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Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 01:52:07 2020 No.11432794 View Reply Original Report

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Well /sci/, are they alive?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 02:01:17 No.11432813 Report

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>>11432794
maybe, but fertilized eggs are definitely alive and definitely human

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 02:02:31 No.11432817 Report

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>>11432794
>Well /sci/, are they alive?
define "alive"

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 02:04:04 No.11432820 Report

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>>11432794
they don't perform mitosis, don't have metabolisms, and have any organelles. they're just self-replicating RNA

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 02:09:44 No.11432835 Report

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>>11432820
How they know what to do? It's almost as if their nanotech...

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 02:12:26 No.11432841 Report

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>>11432835
They're* excuse my error

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 02:13:24 No.11432844 Report

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>>11432835
because they contain RNA. RNA (along with DNA) are like instructions, in the form of proteins.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 02:16:18 No.11432856 Report

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>>11432844
What if Viruses low key came from aliens? They're basically nanotech.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 02:18:25 No.11432864 Report

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>>11432856
google "Panspermia"

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 02:23:52 No.11432878 Report

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>>11432864
Will do

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 02:25:18 No.11432882 Report

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>>11432864
It makes sense too. Ngl i'm high on edibles these ideas always pop up in my head. It really does make you think lol.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 02:35:03 No.11432897 Report

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>>11432794
unrelated but one time on a biology test 3/4 of the class lost points on a question because the professor considered ribosomes organelles so viruses had organelles

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Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 02:39:25 No.11432903 Report

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>>11432897
>ribosomes
>organelles

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 05:44:50 No.11433237 Report

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>>11432897
To be honest the definition of organelle is kinda blurry
Is the cytoskeleton an organelle? are lysosomes organelles? we're saying ribosomes are not organelles just because they're present on prokaryote cells

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 05:57:32 No.11433259 Report

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In the delta quadrant there exists macroviruses. They can fly around and stuff. How could something fly around and not be alive?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 05:59:22 No.11433261 Report

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>>11433259
This
Airplanes are alive now
What a retarded ass board

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Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 05:59:57 No.11433262 Report

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>>11432882
lol duuuude im hiiiiigggghhhhhh hahah hoho heheh

Grow the fuck up, child.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 20:09:08 No.11434683 Report

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>>11432835
They don't know, they just follow instructions in their genetic code.

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Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 20:11:31 No.11434691 Report

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>>11434683

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Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 22:31:31 No.11434987 Report

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>>11432794
If anti_bio_tics won't kill 'em, they're not alive.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 22:34:14 No.11434998 Report

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>>11434987
Why don't antibiotics kill me when I take them?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 22:34:44 No.11435000 Report

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>>11432856
??? Absolutely retarded

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 22:38:11 No.11435011 Report

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>>11432835
>It's almost as if their nanotech...
Too much Babylon 5 for you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 22:38:12 No.11435012 Report

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>>11432820
what about when they hijack your cells nucleus?

are they alive then?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 22:39:23 No.11435017 Report

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>>11434998
dose

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Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 23:21:23 No.11435126 Report

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>>11432820
>t. nucleokek

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 23:30:45 No.11435148 Report

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>>11435126
time to kill yourself if you made this pic.

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Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 23:43:39 No.11435178 Report

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>>11435126
>bacteriophages
>attacking a Cell nucleus

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Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 23:44:51 No.11435181 Report

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>>11435148
lol i agree

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 23:57:07 No.11435203 Report

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>>11432794
Is a computer virus a computer?

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Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 23:57:45 No.11435205 Report

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>>11435203

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Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 23:58:33 No.11435208 Report

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>>11435148
>>11435178
>>11435181
Fragile eukaryote masculinity is real.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Mar 2020 00:00:31 No.11435216 Report

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>>11435203
Did that fag also die from a hangover

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Anonymous Tue 03 Mar 2020 00:03:00 No.11435219 Report

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>>11435208

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Anonymous Tue 03 Mar 2020 00:27:20 No.11435281 Report

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>>11433237
yeah that's what he basically said. He emailed us an article from uchicago or some shit about the debate. Pretty lame though since literally every other biology class any had ever taken considered ribosomes their own thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Mar 2020 00:31:39 No.11435291 Report

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>>11432794
is a piece of rna or dna alive?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Mar 2020 00:42:00 No.11435310 Report

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>>11432794
If we found something like a virus on another planet everyone would intuitively understand it to mean life. These semantics are irrelevant.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Mar 2020 01:48:43 No.11435427 Report

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>>11432813
>source: my ass

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Mar 2020 01:57:15 No.11435452 Report

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>>11435310
So what about prions? Are they alive?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Mar 2020 02:04:22 No.11435463 Report

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>>11435452
They're a life-based phenomenon at least. I think defining a single object as either "life" or "not life" is useless when that is not how things work, for life to exist, there must be a larger scheme perpetuating it, any one part of which may be taken as being "life" in a way.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Mar 2020 02:08:56 No.11435470 Report

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>>11432794
Reminder that the debate of whether or not something is “alive” is meaningless, inconsequential bullshit semantics. Nothing can be proven in this context, only preferred definitions asserted. Grow up and stop.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Mar 2020 02:12:58 No.11435479 Report

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>>11434987
>>11434998
>>11435017
Antibiotics work by targeting specific processes necessary for bacteria but not human cells. Penicillin derived antibiotics prevent the formation of peptidoglycan. This is bacteria-specific. The reason they’re called antibiotics despite specificity is because the general concept of “prevent some necessary cellular function” doesn’t work since traditional thought says viruses don’t do much and don’t really need much(which is why they’re not considered alive).

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Anonymous Tue 03 Mar 2020 02:24:08 No.11435501 Report

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>>11433262
>make way more obnoxious post
>I am the mature adult here

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Mar 2020 06:29:42 No.11435916 Report

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>>11432882
I too like to speculate wildly about random shit while high, just bear in mind that you will almost never be correct while doing so.
If you are looking for a fun topic to speculate wildly about, I recommend some amateur astronomy. Go outside on a clear night and take guesses about what all that crazy shit in the sky is doing, then check your answers and see how close you got.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Mar 2020 07:06:05 No.11435942 Report

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>>11432835

How does water know how to roll down hill, or even to evaporate?

How does a chemical know how to react with another one?

How do molecules know how to form?

How do amino acids and protein form and know how to react with one another or form larger structures.

How do you know how to think or see?

It's all determined buddy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Mar 2020 07:41:50 No.11435975 Report

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>>11435942
You have to go back

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Anonymous Tue 03 Mar 2020 07:44:44 No.11435981 Report

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>>11435975
but anon seems to have valid points, why not engage them? it's all very interesting. makes you wonder how life spits in the face of this deterministic world

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Anonymous Tue 03 Mar 2020 16:31:46 No.11436843 Report

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>>11435975
It's not too late to embrace God anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Mar 2020 17:05:31 No.11436929 Report

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>>11435310
>If we found something like a virus on another planet everyone would intuitively understand it to mean life
Because the existence of viruses implies the existence of actual life, not because viruses are alive.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Mar 2020 20:01:58 No.11437317 Report

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>>11433262
>Fun in for bad people

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Anonymous Tue 03 Mar 2020 20:27:12 No.11437368 Report

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by the agreed upon definition of life, no dipshit

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Anonymous Tue 03 Mar 2020 20:49:18 No.11437456 Report

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>>11435427

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Anonymous Tue 03 Mar 2020 22:41:13 No.11437745 Report

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>>11437368
I didnt agree

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Anonymous Tue 03 Mar 2020 22:50:32 No.11437772 Report

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>>11432794
phages are proto life. they cannot reproduce on their own or with other phages. they need bacteria to infect with their defective genetic code and the bacteria mass produce them internally until they rupture like any virus

however a phage is more complicated than viruses multi celled organisms contract. they have limbs and they use them. most of what humans contract look like smooth orbs or hairy orbs if its a virus

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Mar 2020 22:55:50 No.11437792 Report

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>>11432794
they parasite other energy forms
vegetables parasites sun
vegan parasites vegetables
etc
they are called borderline since they are so simple but they seem like life forms to me, simply at the bottom of the ladder

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Mar 2020 01:59:54 No.11438304 Report

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>>11432820
>they're just self-replicating RNA
They're not even self-replicating, they require a host cell to do the replication for them.

>>11432882
You can laugh at this idiot thinking viruses are alive because they're stoned but I had a housemate who was an ex-virologist who was convinced that only god could have designed HIV. Could be the reason she was an ex-virologist retraining as a lawyer.
She was the only religious life-scientist I've met in my life.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Mar 2020 05:54:07 No.11438766 Report

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>1 AM and still posting on /sci/
Sup, my T4-phaggas
https://youtube.com/watch?v=XiplfdVKjBk

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Anonymous Wed 04 Mar 2020 16:26:25 No.11439587 Report

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>>11432794
definitely alive

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Anonymous Wed 04 Mar 2020 16:27:23 No.11439589 Report

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>>11439587
LOL VINTAGE SHIT MEME HELL YA

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Mar 2020 16:47:39 No.11439640 Report

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>>11432794
>>11432794
They're certaintly based at least.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Mar 2020 21:06:22 No.11440199 Report

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>>11432794
if these things are not alien probes designed to alter our evolution I dont know what is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Mar 2020 21:12:03 No.11440204 Report

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The main argument against viruses being alive is that they """hijack""" molecular machinery """belonging""" to the host cell to perform the necessary functions that define life (movement, metabolism, reproduction, etc)

but the whole idea of a host or host cell "owning" its ribosomes, nucleotides, etc is arbitrary and stupid. does that mean that when you eat food, you're hijacking energy that "belongs" to plants when they make it from sunlight? are the plants hijacking the atmosphere's CO2?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Mar 2020 21:14:48 No.11440207 Report

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>>11440204
I tend to agree, I think the important thing is that they have the capability to seek out and exploit those resources/tools rather than whether or not they have them in the first place.

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