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Hyperloop

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 09:07:39 2020 No.11560324 View Reply Original Report

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Do you guys think the Hyperloop will become a thing in the next 5 years?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 12:01:00 No.11560564 Report

Quoted By: >>11562014

>>11560324
I worked there so no, cash grab

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 12:03:08 No.11560565 Report

Quoted By: >>11564737

zero chance.
its an old discarded concept reinvented for media hype nothing "revolutionary" about it

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 12:05:18 No.11560568 Report

Quoted By: >>11561986 >>11562518

>>11560324
You'd need to weight the cost:speed against airlines.

You tell me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 12:45:21 No.11560618 Report

Quoted By: >>11560623 >>11560673 >>11560738 >>11565107

>>11560324
I don't see it widespread as it would compete with existing transportation means. It could fill niche situations, though. Like in large, dense urban sprawls where planes, hs trains, slow subways are not fit/practical.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 12:47:12 No.11560623 Report

Quoted By: >>11564650

>>11560618
This.
It could work for like unloading shipping crates from a floating dock or something in a gulf or port

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 13:24:35 No.11560673 Report

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>>11560618
>Like in large, dense urban sprawls
Also known as Europe and Asia.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 14:03:28 No.11560738 Report

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>>11560618
might help ease housing prices in SF, NY, or seattle.
Or just create another housing bubble/commuter town

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 14:04:09 No.11560741 Report

Quoted By: >>11560755

>>11560324
No. It is a retarded idea.
LITERALLY just build a train, this isn't so fucking hard...

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Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 14:10:25 No.11560755 Report

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>>11560741
Building a train is ridiculously fucking hard in the Western world today. You'll be a pensioner before any rail project started today gets finished in the US.
Meanwhile China builds high speed rail like its nothing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 14:13:18 No.11560760 Report

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>>11560755
>Building a train is ridiculously fucking hard in the Western world today.
So the solution to that is building a train, but in an enclosed tube which has to be under constant negative pressure, is extremely hard to manufacture, ridiculous hard to maintain and a literal death trap if there is a single leak in it?
What the fuck?

>Meanwhile China builds high speed rail like its nothing.
Then it is a legislation problem. But you don't fix legislation problems by trying to figure out ridiculous ways to circumvent it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 21:53:20 No.11561986 Report

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>>11560568
You forget airspace is already crowded to capacity. If you want to move more people you need bigger aircrafts since more aircrafts will not do.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 22:02:58 No.11562014 Report

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>>11560564
What's wrong with it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 23:02:28 No.11562184 Report

Quoted By: >>11562212

>>11560755
>Meanwhile China builds high speed rail like its nothing.
China also has lower standards for both labor and materials. It's easy to build anything much faster there. I'm amazed at how few accidents they have.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2020 23:09:40 No.11562212 Report

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>>11562184
few accidents? unless you mean things on the level of nuclear meltdowns, head on over to a "china rekt" /gif/ thread and prepare to be amazed

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 01:18:24 No.11562483 Report

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>>11560755
I wouldn't say like nothing - China's state owned rail company has racked up more than $700 billion in debt building it out, and relies on constant government subsidies to operate; the amount they collect from fares barely covers the interest on the loans. Passenger rail in general is a giant money pit, and costs a lot more than aircraft, automobiles, or buses to move people around.

That would also apply to the hyperloop. Something like the hyperloop would only make sense if you were building a system where the atmosphere was already really thin, too thin for conventional aircraft, and you didn't have to worry about acquiring the land from its current owners. Like Mars.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 01:25:38 No.11562501 Report

Quoted By: >>11562528

>>11560324
not with California's NIMBY ordinances.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 01:31:06 No.11562518 Report

Quoted By: >>11564311

>>11560568
I don't see trains/buses/cars being defunct. How will hyperloop be defunct?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 01:39:44 No.11562528 Report

Quoted By: >>11562617

>>11562501
If they can build underground or near existing highways, they'd be set.

>>11562483
$700 billion is nothing when you consider the scale/speed at which they build their high speed railway system. Any western equivalent would cost $100+ trillion for similar system/speed. Literally. $100 B+ is what few miles of Californian "high speed" railway would have costed. Californian "high speed" railway also started before China started their national high speed railway, but is still not finished yet. China has built sofar ~24,000 miles of high speed bullet train railways. California has been planning "120" miles of "high speed" railways. I use "high speed" for because it will be the slowest highspeed rail in the world, if it gets completed.

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Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 01:44:40 No.11562538 Report

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>>11560324
hyperloop is the only thing thunderf00t is unironically right on along with solar roadways, its fucking retarded

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 02:10:32 No.11562607 Report

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>>11562538
Flat Earth Society is the only thing right about conspiracy theories along with NSA spying on everyone, round earth is fucking retarded.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 02:16:41 No.11562617 Report

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>>11562528
I think it is more of a American thing, france was able to make new subways that were much much cheaper then New York. Somthing similar is happening in California too I think.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2017/12/28/nyregion/new-york-subway-construction-costs.amp.html

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 02:49:19 No.11562689 Report

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>>11561986
>you need bigger aircrafts since more aircrafts will not do.
Except the market has shown that the concept of bigger planes has failed, and everyone is ditching the A380.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 04:18:45 No.11562909 Report

Quoted By: >>11565032

>>11562014
They can’t get it to turn, also the electromagnetic brake system needs along of development. Besides that it’s just overly managed middle managed college student tier projects like scale models/ props for investor bait

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 06:30:44 No.11563138 Report

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>>11562617
Its corruption but codified. Every little stakeholder gets their cut and this makes the price go up. Its how USA does democracy in this era.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 06:37:31 No.11563149 Report

Quoted By: >>11563754

>>11560324

Wouldn't hyperloop make more sense for delivering goods than people?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 13:31:02 No.11563754 Report

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>>11563149
If it can deliver goods, then it can deliver people. Why do you think people shouldn't use cheap fast transportation?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 14:08:10 No.11563832 Report

Quoted By: >>11564030

>>11560324
In a Post-Covid world, not a chance.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 15:27:09 No.11564030 Report

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>>11563832
The virus itself will be gone in an year once we have the vaccine.
The economic crisis is only temporary.

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Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 16:27:37 No.11564154 Report

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>>11560324
With the way things are going currently, I think it's best to just update our current modes of transportation to be just as fast, if not better, than Japan's. Don't fix something that's broken, instead improve on it and make it even faster.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 16:36:33 No.11564173 Report

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>>11562483
Hyperloop might work if Musk's Boring Company is able to reduce tunneling costs by at least an order of magnitude and probably requires two OOM reduction in cost. Going underground doesn't eliminate all of the engineering issues (and introduces some new ones) but it's pretty much not viable on the surface of Earth.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 16:42:22 No.11564188 Report

Quoted By: >>11564326

>>11564030
The great unanswered question is if we're going to keep getting mutations of it and other coronaviruses. Globalization is difficult to continue if it brings a new pandemic every couple of years. The next one might not be so innocuous.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 17:21:42 No.11564311 Report

Quoted By: >>11564445

>>11562518
>How will hyperloop be defunct?

It was never a thing to begin with unlike all those other forms of transport you listed. It was irrelevant from the start.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 17:25:19 No.11564326 Report

Quoted By: >>11569562

>>11564188

Isn't there a high chance that the second wave could be deadlier due the amount of people being infected means more chances of a more aggressive strain?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 17:29:28 No.11564341 Report

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Very challenging mass transit environment, the odds are against it in the short term. Too bad, if it works could be very useful.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 18:08:45 No.11564445 Report

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>>11564311
How is that valid against cost:speed argument? Or was that just you being a retarded nigger?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 19:21:05 No.11564650 Report

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>>11560623
>unloading shipping crates
the speed seems kinda wasted if it's bottlenecked by slow turnover

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 19:47:04 No.11564737 Report

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>>11560565
>its an old discarded concept reinvented for media hype
It was literally started by Elong Musktard and his cult-like following

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 21:15:10 No.11565032 Report

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>>11562909
Why would they want it to turn?
Why do those brakes need to be electromagnetic?

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Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 21:40:59 No.11565107 Report

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>>11560618
I could see it going up and down coastal cities.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 21:53:20 No.11565141 Report

Quoted By: >>11566867

>>11560324
Nothing is going to be possible in the next 5 years, especially in the west. We are heading for another major recession at the very least, and we still haven''t fully recovered from the last one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 22:01:29 No.11565162 Report

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>>11560324
Absolutely yes

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2020 22:14:25 No.11565183 Report

Quoted By: >>11566715

>>11560324
No because Elon Musk as the most obvious hack in the history of technology.

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Anonymous Wed 15 Apr 2020 08:42:42 No.11566715 Report

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>>11565183

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Anonymous Wed 15 Apr 2020 08:55:25 No.11566731 Report

Quoted By: >>11566806

My money is on Skytran instead OP. Skytran is doable

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Apr 2020 09:45:01 No.11566806 Report

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>>11566731
Only I do not want to sit in a capsule where who knows who sat before me. I need my own capsule, so pneumatic mail for big boxes will be placed by tubes we don't want to use for oil anymore.
We don't really know that Hyperloop cannot make the soil go down. We, the dilettantes, some other dilettantes make the decisions if their city needs it.
The solution to that would be that it would go under roads - and now I understand why they want it to turn. They can solve it if they make it only under strait roads. and those who want to go ortogonally would have to stop at a station when his car can be turned on safer speed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Apr 2020 10:27:33 No.11566867 Report

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>>11565141
This isn't a financial crisis and economy will recover as quickly as it went down.
One year from now you won't even remember it.

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Anonymous Wed 15 Apr 2020 10:34:43 No.11566878 Report

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monorail!

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Apr 2020 17:59:09 No.11567897 Report

Quoted By: >>11569567

>>11560324
Vacuum trains have been The Next Big Thing for at least 60 years now. Hyperloop is just the latest, even more hand-wavy, version. Still, if anyone can make it happen, it's the Elon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Apr 2020 18:02:52 No.11567912 Report

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>>11560760
>Then it is a legislation problem. But you don't fix legislation problems by trying to figure out ridiculous ways to circumvent it.
It's a giant ball of issues in the US. Surface-grade train routes are already taken by freight. There are cows and wildlife here. There's massive property and eminent domain issues. When Amtrak was building the Acela line in the Northeast Corridor, they initially wanted a French TGV train but couldn't purchase the land needed for the turning radius because the surrounding land is all houses and factories and would have cost hundreds of billions just for land and lawsuits.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Apr 2020 18:08:21 No.11567933 Report

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>>11560324
maybe in 50 years
the most likely engineering related feat we'll witness in 5 years is the increasing robotization of certain human-majority industries

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Anonymous Wed 15 Apr 2020 18:10:04 No.11567940 Report

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>>11560324
Didn't Elon Musk make a prototype and it was just an underground tunnel with cars on rails?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Apr 2020 19:44:26 No.11568287 Report

Quoted By: >>11568580

>>11560324
no
it's possible to make it, but it's not cost effective way to do it
the logistics of maintaining vaccum in a massive tube is much greater hassle (in terms of cost, infrastructure, reliability, safety, etc.) compared to simply overcoming air resistance with more power

Maglev goes 500-600 km/h and would be perfectly sufficient for connecting Washington-Philadelphia-NY or LA-San Francisco
I suspect the only reason why it's not already a thing is Boeing and airlines lobby

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Anonymous Wed 15 Apr 2020 21:03:06 No.11568580 Report

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>>11568287
The cost is a big issue stopping it; even the Chinese are paying $30 million a mile for their high speed rail; California's attempts to build a HSR line is at over $100 million a mile by most recent estimates. Highways & airports are much cheaper to build & require far fewer subsidies for their usual operations.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Apr 2020 21:51:07 No.11568714 Report

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>>11560760
>Then it is a legislation problem. But you don't fix >legislation problems by trying to figure out ridiculous >ways to circumvent it.

I don't know about that - I mean some places have shitty internet access due to local governments granting monopolies, restricting who can run fiber, and other legislative problems. So Ol'Musky plans to fix that by launching thousands of satellites into LEO, more than every other group's satellites put together, several times over. Starlink has hundreds up already, so they will probably pull this off.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Apr 2020 02:04:05 No.11569505 Report

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>>11560324
Of course, just after Mars 2020.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Apr 2020 02:24:31 No.11569549 Report

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>>11562538
He has also been correct about all of those Kickstarter projects. Probably is correct about all the SJW junk too but I don't live in a big city where that kind of stuff goes on.

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Anonymous Thu 16 Apr 2020 02:28:12 No.11569558 Report

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>>11562538
>thunderf00t
I watched this guy like over a decade ago when he was bullying some creationist kid, you mean he's still around?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Apr 2020 02:28:47 No.11569562 Report

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>>11564326
That's what happened with the Spanish Flu but there's no guarantee it will happen that way again. The virus will mutate but not necessarily into a deadlier form. Five years from now some other random virus from a platypus or Tasmanian devil might suddenly jump to humans and be AIDS crossed with Ebola and the common cold. Our interconnected world means these viruses that would have quietly killed a village of a hundred people can now kill hundreds of millions.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Apr 2020 02:30:56 No.11569567 Report

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>>11567897
The old pneumatic subway was even a minor plot point in Ghostbusters II.

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