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Anonymous Sun 22 Mar 11:43:30 2020 No.11491766 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>11491769 >>11492015 >>11492030 >>11494243 >>11495018 >>11496459 >>11496480 >>11496492 >>11496586

Is this plausible, or is it a LARP?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 22 Mar 2020 11:47:32 No.11491769 Report

Quoted By: >>11491776

>>11491766
It's a larp, there's no evidence that there is a big difference between the two strains.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 22 Mar 2020 11:51:20 No.11491776 Report

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>>11491769
I know next to nothing about biology. Thanks for clearing that up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 22 Mar 2020 14:00:32 No.11492015 Report

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>>11491766
Any more proofs that it's just a LARP? It's fucking scary

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 22 Mar 2020 14:15:00 No.11492030 Report

Quoted By: >>11493333 >>11494243

>>11491766
That is not how antibodies dependent enhancement works. It happens where there are multiple strains ,a nd the body makes antibodies to the wrong one when you get infected by a different one. (look up Dengue fever)
Also viruses do evolve to be more virulent over time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 22 Mar 2020 23:39:12 No.11493331 Report

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bump

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 22 Mar 2020 23:40:17 No.11493333 Report

Quoted By: >>11494325 >>11495108 >>11496434

>>11492030
Why does the body not rid itself of HIV and make anti bodies for it?

How do we know this does or doesn't?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 00:01:18 No.11493381 Report

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bump

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 00:36:41 No.11493430 Report

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Please dont freak me out like this

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 00:39:39 No.11493437 Report

Quoted By: >>11493485

The theory of this being a bioweapon is retarded on so many levels. This would literally be the most incompetent bioweapon ever attempted.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 00:43:27 No.11493446 Report

Quoted By: >>11493486 >>11496287 >>11496392

I'm yet to find a single scientific paper that mentions two strains for Sars-Cov-2. So there's literally no difference between them or they are another misinformation /pol/ created

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 00:59:25 No.11493485 Report

Quoted By: >>11493490 >>11498137

>>11493437
not to mention that where it was released makes no sense.
It would be like releasing a bioweapon in the Wyoming of China, instead of the major city center

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 00:59:33 No.11493486 Report

Quoted By: >>11493498

>>11493446
Maybe the world doesn't know that the other strain exists.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 01:02:06 No.11493490 Report

Quoted By: >>11493531 >>11494391

>>11493485
The point is that the lab that developed it had an accident and let some into Wuhan. It was never meant to be released and China is now covering it up while immunizing their people with the strain only China and NK know exists.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 01:04:05 No.11493498 Report

Quoted By: >>11496183

>>11493486
That's not how biology works, retard. You think this isn't the first thing the people making vaccine checked for? Goddamn you are fucking dumb.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 01:17:24 No.11493531 Report

Quoted By: >>11493542

>>11493490
Makes sense, I mean China's only P4 lab is in Wuhan

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 01:19:28 No.11493538 Report

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not plausible. there are "strains" but it's on the order of a few SNPs, the same normal rate of mutation you'd get as it goes through a big population by many routes. the "strains" only matter after the fact, if you're curious who you probably got your infection from

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 01:20:48 No.11493542 Report

Quoted By: >>11494419

>>11493531
because their BSL4 lab studied coronaviruses especially, because that region of china has a lot of animal coronaviruses floating around. they're studying them because they want to know what happens if they jump to humans again, like what happened now

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 06:29:44 No.11494243 Report

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>>11491766
It's a whole lotta speculation without sources to back it up, and presented in a disordered fashion which particularly neglects this: >>11492030
Whether to call it a larp is another matter, since knaves and fools are slightly different strains of the same disease, and not easy to distinguish even if you have the time to waste on it in minor cases.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 06:45:58 No.11494266 Report

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Is this a larp?
Please explain why
t. impressionable fag
>>11494234

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 07:14:18 No.11494325 Report

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>>11493333
HIV is a immunodeficiency virus. It basically fucks your immune system directly so your can’t fix itself. Corona, most definitely, dose not do that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 07:56:49 No.11494391 Report

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>>11493490
And Russia. That's why it's so quiet around the Kremlin currently.
Given all the mispractice in other Chinese labs (carcasses thrown away, kann dogs kept as pets, flesh sold in markets), I find this highly likely.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 08:18:19 No.11494419 Report

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>>11493542
>because they want to know what happens if they jump to humans again
well lucky them

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Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 14:45:44 No.11495018 Report

Quoted By: >>11496548

>>11491766

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 15:39:02 No.11495108 Report

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>>11493333
Because HIV affects helper T cells, retard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Mar 2020 23:59:57 No.11496183 Report

Quoted By: >>11496606

>>11493498
Bro, did you even look

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2004973

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYPZHA-UjUY

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 00:52:35 No.11496287 Report

Quoted By: >>11496606

>>11493446

Here you go:
https://academic.oup.com/nsr/advance-article/doi/10.1093/nsr/nwaa036/5775463

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 01:46:44 No.11496392 Report

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>>11493446
>I'm yet to find a single scientific paper that mentions two strains for Sars-Cov-2.
This has been known for a while, anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 02:10:42 No.11496434 Report

Quoted By: >>11496440 >>11496504

>>11493333
HIV has an acute primary infection associated with it, your body does produce antibodies in that time period; however, what makes HIV so bad is that the virus is in a family of retroviruses. Basically after the primary infection the DNA of the virus incorporates itself into your T-cells, as your T-cells divide it produces more copies of the virus, which the explode randomly after the virus's DNA gets activated and it starts replicating in the T-cell. Essentially what happens is the virus eventually infects all of your T-cells and destroys your immune system, since they can't remove the viral DNA from their own, the T-Cells explode into viruses faster than they can replicate.

Coronavirus is an RNA virus, meaning that there's no possible way it could do anything close to what HIV does.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 02:15:20 No.11496440 Report

Quoted By: >>11496483

>>11496434
What about herpes or other viruses that lay dormant or are always in you
How can we be certain this doesn’t do anything like that?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 02:24:44 No.11496459 Report

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>>11491766
I hope they prove this case. The war wouldn't be epic, but the mega parking lot in Asia would be.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 02:31:39 No.11496473 Report

Quoted By: >>11496479

Calling this BIOWEAPON is FUCKING RETARDED. Why is it mostly killing old and people who are already have a weak immune system?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 02:34:08 No.11496479 Report

Quoted By: >>11496490

>>11496473
It’s a healthcare relief virus

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 02:34:46 No.11496480 Report

Quoted By:

>>11491766
Sounds like some resident evil rejected story line shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 02:35:25 No.11496483 Report

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>>11496440
Herpes viruses are DNA viruses, they are the main set of viruses with the ability to lay dormant in you, mainly by incorperating themselves into the genome of your cells. RNA viruses, like Covid, can't lay dormant like that, it's physically impossible for them to enter your cell's genome.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 02:39:06 No.11496490 Report

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>>11496479
LOL. Sure. It costing them(Gov) 10x more money to control this shit. China doing so good a job since it's only have kill 4000 people or their 1.3bil population

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 02:40:31 No.11496492 Report

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>>11491766
Everything is a LARP until proven otherwise.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 02:44:00 No.11496504 Report

Quoted By: >>11496510 >>11496511

>>11496434
A retrovirus is an RNA virus.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 02:46:52 No.11496510 Report

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>>11496504
Ohhhh sheeeiiittt!!!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 02:47:06 No.11496511 Report

Quoted By: >>11496514

>>11496504
You know what I mean. Covid hasn't proven any ability to lay dormant inside cell nucleuses, none whatsovever. If we discover that it can, then we have a problem.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 02:49:01 No.11496514 Report

Quoted By: >>11496524

>>11496511
How would we rule it that it does or doesn’t
If it didn’t would an infected person be prone to random fits of pneumonia?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 02:51:55 No.11496524 Report

Quoted By: >>11496539

>>11496514
No related viruses such as SARS or MERS have such an ability. Of course it's technically only conjecture that it doesn't, anything is theoretically possible, but very, very, unlikely.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 03:05:22 No.11496539 Report

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>>11496524
If it was something that came out of a bio lab and it was never intended to come out more of a like “let’s see how deadly of a virus we can make” is it still extremely unlikely it could be engineered to have that ability?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 03:10:19 No.11496548 Report

Quoted By: >>11496549 >>11496557 >>11498147 >>11498157

>>11495018
tldr?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 03:11:27 No.11496549 Report

Quoted By: >>11496561

>>11496548
DOOOOOOOOM

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 03:15:39 No.11496557 Report

Quoted By: >>11496561

>>11496548
-'evidence' of human created virus.
-more dangerous to caucasian male
-wuhan BW lab.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 03:19:32 No.11496561 Report

Quoted By: >>11496565

>>11496549
>>11496557
Thanks I hate reading blog posts so I try to get someone else to do it for me

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 03:20:58 No.11496565 Report

Quoted By: >>11496576

>>11496561
There was also a long section about fart sniffing, I'm not sure why the other posters left that out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 03:28:00 No.11496576 Report

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>>11496565
There probably was, but I'm still not going to read it. Tempting though

sage goes in all the fields

sage goes in all the fields Tue 24 Mar 2020 03:34:32 No.11496586 Report

Quoted By: >>11496588

>>11491766
unironically admitting you browse pol
seek help

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 03:35:15 No.11496588 Report

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>>11496586
Good luck when you get it

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 03:39:31 No.11496594 Report

Quoted By:

The whole logistics of this post falls apart when you try to be a skeptic about for a second. It's one of those posts that gathers a few scientific facts and makes a dumb sci-fi plot out of it. It's hard to argue with idiots about stupid shit like that because they'll always come up with same tired responses in the likes of: "but China is keeping secrets, but government is lying". As I said earlier, the first thing when making vaccines is to establish an existing antigen range by examining the available phylogenetic data. Do you think if they found this other strain that can be used for immunization, they wouldn't be spraying it door to door as well? Not to even start about how fucking stupid of an idea that is in the first place. Antigen specificity doesn't even work like that. The whole thing about the 2 strains is also retarded. Most research I've read just treat the virus as one strain, probably because the difference between the two strains is so insignificant. The most detailed research of its phylogenetic origin I've read so far doesn't even mention this L and S strain bullshit (A pneumonia outbreak associated with a new coronavirus of probable bat origin)

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 03:44:18 No.11496606 Report

Quoted By: >>11496930 >>11498011

>>11496183
>>11496287
http://virological.org/t/response-to-on-the-origin-and-continuing-evolution-of-sars-cov-2/418

This research already got BTFO

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 07:07:26 No.11496930 Report

Quoted By: >>11498011

>>11496606
My good sir, I wish to thank you because I previously believed that article to be true, but it seems I was in error. I'm overjoyed to have been shown wrong and now learned from it.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 17:25:38 No.11497885 Report

Quoted By: >>11498011

Why do they say recovered and not cured?
Surely the body will cure itself of corona right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 18:20:53 No.11498011 Report

Quoted By: >>11498042 >>11498051 >>11498100

>>11496606
>>11496930
Their definition of there being two strains was based on two loci that are ~20 kb apart in the ~30 kb viral genome, each has a minor allele frequency of ~30%, and shows nearly complete linkage (r2 = 0.95). Hence, it is a simple FACT that there are two major clones or types circulating in the population.

>>11497885
You pedantic FUCK. Without outside intervention, the body recovers from an illness. With outside intervention, a cure is administered, therefore the disease is termed as having been cured

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 18:30:03 No.11498042 Report

Quoted By: >>11498063

>>11498011
>what is herpes
>what is HIV
>what is virus dormancy
>what is viruses inhabiting a cells nucleus
Do you think HIV and herpes are the ONLY viruses that stays in the body?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 18:35:22 No.11498051 Report

Quoted By: >>11498090

>>11498011
My good sir, I wish to thank you as it seems I'm again in error. I'm thrilled to be shown wrong again and learned from it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 18:38:57 No.11498063 Report

Quoted By: >>11498069 >>11498074

>>11498042
Obviously you don't recover from HIV you FUCK

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 18:40:03 No.11498069 Report

Quoted By: >>11498095

>>11498063
Thats his point.
This is a novel virus we know nothing about it you FUCK

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 18:41:16 No.11498074 Report

Quoted By: >>11498089 >>11498095

>>11498063
>ignores herpes and the thousands of other viruses that stay dormant in the system
HAHA NO THIS ONE IS DIFFERENT THIS ONE GETS CURED FROM THE BODY BECAUSE OF THE IMMUNE SYSTEM. HERPES AND HIV ARE THE ONLY TWO EXCEPTIONS ALL VIRUSES GET CURED

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 18:46:35 No.11498089 Report

Quoted By: >>11498096

>>11498074
>DUDE IT'S JUST LIKE HIV AND HERPES TRUST ME I'M A DOOMER SUICIDAL RETARD AND IT BEING LIKE THAT WOULD BE PERFECT FOR ME SO IT'S DEFINITELY TRUE ALL PESSIMISTIC THINGS ARE TRUE AND ALL OPTIMISTIC THINGS ARE FAKE NEEEEEEWS

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 18:46:37 No.11498090 Report

Quoted By: >>11498104

>>11498051
He just copied the exchange between the scientists conducting the test below in the comments. The guy representing the team who wrote the two strains study even concedes that they provided no evidence supporting any epidemiological conclusion regarding the virulence or pathogenicity of SARS-CoV-2.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 18:47:41 No.11498095 Report

Quoted By: >>11498099

>>11498069
We know people have successfully recovered from it after they tested negative for it you FUCK

>>11498074
You dont recover from herpes either you FUCK

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 18:47:51 No.11498096 Report

Quoted By: >>11498103

>>11498089
I never said that.
I said it COULD be the case
Again we know nothing about this virus yet.
It could or could not be. Time will tel..

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 18:48:51 No.11498099 Report

Quoted By: >>11498108 >>11498110

>>11498095
>all negatives are true negatives and not false negatives

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 18:48:54 No.11498100 Report

Quoted By: >>11498105

>>11498011
Still insignificant to differentiate 2 different strains, let alone claim different virulence between the two. There's a reason no one is taking this paper seriously, hence it only got cited 16 times.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 18:50:28 No.11498103 Report

Quoted By: >>11498106

>>11498096
>I said it COULD be the case
Let's not be disingenuous here. You wouldn't be spamming threads about this shit and arguing so fervently for it being the case if you thought it only "COULD" be the case. Please don't try to play the rational centrist who is open-minded when it's obvious to everyone you're just another obnoxious doomer /pol/cuck coming to /sci/ to drone on about more doomsday bullshit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 18:50:42 No.11498104 Report

Quoted By: >>11498112

>>11498090
My good sir...

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 18:51:00 No.11498105 Report

Quoted By: >>11498124

>>11498100
Bitch they agree that significant evidence of purifying selection can be observed, which is filtering out nonsynonymous mutations before they can be observed in the outbreak

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 18:51:26 No.11498106 Report

Quoted By: >>11498111 >>11498118 >>11498122

>>11498103
Im asking for people to weigh in on if it could or could not be.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 18:52:00 No.11498108 Report

Quoted By:

>>11498099
>all negatives are false negatives

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 18:52:36 No.11498110 Report

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>>11498099
>all negatives are necessarily dubious to fit my retarded narrative

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 18:53:01 No.11498111 Report

Quoted By: >>11498123

>>11498106
>still being disingenuous

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 18:53:38 No.11498112 Report

Quoted By:

>>11498104
What the fuck. Just read the article already

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 18:56:19 No.11498118 Report

Quoted By: >>11498123

>>11498106
>AAAAAAAARGH PLEASE LET THIS BE AN EXTINCTION LEVEL EVENT MY LIFE SUCKS ASS SO MUCH I CANT TAKE IT ANYMORE AAAAAAAAA

Back to your containment board

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 18:57:28 No.11498122 Report

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>>11498106
>it's an engineered bioweapon unleashed on China and Iran by the US to prevent the inevitable rise of China and prevent Iran from developing wmds

Fuck off Chang

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 18:57:32 No.11498123 Report

Quoted By: >>11498125 >>11498130

>>11498111
>>11498118
The opposite of doomer posting is "everything is going to be just fine and nothing could go bad" posting

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 18:58:05 No.11498124 Report

Quoted By: >>11498129

>>11498105
So? That means one of the mutations is circulated out of existence through a genetic bottleneck. How can you then claim there are two strains circulating in the population? It also makes the OP's larp fall apart.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 18:58:29 No.11498125 Report

Quoted By: >>11498142

>>11498123
>life is strictly binary
>it's either or

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 18:59:35 No.11498129 Report

Quoted By: >>11498144

>>11498124
It doesn't. That literally proves there are two strains, one more infectious than the other

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 19:00:22 No.11498130 Report

Quoted By: >>11498162

>>11498123
You will not escape your wageslave life.
You will not be given a free and easy exit.
You will continue to suffer in the same boring existence.
You will not be spared misery by a magical solution from the sky
No amount of LARPing and wishing for death will grant you that desire.
I recommend getting the balls to finally kill yourself instead of spending year after year wishing for some extinction event to take care of it for you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 19:01:23 No.11498137 Report

Quoted By:

>>11493485
>the Wyoming of China,
Wuhan is bigger than New York.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 19:03:51 No.11498142 Report

Quoted By:

>>11498125
It's literally impossible for the /pol/cuck to not think in black and white, anon. To do so is "enlightened centrist cuckery".

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 19:05:22 No.11498144 Report

Quoted By: >>11498150

>>11498129
>one more infectious than the other

You can't make that claim based on that data. Their conclusion is based on "well these few point mutations show more often in the researched samples, so it means it helps the virus spread faster'. That's just bad science.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 19:07:49 No.11498147 Report

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>>11496548
It seems fake. It uses a lot of seemingly exoert words, but it doesn't use those words correctly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 19:09:19 No.11498150 Report

Quoted By: >>11498158

>>11498144
Bro, the critics of the study literally agreed with the addendum, which states: Based on the finding that “L” lineage has a higher frequency than lineage S, we described the L lineage as aggressive. We now recognize that within the context of our study the term “aggressive” is misleading and should be replaced by a more precise term “a higher frequency”.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 19:13:07 No.11498157 Report

Quoted By: >>11498159

>>11496548
It's fake. It uses a lot of seemingly expert vocabulary, but it doesn't use those words correctly

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 19:13:55 No.11498158 Report

Quoted By:

>>11498150
Can't make that claim. It's the reason they were called out in the first place. Show me the follow up research that proves the infection rate is due to the genetic drift and not because of genetic bottleneck caused by factors not related to mutation.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 19:14:24 No.11498159 Report

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>>11498157
Look at this CIA nigger

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 19:15:24 No.11498162 Report

Quoted By: >>11498167

>>11498130
Not a wageslave
And 2 the virus kills by literally drowning you in blood and dead lung cells
No doomer wageslave would wish that upon himself

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 19:16:34 No.11498167 Report

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>>11498162
>Not a wageslave

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 20:11:09 No.11498275 Report

Quoted By: >>11498280

This thread turned to absolute shit real quick. Why are you guys such faggots all the time?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 24 Mar 2020 20:13:26 No.11498280 Report

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>>11498275
>/pol/ shitpost thread is made
>surprised when it gets shitposted

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