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How to publish a paper as a first author in undergrad?

Anonymous Thu 20 Feb 15:07:31 2020 No.11402057 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>11402223 >>11402316 >>11403351 >>11403886 >>11403887 >>11407476

What does it takes (in terms of writing and getting into a journal) to get published in undergrad? Do you know anyone who did it?

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Anonymous Thu 20 Feb 2020 16:12:49 No.11402223 Report

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>>11402057
bump

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Anonymous Thu 20 Feb 2020 16:49:29 No.11402316 Report

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>>11402057
>first author
Good luck, m8. I did a couple of projects as an undergrad where I did 90% of the work and the postdoc advisor and professor got their greedy hands all over that shit. You're lucky to get 2nd or 3rd author.

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Anonymous Thu 20 Feb 2020 23:23:18 No.11403351 Report

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>>11402057
had the same idea when I was undergrad (3 years ago) went to the department head of biology who took me through the whole process and I walked out with this:

You need money. How do you get money? You get money from government grants. How do I get government grants? You write a grant proposal.
Sounds easy huh? Except this money is tax money and therefore it is very limited. This makes it very competitive to get. Who are you competing with for this money? Your are competing with a bunch of other people who want money for their projects so that they can publish articles in a journal. These other people have PhDs, teach at universities, work for state government facilities, have been doing this shit for years.
So in conclusion, who do you think is going to get the money for this research? The kid a couple years out of highschool who is currently learning the most basic knowledge of their field? Or the person with 8+ years of higher education and does research for a living?

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Anonymous Thu 20 Feb 2020 23:40:40 No.11403403 Report

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I did it, the professor gave me the idea, I implemented it and experimented and then I wrote the paper with the professor.

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Anonymous Fri 21 Feb 2020 01:00:19 No.11403577 Report

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>>11403403
Then ask the professor you Fucktard. Why the fuck are you asking a board of anons how to publish sci articles if you collaborated on an experiment with a professor.

Either you are bullshitting or you are a complete fucking idiot

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Anonymous Fri 21 Feb 2020 02:56:50 No.11403880 Report

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Pretty much impossible. If you're in physics or natural sciences you're pretty much only qualified to do grunt work, e.g. at the lab or in the form of computer code of simulations. Even if that's 90% of the work, it won't get you first authorship since you most likely didn't come up with the topic — it was probably related to your advisor's work. If you're in mathematics, you most likely aren't even capable of understanding most current research topics as an undergrad. The one exception I know of proved a generalization of a problem in number theory, but he was a genius — spent two years in undergrad and then obtained his PhD in another two.

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Anonymous Fri 21 Feb 2020 03:04:28 No.11403886 Report

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>>11402057
What field are you in?

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Anonymous Fri 21 Feb 2020 03:05:02 No.11403887 Report

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>>11402057
>How to publish a paper as a first author in undergrad?
Have a last name that begins with A.

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Anonymous Fri 21 Feb 2020 03:29:49 No.11403935 Report

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>>11403886
Not op, but also interested.
I'm graduating from high school this year with an intention to pursue a bachelor's in mathematics. I think I'm going to specialise in a functional analysis related field. I'm currently going through textbooks (including problems) on the topics I'm interested in, as well as their prerequisites, so I'd like to start doing research maths as an undergrad. Given, that I will most certainly get into a good university, is it really possible?

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Anonymous Fri 21 Feb 2020 04:44:53 No.11404033 Report

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>>11403886
>What field are you in?
I am OP, I am in computer information science.
>>11403577
>Why the fuck are you asking a board of anons how to publish sci articles if you collaborated on an experiment with a professor.
The guy you are replying to isn't me.

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Anonymous Fri 21 Feb 2020 07:42:53 No.11404259 Report

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>>11404033
It’s possible to publish first author as an undergrad. Spend a few weeks doing literature review for 8 hours a day, and then ask a novel question, devise your own experiment, have the experiment yield good results, and then write a paper about it. In fact, it’s probably easier if you write the paper first with your expected results, justifying your experiment while your write it.

Present your pseudo-paper/grant to your advisor and ask if it’s a decent idea, if it is he’ll probably help fund it (it has to be cheap). Now preform your experiment and then actually obtain good results, then publish.

There’s no reason why you couldn’t get a first author as an undergrad, I did it, I know other people who did as well.

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Anonymous Fri 21 Feb 2020 08:00:35 No.11404280 Report

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I bet there could be a small fortune made by supplying vanity academic journal publishing services to pretentious undergraduates

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Anonymous Fri 21 Feb 2020 18:44:10 No.11405269 Report

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Bump

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Anonymous Sat 22 Feb 2020 08:37:35 No.11406913 Report

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In Physics you just need a professor to work with as a research assistant. If you do most of the work, most of the time they will make you first author. I've got 1 first author in review, and 2 more in prep.

I'd recommend an REU.

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Anonymous Sat 22 Feb 2020 14:45:02 No.11407468 Report

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>>11403351
>You need money
Why?

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Anonymous Sat 22 Feb 2020 14:49:20 No.11407476 Report

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>>11402057
It takes time doing research. Yes, I had been published as an undergrad. You later realize how little you actually did, but was still worth the insight into the process

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Anonymous Sat 22 Feb 2020 15:02:58 No.11407498 Report

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>>11407468
Besides conducting the experiment? There are fees associated with sending your paper in to a journal to get published. If you want color pictures you have to pay for them. Stuff like that

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Anonymous Sat 22 Feb 2020 15:04:23 No.11407502 Report

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>>11404259
this
You have to have ownership of the ideas.

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Anonymous Sat 22 Feb 2020 18:15:29 No.11407920 Report

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OP image makes little sense, since for practical purposes 10-20 citations are a lot (from the point of view of anyone who's not at least an associate professor). Literally who fuckin cares about having more than 100 citations on a single item.

Still it's impressive how many papers have literally 0 citations lmao

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