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B12 from water and soil

Anonymous Thu 16 Jan 15:15:26 2020 No.11306247 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>11306416 >>11306624 >>11306738 >>11306783 >>11306809 >>11307032 >>11308065

Is there any evidence to support this claim? I have not been able to find one piece of evidence that points to this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jan 2020 15:19:19 No.11306257 Report

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B12 is produced by bacteria so technically if they're in the soil and there's cobalt in said soil they should be able to synthesise it.
kind of irrelevant to ruminants since they have massive internal fermentation vats to break down cellulose which they later digest the microbiota from.

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Anonymous Thu 16 Jan 2020 17:13:52 No.11306416 Report

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>>11306247
As long as there is cobalt

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Anonymous Thu 16 Jan 2020 19:06:47 No.11306624 Report

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>>11306247
Some fertilisers contain cobalt but it's not common for bulk fertilisers for industrial farming so it could be somewhat of a problem

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jan 2020 19:09:30 No.11306630 Report

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Every mass-producing meat factory uses B12 for non-ruminants and cobalt for the rest. They don't do it unnecessarily.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jan 2020 20:20:14 No.11306738 Report

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>>11306247
it would make sense considering cyanocobalamin is a top B12 substitute and cyanide is also made by the same kinds of bacteria

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jan 2020 20:48:02 No.11306783 Report

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>>11306738
Cyanocobalamin is an artificial but stable and cheap substitute for B12 that's not very easily absorbed. Probably the best B12 supp is a hydrocobalamin injection.

>>11306247
The problem with those two points is that it implies that humans can get adequate B12 supplementation through natural soil and water which is absolutely wrong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jan 2020 21:02:34 No.11306809 Report

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>>11306247
You’re not a vegan retard, are you?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jan 2020 23:16:07 No.11307013 Report

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>>11306809
No but I've been seriously considering it due to ethical reasons. I'm having a hard time marrying into the health aspect as it seems unsustainable in that regard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Jan 2020 23:19:23 No.11307016 Report

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>>11307013
Recently read an article with sources saying that often its the best eaters having deficiencies. Vegans only had problems with iodine and B12.

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Anonymous Thu 16 Jan 2020 23:31:06 No.11307032 Report

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>>11306247
B12 from water and soil contamination is one of the purposed explanations from the results of a study in this article https://veganhealth.org/intestinal-bacteria-as-b12-source/

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Jan 2020 06:02:14 No.11307788 Report

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>>11307032
Which of those studies specifically?

> He reports a study in the 1950s in England where vegan volunteers with B12 deficiency (as shown by megaloblastic anemia) were fed B12 extractions made from their own stools and it cured their deficiency. He said it proves that the colon bacteria of vegans produce enough B12 to cure a deficiency, but that the B12 produced by the bacteria in the colon is excreted rather than absorbed. This appears to be convincing evidence.

It wouldn't matter of soil has less or more B12 bacteria anyway since we can't absorb it directly like herbivores.

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Anonymous Fri 17 Jan 2020 09:15:51 No.11308056 Report

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>>11307016
>Vegans only had problems with iodine and B12
So long as they hit calorie intake.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Jan 2020 09:20:35 No.11308065 Report

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>>11306247
>Is there any evidence to support this claim?

Are you serious?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5282855/

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Jan 2020 09:21:43 No.11308067 Report

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>>11306783
>The problem with those two points is that it implies that humans can get adequate B12 supplementation through natural soil and water which is absolutely wrong.

You could grow crops in your shit and the plants would absorb the B12. There’s some afghani village that does that or something

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Jan 2020 09:22:46 No.11308070 Report

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>>11307788
>since we can't absorb it directly like herbivores.

A lot of herbivores can’t. Ruminants are an outlier with their ridiculous digestive system.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Jan 2020 09:30:34 No.11308075 Report

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>>11308070
Ruminants are based.

what do Elephants count as?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Jan 2020 09:44:42 No.11308086 Report

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>>11308075
hindgut fermenter
weirdly Wallabies are foregut while other marsupials are hindgut

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Anonymous Fri 17 Jan 2020 10:06:53 No.11308116 Report

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>>11308056
I know 4 vegans. Two of them are fat. Of those two, one is fat as fuck.

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