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Anonymous Sat 29 Feb 10:22:06 2020 No.11427215 View Reply Original Report

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best approach to immortality?

cryo, curing cancer, uploading ourselves?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Feb 2020 10:29:04 No.11427226 Report

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>>11427215
immortality is low iq

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Feb 2020 10:32:36 No.11427232 Report

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>>11427226
explain

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Feb 2020 10:50:26 No.11427256 Report

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>>11427215
For you personally? Probably cryogenic storage after your death (at least as things are now)
For like a general solution? Probably mind uploads or mind migrations to machines.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Feb 2020 10:54:00 No.11427261 Report

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>>11427256
honestly with the rate that biotech is expanding and trials (obviously not gonna result in anything) out there is cryo even going to be necessary?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Feb 2020 10:59:36 No.11427269 Report

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>>11427215
As far as biology goes, we age because the Telomeres start to wear down. When it do, it causes a mutation, causing the cell to commit suicide before it turn cancerous.
Preventing telomeres from wearing down would be of primary concern.
I doubt nanomachines could do it, picomachines are impossible
So I guess this would be a subject for the chemist and neurologist to figure out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Feb 2020 10:59:47 No.11427271 Report

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>>11427215
Go shit up /x/ with your sci fi shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Feb 2020 11:00:50 No.11427276 Report

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>>11427269
What about things like the thymus shrinking?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Feb 2020 11:03:01 No.11427280 Report

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>>11427276
Thymus shrink because it causes increased about of white blood cells and other anti-bodies. It is useful for children but as we grow older, the resources for that can be used for other things.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Feb 2020 11:05:38 No.11427286 Report

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>>11427215
Jesus

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Feb 2020 11:08:48 No.11427288 Report

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>>11427269
Why nanobots?

For the telomere problem it’s just telomerase -> prevent the random mutations (cancer) that’s it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Feb 2020 11:12:42 No.11427297 Report

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>>11427288
I have no idea how DNA works, mate.
But pretty sure that trying to repair the telomeres nonchalantly is bound to cause some serious trouble about cell division

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Feb 2020 11:13:25 No.11427298 Report

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>>11427297
>I have no idea how DNA works, mate
Then don't make threads about immortality.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Feb 2020 11:14:26 No.11427300 Report

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>>11427298
I am not OP, though

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Feb 2020 11:14:58 No.11427301 Report

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>>11427269
Is curing senescence really a key step in the human progression of immortality? Sure you stop aging. Great now you can catch half the diseases that can kill you or get hit by a truck.

Don’t get me wrong stoping aging is amazing but is it really that necessary when the final step is to upload ourselves

Elder NPC

Elder NPC Sat 29 Feb 2020 11:20:33 No.11427306 Report

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>>11427215
Drinking water.

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Anonymous Sat 29 Feb 2020 11:20:39 No.11427307 Report

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>>11427301
No-cloning theorem, bro
Uploading yourself to the internet and cloning yourself is a sci-fi myth
Physics ensures that no exact copy of anything could ever exist. It would always have a flaw

However, the best way to obtain immortality is to literally control time and space
Breaking FTL would ensure that you can also go time travel. That way, you can keep anyone from dying simply by restarting time and undoing your mistakes before it could even happen
[spoiler:lit]Time paradox come separately[/spoiler:lit]

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Feb 2020 11:23:54 No.11427312 Report

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If we actually did somehow gain the ability to upload ourselves I don't understand how you would get over the problem of it just being a copy of yourself so you still die your brain still dies but your copy lives which is not really immortality at all

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Feb 2020 11:24:35 No.11427313 Report

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>>11427215
Enzyme reactivation.
Mineral homeostasis restoration.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Feb 2020 11:26:25 No.11427317 Report

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>>11427307
They still age. Could prevent someone from getting shot but what then.

Fuck this might as well just go in cryo and hope someone smarter than me figures it out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Feb 2020 11:28:07 No.11427319 Report

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>>11427269
Telomeres wear down becaue of copper deficiency.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30105003
>>11427276
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6308192

Elder NPC

Elder NPC Sat 29 Feb 2020 11:32:22 No.11427326 Report

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>>11427307
But this information from that medium is all I am! Let me consult someone who learned how to read and write before I!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Feb 2020 11:33:21 No.11427327 Report

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>>11427317
Not really.
The time travel machine is just a fail-safe measure.
Any part of the body can be replaced, except the brain - which you can prevent from deteriorating by whatever sci-fi bs they have.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Feb 2020 11:33:53 No.11427328 Report

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>>11427313
Enzyme reactivation? Is this for the telomeres?

Also explain mineral homeostasis restoration. Is this because the organs that manage mineral homeostasis fall apart?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Feb 2020 11:38:21 No.11427338 Report

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>>11427319
Want to not die? Just eat copper. Can’t wait to live forever

Elder NPC

Elder NPC Sat 29 Feb 2020 11:38:54 No.11427340 Report

Quoted By: >>11427361

>>11427338
Really? I heard that breathing manually was fatal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Feb 2020 11:41:43 No.11427348 Report

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>>11427319
>>>/x/

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Anonymous Sat 29 Feb 2020 11:43:58 No.11427356 Report

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>>11427215
Kurisu just scanned her brain.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Feb 2020 11:48:09 No.11427361 Report

Quoted By: >>11427378

>>11427340
Shit you should try not breathing

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Feb 2020 11:49:29 No.11427363 Report

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>>11427348
No. That is science.

Elder NPC

Elder NPC Sat 29 Feb 2020 11:58:04 No.11427378 Report

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>>11427361
I do. Regularly. Its an amazing discipline. Its either that or put up with presumption from myself or others, I've found.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Feb 2020 12:53:47 No.11427441 Report

Quoted By: >>11427470

>>11427215
You already have a immortal soul, idiot. Read the bible.

Elder NPC

Elder NPC Sat 29 Feb 2020 13:12:00 No.11427470 Report

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>>11427441
Thank you messiah! I now know I need never read for your interpretation set me free!
*claws out eyeballs with newfound Christian joy*

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Feb 2020 13:16:16 No.11427483 Report

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>>11427470
np

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 00:16:53 No.11429370 Report

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>>11427215
eat copper, 25mg/day
keep Mg/Ca ratio above 6/5

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 13:02:59 No.11430764 Report

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>>11427276
They already learnt to reconstruct thymus. An american boomer friend of mine if in the first hundred of volunteers to go through the procedure.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 13:06:26 No.11430769 Report

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>>11427269
Those nanomachines you're talking about are aav, and they successfully operate at cost of 250 000 usd (but the pricetag is 900 000 usd)
according to this video (this information is somewhere closer to the end of it, in the q&a part)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEGccyXSQAU#t=19m50s

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 16:01:35 No.11431108 Report

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A Kurisu gf would make me so happy I wouldn't kill myself at 30 something

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 16:34:22 No.11431186 Report

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>>11427215
Psychological profiling and datamining for the trivium of your life, then mapped onto an industry standard "consciousness" model. For a 90% accurate emulation of the real thing!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 17:00:21 No.11431255 Report

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>>11427215
genetic engineering (today aav is the best I know, tomorrow who knows) and autonomous dwellings.
warosu.org/sci/thread/8088398

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Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 20:35:56 No.11431947 Report

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if we could figure out how to produce the gravity of jupiter in the size of about 4 square meters we could slow down time locally to jump ahead to the future where life extension is possible

pic related is the only plausible tech to do it.. basically a giant fucking tokamak thing with plasma as dense as a white dwarf spinning at .99 C that would focus a gravito electromagnetic.. we would need two of them to cancel eachother out and any flucuation would rip us apart from tidal forces

would take the entire energy of the sun to power it and it would be the size of a planet

cryo is the only other option.. maybe liquid helium submersion or something... all we need is to figure out how to not crystalize about 20 million nerve cells.. we can afford a bit of brain damage anyway

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/323935548_General_Relativistic_Gravity_Machine_using_Electromagneto-Torsion_Field

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Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 20:44:11 No.11431983 Report

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>>11427307
>No-cloning theorem, bro
i see.. another big brain anon that caught onto this as well

yes, consciousness has to be quantum in nature

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztGNznlowic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WXTX0IUaOg

penrose and hammeroff think it's in microtubules.. hammeroff, an anesthesiologist, thinks it has to do with quantum retrocausilty as well (quantum eraser experiment)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 22:08:36 No.11432273 Report

Quoted By: >>11432284

>>11427307
>he never heard of The F.E.I.R Principal
Watching all the brainlets die is going to be fun.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 22:14:16 No.11432284 Report

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>>11432273
First time hearing it.
Mind if you enlighten me?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Mar 2020 22:30:29 No.11432322 Report

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>>11432284
Here is a fun little game. If you can find me. I will tell you it. ^-^

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 06:03:42 No.11433271 Report

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>>11432322
the fuck is this zodiac shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 06:15:53 No.11433302 Report

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>>11431947
they both lead to the same idea. what we have today or in the next 10-15 years is not technologically advanced for immortality.

we just gotta speed time up and skip

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Mar 2020 07:02:59 No.11433367 Report

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>>11427215
Quantum immortality
You're experiencing it until you don't

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