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Anonymous Sat 11 Jan 12:13:08 2020 No.11293638 View Reply Original Report

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Is nicotine addiction a myth?
I used to be a heavy smoker for over two years and then one day I just decided to quit it and I haven't had a smoke in almost three months now.
And it's not like I had cravings to smoke and just resisted I genuinely didn't
This is confusing to me because I know people who find it difficult to quit and others like myself quit with ease

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Anonymous Sat 11 Jan 2020 12:16:22 No.11293644 Report

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>>11293638
From what i've heard, it's mostly psychological. You're addicted to the behavior, getting a break

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Anonymous Sat 11 Jan 2020 12:18:00 No.11293646 Report

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>>11293638
Same,I havent had a smoke for 3-4 years now.
Air pollution is sufficient for my lungs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Jan 2020 12:18:29 No.11293647 Report

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>>11293638
Yeah I guess it's more of a habit than an actual addiction, kinda like biting nails.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Jan 2020 12:36:48 No.11293670 Report

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my experience is similar, seems like most of it is just habits

but nicotine probably plays a bigger role in getting you hooked initially

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Anonymous Sat 11 Jan 2020 12:44:00 No.11293684 Report

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>>11293638
There is no such thing as an "addiction". People become "addicted" because they're told of a disease model (Which is based on rat experiements because rats and humans are the same amirite?!?). Anyone can quit any substance. Heroin users and alcohol users may have physical dependence in which they need to detox their bodies so they don't die, but that doesn't necessarily mean they don't have a choice in quitting. Addiction is pushed by fearmongers who have no clue in how the human brain works. Most of their arguments are muh dopamine

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Anonymous Sat 11 Jan 2020 13:03:42 No.11293716 Report

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>>11293638
It's interesting. I used to smoke a lot with some old friends, but never developed an addiction. They'd say it was a bit weird that I never smoked outside of hanging out with them.

That said, sometimes I do feel like nicotine, in the same way I might crave greasy fast food, or chocolate or something. It's nice to have, but I'm not tearing my hair out or getting angry about not having it.

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Anonymous Sat 11 Jan 2020 13:12:56 No.11293738 Report

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>>11293716
Same here. I never smoked at home or when i was alone only in company. I stopped now but never developed an addiction. I had periods when i smoked a lot in a short time, usually when drinking with them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Jan 2020 14:09:48 No.11293831 Report

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>>11293638
To be a heavy smoker you need at least 15-20 years not two lol what kind of spineless baby are you.

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Anonymous Sat 11 Jan 2020 14:16:49 No.11293840 Report

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>>11293831
Smoked from 13 to 25 and had virtually the same experience as OP Tbh.

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Anonymous Sat 11 Jan 2020 14:19:52 No.11293846 Report

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>>11293638
>>11293644
This. It's easier to give up nicotine than it is cannabis because nicotine has no annoying physical withdrawal symptoms. Cannabis withdrawal includes the inability to regulate body temperature which results in night sweats as well as insomnia.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Jan 2020 14:51:50 No.11293908 Report

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>>11293684
Who the fuck says addiction means you can't quit something? The physical withdrawal isn't the hard part, the hard part is the psychological urge to take the drug, because the addict can't or doesn't know how to deal with life without the substance.

You guys must be larpers who don't know WTF is means to be addicted to something. If you smoke a cig now and then you're not addicted and neither are you physically dependent.
I'm not even saying it's particularly hard to quit an addiction, it's just that most people just don't really give a fuck.

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Anonymous Sat 11 Jan 2020 15:03:41 No.11293938 Report

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>>11293638
Yeah, a couple years isn't even getting warmed up.
>>11293840
You didn't develop a heavy habit at 13 and probably maintained similar pattern as an adult.
>>11293908
I enjoy (not really) these people who think they are magically immune to cigarettes, finally find they are late for work because they had to stop and get more.

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Anonymous Sat 11 Jan 2020 15:16:53 No.11293959 Report

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>>11293638
There is a large genetic component. Most smokers experience extreme nicotine cravings and withdrawal symptoms when trying to quit smoking. That's why you have 60 year old COPD patients dragging themselves to the smoking room with their oxygen flask every hour. Their experience is vastly different to those people that can quit smoking without a any effort.

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Anonymous Sat 11 Jan 2020 15:18:42 No.11293963 Report

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Anonymous Sat 11 Jan 2020 15:22:01 No.11293974 Report

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>>11293638
I literally hate it all the time, but when cigarette is on timer, just cant have better idea. Usually I get ideas on what to do next while smoking.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Jan 2020 15:24:34 No.11293979 Report

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>>11293908
>Who the fuck says addiction means you can't quit something
Groups like Alcohol Anonymous and Narcotics anonymous. They use vague terms like "Recovery" and say nonsense like "Don't use Hand Sanitzer or do not eat foods with Alcohol because you'll relapse and go back".
>the hard part is the psychological urge to take the drug, because the addict can't or doesn't know how to deal with life
That's retarded. People take drugs because it feels good, not because they can't "cope with life". If you're blaming something like life, then you're simply blaming your inability to quit over something that doesn't have influence over you in the first place. Plenty of people who use substances quit without professional help. It's like saying people suffer from obesity when in reality they just like eating.
>WTF is means to be addicted to something
I've done plenty of hardcore drugs and I never was "addicted" and have stayed clean for years. You're "addicted" because you fell for the meme.
>>11293938
Blaming your inability to quit a substance based on a disease model (That is not based on science) that doesn't exist has to be the biggest cope ever. Just stop being a pussy and quit using it.

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Anonymous Sat 11 Jan 2020 15:25:02 No.11293980 Report

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>>11293846
I've been told it's not the nicotine in cigarettes, but the cocktail of 30 or so other toxic stuff that makes cigarettes so addictive.

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Anonymous Sat 11 Jan 2020 15:32:48 No.11293994 Report

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>>11293959
False.

This graphic is used to support the idea that we should treat addiction as a brain disease. However, the authors mistakenly let a big cat out of the bag with this one because the brain wasn’t treated at all. Notice how the third image shows a brain in which the red level of activity has returned almost to normal after 14 months of abstinence.

These methamphetamine addicts were court ordered into a treatment program. nobody was directly treating the brain of methamphetamine addicts. They were not giving them medication for it (there is no equivalent of methadone for speed users), and they weren’t sticking scalpels into the brains of these meth addicts, nor were they giving them shock treatment.

They chose abstinence (for at least 14 months) even while their brains had been changed in a way that we’re told robs them of the ability to choose to quit.

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Anonymous Sat 11 Jan 2020 15:34:04 No.11293997 Report

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>>11293979
>inability to quit
You think that your assumptions are something. Wrong five times in two sentences. What are you even trying to say? Fear controls a pussy? I agree but, why all the gibberish?

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Anonymous Sat 11 Jan 2020 15:41:52 No.11294014 Report

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>>11293994
This must explain why people spend a million dollars on cigarettes and keep it up after up after being diagnosed with lung cancer.
>>11293979
>Feels good
Does it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Jan 2020 15:42:04 No.11294015 Report

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>>11293997
>You think that your assumptions are something
Because they are something, while your posts are simply misinformed fearmongering. Maybe this should change your mind, unlikely you'll come up with a rebuttal.

http://healthland.time.com/2012/12/13/controversial-surgery-for-addiction-burns-away-brains-pleasure-center/#ixzz2FfgLoey4

>The surgery is actually performed while patients are awake in order to minimize the chances of destroying regions necessary for sensation, consciousness or movement. Surgeons use heat to kill cells in small sections of both sides of the brain’s nucleus accumbens. That region is saturated with neurons containing dopamine and endogenous opioids, which are involved in pleasure and desire related both to drugs and to ordinary experiences like eating, love and sex

>the Chinese researchers report that 21% of the patients they studied experienced memory deficits after the surgery and 18% had “weakened motivation,” including at least one report of lack of sexual desire. The authors claim, however, that “all of these patients reported that their [adverse results] were tolerable.” In addition, 53% of patients had a change in personality, but the authors describe the majority of these changes as “mildness oriented,” presumably meaning that they became more compliant. Around 7%, however, became more impulsive.

Basically a bunch of chinese addicts got their pleasure centers removed and guess what?

5 years later, 53% of the test subjects are still using opiates! So much for muh dopamine

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Anonymous Sat 11 Jan 2020 15:43:42 No.11294020 Report

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>>11294014
Cigarette smoking is actually declining, so nope.

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Anonymous Sat 11 Jan 2020 15:59:46 No.11294048 Report

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>>11294015
I am an imaginary adversary for you. You inaccurately read my mind and argue against thoughts that I did not have. Are you fucking nuts?

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Anonymous Sat 11 Jan 2020 16:08:30 No.11294063 Report

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>>11294048
>the hard part is the psychological urge to take the drug, because the addict can't or doesn't know how to deal with life without the substance.
>WTF is means to be addicted to something. If you smoke a cig now and then you're not addicted and neither are you physically dependent
This is what I am arguing against.

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Anonymous Sat 11 Jan 2020 16:18:02 No.11294073 Report

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>>11294063
Oh, we melded into one person.
>>11293979
Here. I guess. I don't disagree but maybe never being addicted can show your strength against it or a lack of experience. Science and people with fee fee don't understand this stuff. Aa may work for simpletons but I think is is similar to why criminals need religion or kids need Santa.

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Anonymous Sat 11 Jan 2020 16:19:04 No.11294076 Report

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>>11293638
Yes, your anecdote completely overturns decades of medical research and proves conclusively that nicotine is not addictive.

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Anonymous Sat 11 Jan 2020 16:29:01 No.11294101 Report

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Im curious about this as well. What about the gen z juuling problem?

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Anonymous Sat 11 Jan 2020 17:33:03 No.11294254 Report

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>>11294101
Being a stupid faggot is a different subject Anon.

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Anonymous Sat 11 Jan 2020 19:23:18 No.11294466 Report

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>>11293638
>almost three months

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Anonymous Sat 11 Jan 2020 19:25:35 No.11294470 Report

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>>11293644
this. concentration of nicotine in cigs is laughable. try quitting nicotine cold turkey with high concentration ejuice is nightmare mode.

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Anonymous Sat 11 Jan 2020 19:32:29 No.11294479 Report

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>>11294470
I used chewing tobacco to help me stop smoking. No doubt there is more nicotine but it is much easier to go all day without. Probably all the other crap in cigs that make things difficult. I still burn the "all natural" stuff now and then and am in no danger of permanently going back.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Jan 2020 19:42:25 No.11294493 Report

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You forget that most people are not really people, and rather just slaves to their feelings. Weh I want to smoke. Weh weh. Literally just don't buy them. It takes a long series of actions to actually be "addicted". It's a meme to be able to sue for money.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Jan 2020 20:38:25 No.11294587 Report

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>>11293684
from personal experience I think addiction is real, I use to drink a lot, one day decided to quit. I felt ok because I wasnt full on alcoholic, but after like a month being sober I started dreaming of drinking beer, I could taste in my dream, even after waking up I could still taste in my mouth. My body was literally bringing back those memories, the feeling of that taste and just 'emulating', it even happened several times when I wasnt asleep, I was drinking water glass of water and it did taste like water but at the same time I could taste beer. It sounds crazy but thats how it was for me, it wasnt hard to quit but somewhat annoying.

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Anonymous Sat 11 Jan 2020 20:47:19 No.11294604 Report

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>>11293644
You meant to say "behavioral", psychological could still imply the drug (or its absence) is strictly to blame. Nicotine "addiction" is entirely behavioral and people that say they can't go without it are no different than a pica patient eating dirt saying they can't go without dirt. They are to blame, not the medium in question. Nicotine withdrawal and urges for it are no stronger than that of caffeine.

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Anonymous Sat 11 Jan 2020 20:48:34 No.11294607 Report

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>>11294493
Based

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Anonymous Sat 11 Jan 2020 20:51:50 No.11294614 Report

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>>11294101
>>11294254
I'd say it's the same. "Just stop lol" literally doesn't work for some of these dumb kids, they are seemingly incapable of not hitting their vape pen every 5 seconds. When you feel the need to vape in cars, trains, indoors, everywhere, if it looks like a horse..

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Jan 2020 21:37:24 No.11294707 Report

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>>11293638
Right? I was a social smoker for like 10 years , smoking a pack a week with friends while out drinking.
But then I moved and no one fucking smokes here. My 2 cousins my age don't even drink. So for awhile I'd have a smoke on the highway, but honestly I don't even enjoy it anymore.
Zero withdrawals, I just don't do it anymore.
Tho admittedly I'll still have one if someone offers at a bar.

I'm wondering if I'm just not a creature of habit, or it's like how some medication works for some people and others get side effects and die. For sure we're all different with different chemical balances, but the cigarettes and medication are heavily regulated tho.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Jan 2020 21:38:31 No.11294710 Report

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>>11293638
I smoked about 10 a day for four years or so, quit cold turkey and felt like shit for the first week. The first three days I had such a foggy head. It isn't a myth.

I massively regret ever smoking, I hope it hasn't taken much off my life.

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