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Anonymous Mon 09 Mar 04:23:30 2020 No.11453158 View Reply Original Report

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>Albert Einstein objected to the fundamentally probabilistic nature of quantum mechanics,[1] and famously declared "I am convinced God does not play dice"
lol so he didn't believe in probability? what a brainlet

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Anonymous Mon 09 Mar 2020 04:27:00 No.11453166 Report

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>>11453158
>so he didn't believe in probability?
Most likely he simply thought probability was an epistemological issue, in other words something due to our ignorance and lack of perfect knowledge of all the variables. He simply didn't buy into the idea that there were some inherently stochastic phenomena.

That doesn't invalidate the practical value of the theory of probability.

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Anonymous Mon 09 Mar 2020 04:30:03 No.11453172 Report

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>>11453166
Is omniscience even possible if the universe isn't deterministic?

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Anonymous Mon 09 Mar 2020 04:39:55 No.11453189 Report

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>>11453166
Checked.
We use probability theory because we just cant understand all the variables that factor into everything, much less compute it. It's kind of like butterfly effect, but on a scale the size and age of the universe.
>>11453172
To even know IF the universe is deterministic REQUIRES omniscience. So if it is, God would have to be omniscient, or otherwise he wouldn't be God.

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Anonymous Mon 09 Mar 2020 04:55:56 No.11453211 Report

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>>11453189
The Bible and the mythologies of antiquity clearly state that God and the Gods are the ones who actually determine time. Keep that in mind. For example:

Exodus 9:12
>But the LORD hardened the heart of Pharaoh, and he did not listen to them, as the LORD had spoken to Moses.
Pharaoh's heart became hardened against the Israelites, but this passage makes it clear that Yahweh determines it by saying Yahweh hardened Pharaoh's. God in this passage determined an event in the timeline and it came true.

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Anonymous Mon 09 Mar 2020 05:04:22 No.11453222 Report

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>>11453158
>lol so he didn't believe in probability?
he believed in god.

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Anonymous Mon 09 Mar 2020 05:20:30 No.11453249 Report

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>>11453222
Checked'

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Anonymous Mon 09 Mar 2020 05:46:16 No.11453284 Report

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>>11453211
You can read that as God's actions hardening his heart, not necessarily
>God casts Harden Heart on Pharoah

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Anonymous Mon 09 Mar 2020 06:27:16 No.11453359 Report

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>>11453222
More specifically Spinoza’s God.

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Anonymous Mon 09 Mar 2020 07:06:40 No.11453456 Report

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>>11453158
>>11453172
>>11453211
>>11453222
>>11453284
>>11453359
ITT: Dunning-Kruger
Please leave before posting again.

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Anonymous Mon 09 Mar 2020 07:37:04 No.11453496 Report

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>>11453456
Okie dokie

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Anonymous Mon 09 Mar 2020 07:54:07 No.11453544 Report

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idk man but quantum shit looks lit af.
im a wave u say but no now im particle lol get rekt classical physics.

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Anonymous Mon 09 Mar 2020 17:12:45 No.11454543 Report

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>>11453158
Yeah, I guess when he said that he had never heard of Godel's 1st and 2nd incompleteness theory.

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Anonymous Mon 09 Mar 2020 17:20:48 No.11454555 Report

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>>11453158
this is bait

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Anonymous Mon 09 Mar 2020 17:23:59 No.11454560 Report

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>>11453158
Probabiltists are brainlets, universe does happen by principles, not by chance.

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Anonymous Mon 09 Mar 2020 18:19:16 No.11454668 Report

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>>11453158
It would have been real interesting to Einstein's reaction to Everett's interpetation. We now Bohr hated it so much that he drove Everett out of physics.

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Anonymous Mon 09 Mar 2020 22:20:24 No.11455253 Report

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>>11453158
He was, like many enlightenment and modern era natural scientists, a determinism who thought that the universe must be like "a great machine" or something, wherein if you knew the initial positions of all the particles and their forces, you could predict the entire universe.
He was of course wrong and the universe is not deterministic.

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Anonymous Tue 10 Mar 2020 01:01:50 No.11455631 Report

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>>11453158

Einstein, smart as he was, still doesn't get to tell God what to do.

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