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Reality CANNOT Be a Simulation

Anonymous Sun 22 Dec 09:52:38 2019 No.11245255 View Reply Original Report

https://youtu.be/1tEtI9m-Vok

>There cannot be a simulation so real that someone inside it cannot escape
>There are no "degrees" of reality via simulations, everything is just as real as each other (consciousness)
>Simulation theory is just as stupid as the Hindu turtle theory

OH NONONONONO
Get cucked simulfags

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 22 Dec 2019 10:07:52 No.11245274 Report

Quoted By: >>11250186 >>11250957

Anon then what is reality

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 22 Dec 2019 10:09:52 No.11245277 Report

Quoted By: >>11245287

>There cannot be a simulation so real that someone inside it cannot escape

prove it

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Anonymous Sun 22 Dec 2019 10:13:23 No.11245280 Report

Quoted By: >>11245306 >>11245310

why should I care what this self-declared intellectual e-celeb douchebag armchair philosopher with a christmas hat has to say?

literally at every point I skip to in the video he's just splurging nonsense.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 22 Dec 2019 10:15:36 No.11245287 Report

Quoted By: >>11245305 >>11245673

>>11245277
Watch the video

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 22 Dec 2019 10:23:11 No.11245303 Report

Quoted By: >>11247475

>>11245255
Didn't even watch it but you can't escape the simulation just like a program can't escape your computer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 22 Dec 2019 10:23:50 No.11245305 Report

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>>11245255
>>11245287
What's the gestalt?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 22 Dec 2019 10:24:45 No.11245306 Report

Quoted By: >>11245309 >>11245310

>>11245280
Funnily enough, that e-celeb you're talking about used to browse this very board IIRC. I forgot which episode he mentioned this

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 22 Dec 2019 10:26:37 No.11245309 Report

Quoted By: >>11245310

>>11245306
wouldn't be surprised if he was the one who made this thread

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 22 Dec 2019 10:27:14 No.11245310 Report

Quoted By: >>11247249

>>11245280
>>11245306
>>11245309
He seems to think he's smarter than he actually is. At no point does he make a point, he just uses fancy words to dance around a construct.

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Anonymous Sun 22 Dec 2019 11:02:42 No.11245361 Report

Quoted By: >>11245405 >>11245563 >>11245565 >>11245573 >>11245592 >>11245675 >>11246028

For this to be a simulation, matter must not be real outside of it.

If matter in-simulation is as it is outside the simulation then what is the nature of this simulation? It means we are real but designed with limitations, for example our eyes can only detect visible light when in reality (of the simulation there are many more to be observed).

If matter outside of the simulation is unrecognisably different than what it is in-simulation what could it be? If it has no mass can it exist? I think not. For if it were not to have a mass that would mean the outer-simulation cannot effect anything that resides there.

We need to ask ourselves how the beings outside of our simulation interact or react to the "real universe". The "real" universe must have a property that effects the beings in some way or another. If not physically then via observation or consciously.

This is why I dont believe in the simulation theory.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 22 Dec 2019 11:36:02 No.11245405 Report

Quoted By: >>11245563

>>11245361
The matrix movies literally show at the normie tier level how everything you said here is wrong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 22 Dec 2019 11:38:32 No.11245407 Report

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>>11245255
sounds like bullshit philosophical words

Your conclusion is correct, tho. We probably do not live in a simulation. Quantum mechanics is almost unreasonably hard to simulate.

https://motls.blogspot.com/2013/03/we-dont-live-in-simulation.html

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 22 Dec 2019 11:51:33 No.11245423 Report

Quoted By: >>11245526

Reality is LIKE a simulation.
Like an MMORPG no two players have the same experience.
Each player's concept of reality is typically based on what they see, combined with the brainwashing of their upbringing.

If you can break the programming of your upbringing, and begin to see reality from multiple perspectives...play multiple characters in the MMORPG, then you see more of the big picture. You start to see how the game is made, the glue, the strings, the smoke, the mirrors. You begin to create your own game levels and custom maps. You ESCAPE the character, and become a game modder. Thus you escape reality, and become more godlike.

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Anonymous Sun 22 Dec 2019 12:27:36 No.11245459 Report

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>>11245255
>immaterialist
thank god he revealed this early and I can now safely close this video. also look at the fucking neurotoxically damaged schizo druggies in the comments

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Anonymous Sun 22 Dec 2019 12:30:56 No.11245463 Report

Quoted By: >>11245567 >>11245646

>video starts with well known pedophile symbol
What did they mean by this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 22 Dec 2019 12:32:24 No.11245467 Report

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>>11245255
>absolute s o y-warrior wearing a santa hat spouting nonsense
What an absolute crock of shit. This does absolutely nothing at all to 'disprove' the simulation theory.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 22 Dec 2019 13:17:42 No.11245521 Report

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>>11245255
What makes you think no one has escaped? Also there are no turtles in Hindu OP is fucking imbecile

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 22 Dec 2019 13:21:26 No.11245526 Report

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>>11245423
p based desu, you have leveled up. Do you need your next mission?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 22 Dec 2019 13:54:28 No.11245563 Report

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>>11245361
>>11245405
Are you really quoting a movie at him. At least try and debate the point.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 22 Dec 2019 13:55:42 No.11245565 Report

Quoted By: >>11245675 >>11246028

>>11245361
You know...this makes a lot of sense. What if the real universe is just like this one, but our universe is artificially kept seperate. Think artificial anti gravity.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 22 Dec 2019 14:02:39 No.11245567 Report

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>>11245463
he's a pedo and this video is pedo friendly

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 22 Dec 2019 14:07:18 No.11245573 Report

Quoted By: >>11245674

>>11245361
That’s just theology. Man has been poking at paradoxes and the idea of greater beings able to create and destroy according to their whims for millennia.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 22 Dec 2019 14:21:44 No.11245592 Report

Quoted By: >>11245674

>>11245361
You start with assumptions that are not needed. An ant farm is a sort of simulation. Physical reality can be combined with virtual reality. I don't care one way or another.
>>11245255
An hour and a half requires a summary bro.

What's with all this "consciousness" garbage? Everything else is "go to /x/" why does this flotsam get a pass?

I'm ten minutes in and this guy is just whistling his bong out his ass.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 22 Dec 2019 14:49:32 No.11245635 Report

Quoted By: >>11245648

>>11245255
I am open to arguments but sometimes even religion says the reality is(might) a simulation.
>In Hindu Texts, Reality is described as a dream of Lord vishnu as his wife parvati massages his legs while he lays on a giant serpant.

I know, I know religion is bullshit , but something weird about Hinduism is that they accurately calculated the age of the universe way back then. So I might say , that's something worth considering. Check out the days and night of Brahma for the procedure to calculate the age of universe

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Anonymous Sun 22 Dec 2019 14:55:16 No.11245646 Report

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>>11245463
means hes based

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Anonymous Sun 22 Dec 2019 14:56:16 No.11245648 Report

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>>11245635
Let me show you what Hindu is really about little nigga
http://esotericawakening.com/what-is-reality-the-holofractal-universe

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Anonymous Sun 22 Dec 2019 15:06:43 No.11245662 Report

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>>11245255
not that i disagree with the argument, reality being a simulation is retarded but...

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 22 Dec 2019 15:09:51 No.11245668 Report

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>>11245255
There's no reason that this theory can be correct while there are still simulations. We would still be part of the consciousness.... oh, he is just kinda saying that at 46 min in.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 22 Dec 2019 15:14:48 No.11245673 Report

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>>11245287
sure, I'll get back to you in 1 hour and 30 minutes

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 22 Dec 2019 15:16:10 No.11245674 Report

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>>11245573
How is it just theology. All of that was factual.

>>11245592
Perhaps the glass for the ant colony is the edge of the universe scientists have discovered.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 22 Dec 2019 15:16:17 No.11245675 Report

Quoted By: >>11245678

>>11245361
Holy shit, grammar mistakes, thinking massless particles have no effect, pointless rant about an external environment that includes no well constructed argument or any insight at all.

>>11245565

Has this board been invaded by extremely dumb normies? The sci fi and pop sci threads are innumerous

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 22 Dec 2019 15:19:23 No.11245678 Report

Quoted By: >>11245690

>>11245675
I have chad testosterone fingers. These smartphones are designed for soi eating asians and cucks like you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 22 Dec 2019 15:27:59 No.11245690 Report

Quoted By: >>11246028

>>11245678
Don't apologize to that dummy. Fucker blows hot air. My fellow chad fingered brethren.

>>11245255
I'm an hour in and start with a chip on my shoulder that he keeps knocking off. I believe that existence doesn't exist and seems he may be getting there. Idk about the "limitations of consciousness." I think that our inability to change our beliefs may demonstrate that there is really no consciousness to be had. There is no reason why not, in an infinite nothing, there may be nothing that thinks that it is something. But rigid beliefs.. well. Nothing isn't much to work with.

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Anonymous Sun 22 Dec 2019 15:35:38 No.11245699 Report

Quoted By: >>11247251 >>11247282 >>11247481

> nuh uh but it's not christian god, it's not a man, religion is fake, man in the sky is stupid
> it's a big ol computer in the sky being controlled by a man
>or who knows maybe an alien
>and they created the whole world and all the energy and matter and they're simulating existence
>their world is more real than ours because they created ours

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 22 Dec 2019 17:42:24 No.11245890 Report

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>>11245255
why does the video have that fucking pedo spiral?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 22 Dec 2019 18:56:10 No.11246028 Report

Quoted By: >>11246036 >>11247199

>>11245361
You don’t show that the opening posit is anything else than a non sequitur in that retarded wordsalad. Just look at the absolute state of this sentence
> If it has no mass can it exist? I think not. For if it were not to have a mass that would mean the outer-simulation cannot effect anything that resides there.
What the fuck lol. I’m hoping >>11245565 and >>11245690 are you too so it’s just one person with this low IQ on my board

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 22 Dec 2019 19:00:49 No.11246036 Report

Quoted By: >>11246104

>>11246028
How do you think that I may be the other. It is like you are flaunting how stupid you are. Im certain that my IQ is higher than yours. If you can't understand, just go and let the big boys speak.

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Coffeeberry Sun 22 Dec 2019 19:05:43 No.11246043 Report

Quoted By: >>11246057

>>11245255

>There cannot be a simulation so real that someone inside it cannot escape

What would you do if someone locked you in their basement and tortured you for decades anon? Aside from sitting there, being tortured, and being unable to escape I mean....

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 22 Dec 2019 19:09:22 No.11246057 Report

Quoted By: >>11246063 >>11247501

>>11246043
Real is real which isn't real. The escape is of the mind, not the chains.

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Coffeeberry Sun 22 Dec 2019 19:13:03 No.11246063 Report

Quoted By: >>11246091

>>11246057

Ok anon; if I'm ever locked in someone's torture cellar, with the threat of being tortured for decades on end, I'll make sure to give permenantly astrally projecting my consciousness away from my body a try.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 22 Dec 2019 19:22:30 No.11246091 Report

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>>11246063
Aren't you doing that already? Consciousness is my hang up. If there is one, Idk if it is "mine" It can't be measured because it isn't there. I gather the meaning is that a simulation is still a part of the same reality and is, therefore, reality. Dog chases tail.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 22 Dec 2019 19:30:16 No.11246104 Report

Quoted By: >>11246253

>>11246036
You have a reading comprehension that matches your low IQ. But pls entertain us and expand on what you mean in the greentexted bit there for starters. Then we can pick the rest apart after

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 22 Dec 2019 20:50:44 No.11246253 Report

Quoted By: >>11246285

>>11246104
I haven't green texted anything you pipefish.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 22 Dec 2019 21:02:37 No.11246285 Report

Quoted By: >>11246312

>>11246253
I thought it was going to be obvious that I meant the bit I quoted in greentext but sry for forgetting to account for that you’re a mental midget
>If it has no mass can it exist? I think not. For if it were not to have a mass that would mean the outer-simulation cannot effect anything that resides there.
I’m really interested in hearing what you think this means

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Anonymous Sun 22 Dec 2019 21:18:31 No.11246312 Report

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>>11246285
The mass of the universe equals zero units. There are wooden ducks on this board, who understand this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Dec 2019 04:57:57 No.11247199 Report

Quoted By: >>11247214 >>11247965

>>11246028
That sentence gets expanded on in the next paragraph. You must have nigger-levels of attention span.

The "real universe" must have properties like mass or force for it to be real. Why? The beings that reside in the real universe MUST be able to interact with it. Apart from mass and force what else could it be? There are only two ways a being can react with "something". Physically or conciously. If they cannot interact with their real universe at all that means it doesnt exist.

But what if they interact with the real universe conciously instead of physically. Perhaps we dont have the ability to detect like they do, therefore it's invisible/non existant to us.

If that were the case then that would mean our simulation universe is more of a prison than a simulation. We exist. We a built with matter from the real universe, we just cant detect it all.Theres just something out there much bigger than us.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Dec 2019 05:02:34 No.11247214 Report

Quoted By: >>11247965

>>11247199
>You must have nigger-levels of attention span
But why give him this amount of respect?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Dec 2019 05:25:14 No.11247249 Report

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>>11245310

Actually he did make couple decent points. Which were that simulation theory just utilizes the same framework as religion concerning the origin of existence as we know it. Religion uses "God" while Simulation Theory uses "Computer".

And that supporters of both can't explain what came prior to either one and cannot explain the substance that makes up "God" and "Computer" and how it differs intrinsically from our own reality.

If Simulation Theory can't properly resolve these two points than it's no better than shit like hollow earth theory.

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Anonymous Mon 23 Dec 2019 05:25:55 No.11247251 Report

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>>11245699
Got news for you bud. The Christian God is just some dood.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Dec 2019 05:28:36 No.11247257 Report

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>>11245255
All "this cannot be a simulations" relies on an improvable axion, that reality exists according to the same laws as this life. That is, newtons laws, quantum physics, etc etc is the same and is not different.

This is a flawed assumption; it's the same as coding a 2d shitty video game with only left/right/up/down movements, and saying "behold! You cannot simulate a 2d game with only left/right/up/down movement using *only* a 2d game with only left/right/up/down movement, therefore a 2d game with only left/right/up/down movement is impossible."

Chances are, if a more complex/different/higher existence exists, we could be a much simpler 3d simulation from that reality.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Dec 2019 05:34:54 No.11247272 Report

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>>11245255
Who gives a shit.
DESU I don't consider reality a simulation because the universe is infinite so I can just take it as a probabilistic Turing machine anyway

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Dec 2019 05:38:31 No.11247282 Report

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>>11245699
lmao simulation losers btfo

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Dec 2019 05:56:28 No.11247303 Report

Quoted By: >>11247749

>>11245255
>There cannot be a simulation so real that someone inside it cannot escape

Dreams. There is NOTHING real in your dreams. It is IMPOSSIBLE to come up with a fail-proof test to use to prove if you are asleep or not. You can just dream the results of the "test" to be "false".

P.S. this is something that all enlightened people have to come to grips with. You must be true to yourself in ALL realities.

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Anonymous Mon 23 Dec 2019 07:58:21 No.11247462 Report

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Nothing outside your own thoughts can be known to be real. So it doesn't really matter if existence is a simulation or not.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Dec 2019 08:04:43 No.11247475 Report

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>>11245303
This. Hurr durr I'm a bunch of 1s and 0s, I'll just escape from the computer.
With what, TCP/IP? Where? Another simulation :)

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Dec 2019 08:10:00 No.11247481 Report

Quoted By: >>11247500

>>11245699
>computer in the sky
This is not the simulation argument, the computer/God is the hardware of life.

Imagine you are the main character in a Grand Theft Auto game, but sentient, and no player controlling you, just auto-play. You are made up of 1's and 0's. The Playstation device is God. The developers of the game are other types of Gods that created your God and created you.
If anything, the simulation argument implies poly-theism if you dont think of God as a person but a platform that enables the simulation to occur.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Dec 2019 08:33:33 No.11247500 Report

Quoted By: >>11247740

>>11247481
But how does calling any of that a simulation get you anywhere, all you've described is a set of rules by which a reality could exist but you insist on imagining it as a computer with code and 1s and 0s and grand theft auto.

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Anonymous Mon 23 Dec 2019 08:34:42 No.11247501 Report

Quoted By: >>11247843

>There cannot be a simulation so real that someone inside it cannot escape
that's bullshit, if you have a type of computer who can simulate reality and NPCS who think they have consciousness, you will also made them to think they are free and to wonder what if they are in a simulation .
Even if we are living in a simulation, the "things" who made us are just playing with us, you can't escape, only if they want you to escape from this simulation. So everything is just talking.

>>11246057

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Anonymous Mon 23 Dec 2019 11:39:39 No.11247718 Report

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>>11245255
>>There cannot be a simulation so real that someone inside it cannot escape
Why tho? And besides, why does everyone always think of it as something from which to escape? Not in the sense of "maybe we don't want to leave" but in the sense that we might be as much a part of the simulation as anything else.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Dec 2019 11:55:03 No.11247740 Report

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>>11247500
>But how does calling any of that a simulation get you anywhere
It doesn't. It's just a big bruhhh what ifff

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Dec 2019 12:07:19 No.11247749 Report

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>>11247303
there are actually many methods people use to see if they're in a dream so they can start lucid dreaming

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Dec 2019 12:08:38 No.11247753 Report

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>>11245255
>There are no "degrees" of reality via simulations, everything is just as real as each other
you cannot prove this

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Dec 2019 12:32:26 No.11247777 Report

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are there any real arguments for this simulation fad? so far i've only come across deluded computer "scientists" in search of relevance and musk fan boys in search of a brain

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Anonymous Mon 23 Dec 2019 13:20:34 No.11247843 Report

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>>11247501
Npcs dont think looool. Do you think the computer characters on your game are alive? I just spit out my coffee. Thank you based retard poster.

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Anonymous Mon 23 Dec 2019 13:25:41 No.11247848 Report

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>>11245255
You made me rewatch matrix and watch a video about baudrillard
Are you happy?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Dec 2019 14:41:21 No.11247965 Report

Quoted By: >>11248621 >>11249955

>>11247199
>The "real universe" must have properties like mass or force for it to be real. Why? The beings that reside in the real universe MUST be able to interact with it.
Jesus christ. Do you not know what massless particles are? Do you not know that massless particles have interactions? Why do you make these ungrounded statements and postulate from them when you have a below popsci understanding of physics? Why are you and your even more low IQ yes-man here >>11247214 even on /sci/?

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Anonymous Mon 23 Dec 2019 14:54:26 No.11247987 Report

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>>11245255
>>Simulation theory is just as stupid as the Hindu turtle theory
top kek

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Dec 2019 15:38:06 No.11248064 Report

Quoted By: >>11250096

>>11245255
You're right, simulation hypothesis is completely bunk. Everyone who says that we live in a simulation is making an unfalsifiable assertion, and it is therefore meaningless. You're not actually referring to reality if your assertion is unfalsifiable. For example, if I claim that there is an invisible dragon in my garage, so someone tries to test it (like they do in The Invisible Man), but no dragon is found. Then the person who made the claim qualifies it by saying that the dragon is also intangible and not detectable — both of those assertions are also unfalsifiable. Now, the person who made the claim is not even talking about reality because it makes no difference whether the dragon exists or not; it is therefore meaningless.
Simulation hypothesis is the exact same philosophical/theoretical armchair wankery. Every time a test is done, and doesn't find anything (because simulation hypothesis is unfalsifiable nonsense), the proponents further qualify the hypothesis.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Dec 2019 19:44:46 No.11248621 Report

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>>11247965
>Jesus christ
Not science or math. Why are you even here?

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Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 08:09:17 No.11249955 Report

Quoted By: >>11250189

>>11247965
>The beings that reside in the real universe MUST be able to interact with it. Apart from mass and force what else could it be?

You didnt even read it you pseudo twat.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 10:26:39 No.11250096 Report

Quoted By: >>11250183

>>11245255
>babby's first idealism

I skipped through the video, this is basically the abstract. His claim in the first 20 minute or so that the simulation thesis doesn't answer the question of the actual substance is a strawman. The simulation thesis doesn't concern itself with that, it just seeks to explain our reality (with statistics), rather than trying to explain ultimate reality,

>>11248064
Idealism is unfalsifiable as well. There is no falsifiability clause in metaphysics.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 12:12:31 No.11250183 Report

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>>11250096
>it just seeks to explain our reality (with statistics)
How

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 12:16:48 No.11250186 Report

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>>11245274
The perception of the world around us.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 12:20:02 No.11250189 Report

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>>11249955
Are you just saying words at this point? Where did I misunderstand you when pointing out that you erroneously seem to think that mass is necessary for interactions?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 19:27:20 No.11250894 Report

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>>11245255
Can a simulation be reality?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 20:09:28 No.11250957 Report

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>>11245274
Consciousness.
And consciousness is the perception of time/change of various states of awareness of ones environment. Perceiving a 0 changing to a 1 can be described as consciousness in its most primitive state.

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