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Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 01:13:35 2019 No.11239335 View Reply Original Report

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Does DMT prove the existence of an afterlife?

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Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2019 01:15:58 No.11239344 Report

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>>11239335
No, it just proves that you can have really screwed up altered perceptions of reality.

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Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2019 01:17:51 No.11239349 Report

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Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2019 01:37:38 No.11239391 Report

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>>11239344
but can you argue that whatever you see is not from this world. I mean humans aren't used to seeing the imagery described from people reporting on trips.

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Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2019 01:40:03 No.11239394 Report

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>>11239391
do dreams prove the existence of an afterlife? not really

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Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2019 01:54:03 No.11239417 Report

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>>11239391
Have done DMT before. Sure, it feels out of this world and I've almost been convinced that it is, but it's just a drug that makes brain chemicals goes funky. That's it.
Figuring out how it forms the altered perceptions is a feat of neurobiology in and of itself, no need to be making up anything. Nature is filled with mysteries as it is

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Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2019 03:25:49 No.11239599 Report

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>>11239335
DMT causes you to hallucinate. These hallucinations are not real. So no it does not. Not even close.

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Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2019 03:30:47 No.11239614 Report

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Equally fascinating is how DeepDream produces similar graphics, which I infer to mean that neural nets just have a propensity to generate such imagery under certain inputs and configurations.

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Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2019 03:39:41 No.11239634 Report

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>>11239335
No. DMT proves you are stupid.

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Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2019 04:00:18 No.11239699 Report

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>>11239599
prove it.

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Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2019 15:43:44 No.11240905 Report

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Why do you still see stuff when you pass out from too much Nitros Oxide while taking DMT beforehand

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Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2019 18:03:44 No.11241208 Report

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>>11239599
The point is that the perception twist is as real as regular reality. Making everything through the looking glass.

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Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2019 18:08:58 No.11241219 Report

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>>11239335
No, but from what I've read it can convince you otherwise.

I've never taken DMT, but did some LSD and boy, does that make you susceptible to suggestion and auto suggestion. You can "figure out" the world, but actually it's all in your head.

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Anonymous Sat 21 Dec 2019 00:20:21 No.11241941 Report

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>>11239391

Ever lucid dream? The brain can create some pretty wild stuff.

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Anonymous Sat 21 Dec 2019 00:24:43 No.11241947 Report

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>>11241219
>the whole world is really just in your head
yes, obviously.

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Anonymous Sat 21 Dec 2019 00:26:59 No.11241952 Report

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>>11241947
>the whole world is really just in your head
Not really. There is a reality outside of your body and mind.

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Anonymous Sat 21 Dec 2019 00:27:31 No.11241955 Report

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>>11239335
Only if you're Jordan Peterson

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Anonymous Sat 21 Dec 2019 00:31:25 No.11241966 Report

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>>11239349
this /thread

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Anonymous Sat 21 Dec 2019 00:35:09 No.11241975 Report

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>>11241208
Why do people wear glasses if shitty eyesight is just as real as 2020 vision?

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Anonymous Sat 21 Dec 2019 00:41:18 No.11241986 Report

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>>11241952
You can say that, but it's an assumption that you can never prove:

> point to something outside of your brain, outside of your internal senses

Just like the alternate assumption that it's actually all outside "your mind":

>point to your mind, show me where this "you" that you claim to be exists, apart from the emergent, material world

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Anonymous Sat 21 Dec 2019 02:45:41 No.11242242 Report

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>>11241947
I meant that it gives you the feeling that you figured the answer to existence, but in actuality it's just a feeling. A very believable feeling.

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Anonymous Sat 21 Dec 2019 02:58:56 No.11242258 Report

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>>11241986
>but it's an assumption that you can never prove:
So? You can't disprove solipsism but it's still really dumb

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Anonymous Sat 21 Dec 2019 03:26:08 No.11242294 Report

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>>11242242
Plenty of contemporary mathematical models and experimentation gives us a very convincing feeling that we've stumbled upon some kind of fundamental understanding, too.

>>11242258
Is not being able to prove X equal to not being able to disprove Y..?

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Anonymous Sat 21 Dec 2019 05:02:15 No.11242448 Report

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>>11242294
>Is not being able to prove X equal to not being able to disprove Y..?
If X is ~Y, yes. Absolutely.

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Anonymous Sat 21 Dec 2019 11:50:26 No.11243025 Report

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>>11242448
So then, to say that we cannot prove:
>there is a reality outside of your body and mind.

is equal to saying that we cannot disprove:
>there is no reality beyond your mind alone.

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Anonymous Sat 21 Dec 2019 12:05:12 No.11243036 Report

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>>11239335
Yes

>>11239344
Our cultural perception of reality is screwed up. DMT perception is what reality actually is like

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Anonymous Sat 21 Dec 2019 12:06:15 No.11243039 Report

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>>11239599
You are hallucinating a reality right now, but you blissfully ignore that fact.

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Anonymous Sat 21 Dec 2019 12:39:32 No.11243057 Report

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>>11239335
>>11239417
Has anyone on /sci/ done DPT? If so, how does it compare to DMT?

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Anonymous Sat 21 Dec 2019 12:52:11 No.11243070 Report

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>>11239335
no

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Anonymous Sat 21 Dec 2019 18:39:17 No.11243586 Report

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>>11239335
I've heard plenty of people who report interacting with the same entities while tripping. If that phenomenon is studied and they find that people know things about each others' trips that they shouldn't know about, that would be some pretty good evidence.

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Anonymous Sat 21 Dec 2019 18:48:15 No.11243599 Report

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>>11239335
No. Even if you could establish DMT entities were autonomously existing creatures and not the product of your own brain while on DMT you would still need to establish these entities were undead zombies or whatever you're imagining here.

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Anonymous Sat 21 Dec 2019 18:50:57 No.11243605 Report

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>>11239391
>humans aren't used to seeing the imagery described from people reporting on trips
That's why it's called an *altered* state. It sounds like you fell for the 'DMT The Spirit Molecule' meme about your brain producing DMT on its own when you dream or when you die. None of that is based in factual evidence. It's just random speculative bullshit Rick Strassman made up and then Joe Rogan repeated a million times.
Point being you aren't naturally anything like someone on a DMT trip in your normal state of mind so of course what you see might be radically different from what you'd normally be seeing sober.

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Anonymous Sat 21 Dec 2019 22:34:47 No.11243950 Report

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No, it just proves that our biggest conflict is the existential one.

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