11587055
Its hype turns you into a soiboy

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Anonymous Tue 21 Apr 2020 13:40:33 No.11587818 Report

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>>11587071
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Anonymous Tue 21 Apr 2020 13:50:21 No.11587836 Report

Quoted By: >>11589268

>>11587055
There's no scientific paper proving 5g is safe. There's no scientific paper proving 4g/3g/2g is safe either. They're pushed to public because studies have become political and politicians are influenced by money.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Apr 2020 14:00:45 No.11587862 Report

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>>11587071

You're spot-on. Only NSA surveillance for me, thanks!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Apr 2020 14:32:41 No.11587978 Report

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>>11587055
1g 2g 3g they cause cancer

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Apr 2020 14:57:53 No.11588058 Report

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>>11587055
scientists found 5g kills humans within 20 years in breakthrough studies but were quickly silenced by the government and all their data is now lost.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Apr 2020 20:44:46 No.11589166 Report

Quoted By: >>11589268

>>11587055
depends on the conspiracy.
Can 5G be harmful to you, sure, if you're susceptible to that kind of radiation at those frequencies.
But these are the few and far between, maybe 1500 people on the whole planet.
Hardly a reason not to improve on the technology.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Apr 2020 21:09:19 No.11589268 Report

Quoted By: >>11589432

>>11589166
hypersensitivity to electromagnetic radiation has been proven to be just a case of hysteria. the people who claim to be affected also get the same symptoms when exposed to placebo.

>>11587836
there have been big studies showing no relation between cell phone use and brain cancer. it would not be difficult to prove, after all these decades.

>>11587071
this sums it up

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Anonymous Tue 21 Apr 2020 21:30:49 No.11589336 Report

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>>11587055
The thing about 5G is it can operate on a very wide range of frequencies. Some of them could be pretty effective at causing disease or cancer (e.g. non-thermal protein interactions) but it's insanely hard to prove anything like that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Apr 2020 21:52:09 No.11589406 Report

Quoted By: >>11589423

Plant. Growth. Experiments.
There's lots of them on YouTube and infographs summarizing the experiments. Leave a plant next to a WiFi router and compare to a control plant. And some plants die if exclusively watered with microwaved water. Isn't this the heart of science - to verify things with experiments, rather than sit around theorizing why the 5G shill science is correct. There's a lot of money behind rolling this out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Apr 2020 21:52:36 No.11589410 Report

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>>11587071
How about this conspiracy theory?
5G bad theory is being promoted by competing companies, pulling a thomas Edison on the Chinese. Brits cancelled their contract with China and made one with Ericsson instead. If 5G is bad why do this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Apr 2020 21:56:10 No.11589423 Report

Quoted By: >>11589441

>>11589406
>And some plants die if exclusively watered with microwaved water

If you control for temperature, lighting, position, have more than one sample, and properly randomize where the plants are placed, there's no difference. This has been thoroughly debunked dozens of times over.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/microwave-water-plants/

Using bad experiments to push a crank narrative is the definition of cargo cult science.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Apr 2020 21:59:22 No.11589432 Report

Quoted By: >>11589443

>>11589268
Umm pretty sure you can learn to feel EMF. Many people claim their head feels different after a long cell phone call, and can feel their emotional state change for the worse if they stand next to a microwave

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Apr 2020 22:01:43 No.11589441 Report

Quoted By: >>11589446

>>11589423
You do know Snopes is some smug autist with a cat right. The point is this is an easy experiment anyone can verify, and a lot of people show dramatic differences.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Apr 2020 22:02:10 No.11589443 Report

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>>11589432
>Many people claim their head feels different after a long cell phone call, and can feel their emotional state change for the worse if they stand next to a microwave

If you tested this with a sham microwave that makes the noise and lights but emits no EMF, they would still say their emotional state changes. People have done well-controlled experiments on folks that claim to be sickened by powerlines and none can tell the difference between EMF on and EMF off.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Apr 2020 22:03:34 No.11589446 Report

Quoted By: >>11589469

>>11589441
>You do know Snopes is some smug autist with a cat right. The point is this is an easy experiment anyone can verify, and a lot of people show dramatic differences.

A lot of people show dramatic differences because a lot of these experiments are conducted by dumb middle-aged soccermoms who don't understand how experimental controls work.

Garbage x Replication = Lots of Garbage

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Apr 2020 22:10:53 No.11589469 Report

Quoted By: >>11589606

>>11589446
You should move the wifi router right under your pillow and see how you feel in a months then if your so sure no health effects.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Apr 2020 22:15:44 No.11589477 Report

Quoted By: >>11589524 >>11590294

What about Tim Ferris - claims his sperm count went up dramatically when turning his cellphone off in his pocket and not placing his laptop over his balls. Can Snopes debunk Tim Ferris on this?

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Anonymous Tue 21 Apr 2020 22:25:39 No.11589507 Report

Quoted By: >>11589521

There are scientific books on health effects of EMF exposure written by doctors. One of the effects caused is loss of voltage in cells as the cells absorb the EMF energy. The cell voltage is analogous to charge in a battery, and so that is a direct health impact, on a cellular level, even if ionization or inflammation does not occur as an immediate effect

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Apr 2020 22:31:39 No.11589521 Report

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>>11589507
>One of the effects caused is loss of voltage in cells as the cells absorb the EMF energy. The cell voltage is analogous to charge in a battery, and so that is a direct health impact, on a cellular level, even if ionization or inflammation does not occur as an immediate effect

This is written exactly like someone who has never taken physics or biology.

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Anonymous Tue 21 Apr 2020 22:32:21 No.11589524 Report

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does orgonite help? :^)
>>11589477

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Anonymous Tue 21 Apr 2020 22:44:26 No.11589561 Report

Quoted By: >>11590283

>>11587071
>All 5g systems are produced in China. All Chinese companies are actually arms of the Chinese government. The fear is any government that installs their equipment in their nation will be compromised by the Chinese government.
Do you have the same objection to all other chinese manufacture electronics? Like for instance your mobile phone or laptop?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Apr 2020 23:04:14 No.11589606 Report

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>>11589469
If it wouldn't screw with my signal and necessitate moving my network setup, I would be glad to do it to prove a point.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Apr 2020 03:55:34 No.11590283 Report

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>>11589561
>Do you have the same objection to all other chinese manufacture electronics?
you mean like huawei?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Apr 2020 03:58:54 No.11590294 Report

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>>11589477
Hot ass laptop on his balls lowered his spermcount, would be my guess.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Apr 2020 07:28:37 No.11590741 Report

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>>11587788
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