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Anonymous Tue 17 Mar 02:47:57 2020 No.11476175 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>11476195 >>11476307

Help, I dont understand implicate order and what it means for consciousness.

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Anonymous Tue 17 Mar 2020 02:48:38 No.11476176 Report

Quoted By: >>11476184 >>11476232

>Help, I dont understand implicate order and what it means for consciousness.
define "consciousness"

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Anonymous Tue 17 Mar 2020 02:52:40 No.11476184 Report

Quoted By: >>11476193

>>11476176
Self awareness

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Mar 2020 02:55:35 No.11476193 Report

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>>11476184
Nothing.

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Anonymous Tue 17 Mar 2020 02:56:43 No.11476195 Report

Quoted By: >>11476202

>>11476175
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Anonymous Tue 17 Mar 2020 02:59:45 No.11476202 Report

Quoted By: >>11476206

>>11476195
Where else would it be posted on retard

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Anonymous Tue 17 Mar 2020 03:02:01 No.11476206 Report

Quoted By: >>11476213

>>11476202
/his/

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Anonymous Tue 17 Mar 2020 03:05:39 No.11476213 Report

Quoted By: >>11476231

>>11476206
It's a concept used to explain quantum mechanics

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Anonymous Tue 17 Mar 2020 03:14:30 No.11476231 Report

Quoted By: >>11476237 >>11476245

>>11476213
the invocation of “consciousness” in discussions of quantum mechanics is very outdated in the scientific community and only lives on in the realm of newage hippies and ultraliberal postmodernist yoga instructors. they can be safely ignored

the main idea of “natural science” is that we study nature, and the assumption is that nature is not tricking us. the new age idea that somehow nature is tricking us is a crap idea akin to traditional religious beliefs

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Anonymous Tue 17 Mar 2020 03:14:37 No.11476232 Report

Quoted By: >>11476242

>>11476176

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Anonymous Tue 17 Mar 2020 03:15:40 No.11476237 Report

Quoted By: >>11476254

>>11476231
t. clueless pseud

wtf do you study feminism you retard? Cause you know jack shit about Physics

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Anonymous Tue 17 Mar 2020 03:17:47 No.11476242 Report

Quoted By: >>11476313

>>11476232
So ice is conscious?

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Anonymous Tue 17 Mar 2020 03:19:20 No.11476245 Report

Quoted By: >>11476258

>>11476231
Why do you assume we can grasp the nature of the universe using only our sensory organs? Bohm proposed implicate and explicate order precisely because he felt that quantum mechanics were merely tools to measure natural phenomena and predict probabilities of phenomena reoccurring in isolated moments and told us nothing about the bigger picture. It's kind of absurd/narcissistic to say "we're doing it right, just shut up and agree"

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Anonymous Tue 17 Mar 2020 03:21:52 No.11476254 Report

Quoted By: >>11476324

>>11476237
actually anon i know a good deal about physics and i know that thinking you are “special” because of “consciousness” is retarded. nobody says that except retard newagers and druggies

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Anonymous Tue 17 Mar 2020 03:23:17 No.11476258 Report

Quoted By: >>11476270 >>11476363

>>11476245
Bohm was wrong. his whole program was motivated by ideological marxism crap anyway

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Anonymous Tue 17 Mar 2020 03:25:25 No.11476270 Report

Quoted By: >>11476278

>>11476258
Anon it pains me that you cant see the irony in your own statement

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Anonymous Tue 17 Mar 2020 03:34:39 No.11476278 Report

Quoted By: >>11476306

>>11476270
what? bohm's hidden variables were wrong. he was an avowed marxist and his theories were based on strict determinism in order to accord with marx.

what is your point?

also, pic related

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Anonymous Tue 17 Mar 2020 03:49:43 No.11476306 Report

Quoted By: >>11476320

>>11476278
Interesting didn't know he was ideologically entrenched, but that doesnt itself delegitimize the concept. How would you explain the double slit experiment? Out of curiosity

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Anonymous Tue 17 Mar 2020 03:50:04 No.11476307 Report

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>>11476175

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Anonymous Tue 17 Mar 2020 03:53:26 No.11476313 Report

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>>11476242
it is
http://esotericawakening.com/what-is-reality-the-holofractal-universe

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Anonymous Tue 17 Mar 2020 03:57:13 No.11476320 Report

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>>11476306
i don't claim that this is a definitive answer but this is the best answer i can come by (i think it is legitimately how Feynman thought about it)

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Anonymous Tue 17 Mar 2020 03:59:44 No.11476324 Report

Quoted By: >>11476332 >>11476338

>>11476254
Oh really? Well thanks for setting me straight anon these new age retards they name scientific institutes after bamboozled me. I am glad there are pre-pubescent undergrads like you to set to tell the rest of us, who are actual scientists, we don't know what we are talking about. Please give me a shout out when you win a Nobel prize and they name an institution and measurement after you when you get out of high school fucking wanker

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Anonymous Tue 17 Mar 2020 04:04:48 No.11476332 Report

Quoted By: >>11476334

>>11476324
>posts 140 year old quotes
>thinks he is cutting-edge
>didn’t even read this thread

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Anonymous Tue 17 Mar 2020 04:06:00 No.11476334 Report

Quoted By: >>11476337

>>11476332
>t. imbecile

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Anonymous Tue 17 Mar 2020 04:08:37 No.11476337 Report

Quoted By: >>11476349 >>11476352

>>11476334
good argument anon

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Anonymous Tue 17 Mar 2020 04:09:03 No.11476338 Report

Quoted By: >>11476349 >>11476352

>>11476324
>Quotes from dead people without any empirical evidence

Cringe.

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Anonymous Tue 17 Mar 2020 04:14:59 No.11476349 Report

Quoted By: >>11476356

>>11476338
>>11476337

>>r/Iamverysmart

don't come back

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Anonymous Tue 17 Mar 2020 04:18:14 No.11476352 Report

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>>11476338
>>11476337
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nX3MUpmD7g8

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Anonymous Tue 17 Mar 2020 04:19:40 No.11476356 Report

Quoted By: >>11476369

>>11476349
>>/r/iamthatguywhotrollsscience

i thought we had a containment board for that, iirc it's called >>>/pol/

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Anonymous Tue 17 Mar 2020 04:22:07 No.11476363 Report

Quoted By: >>11476373

>>11476258
I hate Marxism too anon, but your post is gay desu

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Anonymous Tue 17 Mar 2020 04:24:33 No.11476369 Report

Quoted By: >>11476386

>>11476356
>we
You are a drooling retard you dont speak for anyone here you pretentious pseud asshat, this is fucking embarrassing.

WE, as in the actual scientists on this board that add value here because we know what we are talking about do have a containment area for you it is called pleebit

>>r/Iamverysmart

don't come back

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Anonymous Tue 17 Mar 2020 04:25:51 No.11476373 Report

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>>11476363
i'm very sorry that you find physics to be "gay". maybe we can set up a safe space on /sci/ for you to feel safe with your own personal views on science. we respect your views, so even if they are objectively wrong you should be entitled to your safe space where objectively wrong ideas are tolerated

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Anonymous Tue 17 Mar 2020 04:27:29 No.11476386 Report

Quoted By: >>11476393

>>11476369
anon, i can tell you are a NEET. stop larping.

>t. postdoc.
>actually

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Anonymous Tue 17 Mar 2020 04:29:07 No.11476393 Report

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>>11476386

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Anonymous Tue 17 Mar 2020 04:29:50 No.11476394 Report

Quoted By: >>11476402

So... how about we drop the consciousness part of the OP and someone can explain implicate and explicate order?

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Anonymous Tue 17 Mar 2020 04:32:26 No.11476402 Report

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>>11476394
>someone can explain implicate and explicate order?
that's just philosofag jargon that doesn't mean anything. don't be tricked by word games

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