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Life did not come out of nothing

Anonymous Sun 02 Feb 19:21:09 2020 No.11354848 View Reply Original Report

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Fuck me, /sci/.

I spent my whole life believing creationists to be huge morons and I often attacked and bullied religious people. Now that I'm in actually in a biology course I can tell you there is no way this shit wasn't planned. The chemistry of it all is too perfect to be true.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Feb 2020 19:23:01 No.11354856 Report

Quoted By: >>11354876 >>11355723

>>11354848
>I often attacked and bullied religious people
religious LARP. Real atheists don't do this, it sound like you were only atheist to spite your parents.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Feb 2020 19:27:06 No.11354871 Report

Quoted By: >>11354880 >>11354959 >>11355723

>>11354848
The laws of physics and the fundamental constants are even more improbable. Physicists have to appeal to woo like the anthropic principle to explain it, which is no better intellectually than saying "God did it".

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Anonymous Sun 02 Feb 2020 19:28:53 No.11354876 Report

Quoted By: >>11354968 >>11355026 >>11355723 >>11356082

>>11354856
>Real atheists don't do this
come on now, the whole point of atheism is 10% manic-depressive self hate, 90% ridiculing religion[-ous people]

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Feb 2020 19:30:35 No.11354880 Report

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>>11354871
>Survivorship bias is just as fanciful as religion

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Feb 2020 19:31:00 No.11354884 Report

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>>11354848
exactly man its fucking crazy look at shit like the krebs cycle and tell me it wasnt planned

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Anonymous Sun 02 Feb 2020 19:32:35 No.11354889 Report

Quoted By: >>11354945 >>11356800

>>11354848
got any examples?

otherwise, nice bait

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Feb 2020 19:34:58 No.11354899 Report

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>>11354848
>Now that I'm in actually in a biology course
You have to be 18 to browse this board

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Feb 2020 19:39:18 No.11354918 Report

Quoted By: >>11354951

>>11354848
the pleasing feeling of finding patterns in chaos is just the problem-solving nature of our brains in a positive feedback loop

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Feb 2020 19:46:31 No.11354945 Report

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>>11354889
Look up eye chemistry, when it comes to beta-carotene turning into vitamin A and then rodopsine. There is NO FUCKING WAY this came out of nowhere.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Feb 2020 19:47:58 No.11354951 Report

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>>11354918
this post is lower iq than the OP

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Feb 2020 19:52:00 No.11354959 Report

Quoted By: >>11354994

>>11354871
>Physicists have to appeal to woo like the anthropic principle to explain it

you have to when someones asks you a questions like:
>why triangles are not squares?

Anthropic principle is a philosophical concept, outside of the domain of science. Laws are there, constants are there, observer is here, that's it. No need for anthropic principle for them to work.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Feb 2020 19:54:39 No.11354968 Report

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>>11354876
project more

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Feb 2020 19:56:23 No.11354976 Report

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>>11354951
I am panicking.

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Anonymous Sun 02 Feb 2020 20:02:36 No.11354994 Report

Quoted By: >>11355019 >>11355452

>>11354959
Anthropic principle is a petty attempt of concieling your lack of answers

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Feb 2020 20:06:02 No.11354999 Report

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>>11354848
Cool story, bro.

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Anonymous Sun 02 Feb 2020 20:14:30 No.11355019 Report

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>>11354994
you don't answer question outside of your domain, especially when nobody, in any way, will be able to answer them, or even ask the solid question

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Feb 2020 20:15:20 No.11355026 Report

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>>11354876
t. Creationist

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Anonymous Sun 02 Feb 2020 20:21:32 No.11355040 Report

Quoted By: >>11355381 >>11355457 >>11355517

>>11355026
Im just as clueless, but at the very least religions surve(d) an essential practical purpose. Atheism has no point whatsoever.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Feb 2020 22:30:55 No.11355351 Report

Quoted By: >>11355364

>>11354945

just because something is unlikely does not mean it is impossible.

if thats the case, then at what point of likelihood does something transition from implausible to plausible?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Feb 2020 22:34:48 No.11355364 Report

Quoted By: >>11355538

>>11355351
>if thats the case, then at what point of likelihood does something transition from implausible to plausible?

when the likelihood is >1% or maybe even 5%

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Feb 2020 22:39:42 No.11355381 Report

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>>11355040
Maybe not everything needs to have a purpose.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Feb 2020 23:11:21 No.11355452 Report

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>>11354994
>We don’t know the answers yet
>Therefore God
This explanation is so intelligent that even cavemen could come up with it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Feb 2020 23:13:35 No.11355457 Report

Quoted By: >>11355492 >>11355839 >>11356687

>>11355040
>Religions serve an effective purpose
Western religions were used purely to control the masses.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Feb 2020 23:24:47 No.11355482 Report

Quoted By: >>11355522 >>11356690

Either:

1. Existence has always been here.

OR

2. Existence came out of nothing.

The first one is basically supernatural and the second one is literally supernatural, so only morons would reject the possibility of supernatural beings.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Feb 2020 23:28:00 No.11355492 Report

Quoted By: >>11355496 >>11355839

>>11355457
t. woke athiest

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Feb 2020 23:29:03 No.11355496 Report

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>>11355492
atheist*

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Feb 2020 23:33:38 No.11355510 Report

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>>11354848
>Life did not come out of nothing

You’re right. It came from chemicals.

> The chemistry of it all is too perfect to be true.

Prove it.
I can already tell by the language being used that you’re thinking with feelings, not any empirical or quantifiable data.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Feb 2020 23:34:40 No.11355516 Report

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>>11354945
>There is NO FUCKING WAY this came out of nowhere.

It didn’t. It came from chemicals.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Feb 2020 23:35:43 No.11355517 Report

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>>11355040
Not everything has a purpose or should have one, Admiral Hydrocephaly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Feb 2020 23:36:44 No.11355522 Report

Quoted By: >>11355549

>>11355482
>Misusing the word “supernatural” to make a dishonest point

BOOOOO

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Feb 2020 23:41:57 No.11355538 Report

Quoted By: >>11355582

>>11355364
how deep did you have to dig to pull those numbers out of your ass?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Feb 2020 23:44:19 No.11355549 Report

Quoted By: >>11355558

>>11355522
Explain what you mean. What is the dishonest point and how have I misused the world "supernatural" to make it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Feb 2020 23:47:40 No.11355558 Report

Quoted By: >>11355593

>>11355549
Supernatural: (of a manifestation or event) attributed to some force beyond scientific understanding or the laws of nature.
of, relating to, or being above or beyond what is natural; unexplainable by natural law or phenomena; abnormal.
of, pertaining to, characteristic of, or attributed to God or a deity.
of a superlative degree; preternatural:

Something happening that you, a literal monkey, do not understand doesn’t constitute the “supernatural”. You’re being dishonest.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Feb 2020 23:50:43 No.11355566 Report

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>It’s too perfect
This is a subjective judgment

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Feb 2020 23:56:20 No.11355582 Report

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>>11355538
like 15 seconds of thinking probably

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Feb 2020 00:00:15 No.11355593 Report

Quoted By: >>11355603

>>11355558
Everything we say and all of our understanding is from the perspective of an ape. Someone claiming that there are no supernatural beings is claiming this from the perspective of an ape.

That said, from the perspective of a human, it is existence coming from nothing is by definition supernatural.

I assume what you have issue with is my characterization of "Existence has always been here" as being "basically supernatural". Ok, that's fine. It doesn't change the fact that claiming to know with certainty that there are no supernatural beings is irrational.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Feb 2020 00:03:56 No.11355603 Report

Quoted By: >>11355668

>>11355593
>That said, from the perspective of a human, it is existence coming from nothing is by definition supernatural.

No it isn’t, sorry. You’re lying.
Why are you lying, exactly?

> Ok, that's fine. It doesn't change the fact that claiming to know with certainty that there are no supernatural beings is irrational.

If such is the case, claiming to know with certainty that Spongebob does not exist is irrational. Your epistemology is absurd, but common among people who defend idiotic beliefs in magic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Feb 2020 00:04:53 No.11355604 Report

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>>11354848
Maybe it was the most unlikely thing imaginable, but the thing is, the universe is larger than you could ever imagine, and is ever growing. So, with that in mind, even if the odds are astronomically low, the odds of sentient life forming at least a few times is incredibly likely.

Not to mention, in order for you to be aware of how unlikely it is, you have to be sentient. Anywhere in the universe that there are observers, the observers are asking this question. It is necessary by the nature of existence for your existence to be incredibly unlikely.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Feb 2020 00:13:30 No.11355630 Report

Quoted By: >>11355633

>>11354848
Abrahamism and Atheism are both Jewish ideologies based on Jewish values.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Feb 2020 00:14:32 No.11355633 Report

Quoted By: >>11355736

>>11355630
>Not believing in magical cloud people is a Jewish ideology

Fascinating.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Feb 2020 00:29:37 No.11355668 Report

Quoted By: >>11355681 >>11356802

>>11355603
>No it isn’t, sorry.

Explain how existence can come from nothing by the laws of nature. Don't you see how that's contradictory? If there are laws of nature, there is existence, and therefore these laws cannot explain how the state of non-existence became the state of existence.

Your definition of supernatural includes "event attributed to some force beyond ... the laws of nature". Therefore, existence coming from nothing is supernatural by your definition.

>If such is the case, claiming to know with certainty that Spongebob does not exist is irrational.

This is true. It is possible that Spongebob exists and therefore you cannot claim to know with certainty that he doesn't. You should instead say "I have seen no evidence to support the claim that Spongebob exists". You can go further by saying "I think the probability of Spongebob existing is extremely small and will use this belief in my decision-making".

In fact, the only thing we can actually know with certainty is "something has existed" and "an event has taken place" and anything else that logically follows from these.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Feb 2020 00:35:33 No.11355681 Report

Quoted By: >>11355761

>>11355668
> Explain how existence can come from nothing by the laws of nature

Something happening that you, a literal monkey, do not understand doesn’t constitute the “supernatural”. You’re being dishonest.
Appeal to ignorance fallacies don’t fly.

> Don't you see how that's contradictory?

It is, actually, because “nothing” does not exist as a possible or even conceivable alternative to “existence”. There is no such thing. I know this alternative makes you cry like a wee baby, but existence has always existed. Nothing else is logically possible.

> and therefore these laws cannot explain how the state of non-existence

A “state of non-existence” is impossible by definition.

> This is true. It is possible that Spongebob exists and therefore you cannot claim to know with certainty that he doesn't. You should instead say "I have seen no evidence to support the claim that Spongebob exists".

Pedantic sophistry.
SpongeBob doesn’t exist and neither does the supernatural.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Feb 2020 00:43:54 No.11355714 Report

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>>11354945
why?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Feb 2020 00:45:25 No.11355723 Report

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>>11354848
>>11354856
>>11354871
>>11354876
Who or what was it planned by then? Are you asserting a certain religion is correct or just the idea of creationism?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Feb 2020 00:48:09 No.11355736 Report

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>>11355633
Believing in magical cloud people is also Jewish ideology

Taoism is the true way

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Feb 2020 00:50:27 No.11355748 Report

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My penis didn't come out of nothing either, it came out (or should I say it CAME IN) your mothers vagoo last night.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Feb 2020 00:54:51 No.11355761 Report

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>>11355681
>I know this alternative makes you cry like a wee baby, but existence has always existed.

You mean, one of the two possibilities I listed in my original post? I agree that existence has always been here.

And why have you been assuming I believe in the existence of a supernatural being throughout our conversation?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Feb 2020 01:21:09 No.11355839 Report

Quoted By: >>11356658

>>11355457
>>11355492
lmao he hates his caricature of religion but can't offend muh racism brainwashing so only says western ignoring the fact that the west is the only place in the world that is secular and allowed substantial individuality on the matter (unlike other religions which are strictly hierarchical and bound by specific rituals).

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Feb 2020 03:31:10 No.11356082 Report

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>>11354876
I uuts don't want to have to spend Sundays listening to some boring lecture instead of sleeping in, and every other religion is just as bad about doing the whole worship bullshit or you needing to do something under threat of eternal punishment.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Feb 2020 09:34:06 No.11356639 Report

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>>11354945
>I don't understand something so it must be god
and the cycle closes again

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Feb 2020 09:43:55 No.11356653 Report

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>>11354848
Read Engels. Dialectics explains how such complex systems arise.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Feb 2020 09:47:53 No.11356658 Report

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>>11355839
When I say the West I’m including things like Islam. Eastern religions weren’t really used to control their people, but I’ve got an open mind about them. From what I know they weren’t really integrated into their social structures, whereas things like Christianity and especially Islam were.
Western society is definately the way to go; I’m referring to religions in their historical contexts.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Feb 2020 10:00:18 No.11356687 Report

Quoted By: >>11356689

>>11355457
they were also a value system, but we don't it anymore

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Feb 2020 10:02:00 No.11356689 Report

Quoted By: >>11356750

>>11356687
Anyone that needs the threat of eternal damnation in hell to function as a productive member of society needs to be shot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Feb 2020 10:02:06 No.11356690 Report

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>>11355482
>1. Existence has always been here.
/thread

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Feb 2020 11:04:31 No.11356750 Report

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>>11356689
obviously, but people disagreed on the small things (still do actually)

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Feb 2020 11:28:19 No.11356767 Report

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>>11354848
There are the ignorant, who just flat out deny it because their interpretation of the bible tells them so.

Then there are these morons, with just enough smarts to read a biology text, but without the smarts to understand the immense time scales, and the sheer size and diversity of the biosphere.

The time has come for mankind to separate into different societies, each to go their own ways. The creationists, moon hoaxers, flat-earthers and the all the rest can have one part of the world. Rational people should have therest Never to meet again. Anything so we dont have to tolerate their inane, retarded bullshit.

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JzARK !!9fnWp2T2w16 Mon 03 Feb 2020 11:58:52 No.11356800 Report

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>>11354889
the pathway for getting b12 in is kinda oooookay

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JzARK !!9fnWp2T2w16 Mon 03 Feb 2020 12:01:15 No.11356802 Report

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>>11355668
>Explain how existence can come from nothing by the laws of nature
sure

evolving black holes for heavy mass universes

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Feb 2020 12:02:58 No.11356804 Report

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>>11354848
>The chemistry of it all is too perfect to be true.

Perfect? Not at all. It is a convoluted mess. And fails often in various ways, too.

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