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Are Mathematics real?

Anonymous Mon 16 Dec 16:46:49 2019 No.11230546 View Reply Original Report

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Hello /sci/ anons .
Are Mathematics human invention?
Or universe lenguaje?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Dec 2019 16:48:23 No.11230549 Report

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Probably an invention, why else would Pi number be so irrational?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Dec 2019 17:01:02 No.11230564 Report

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>>11230546
Yes, something so horrible could only be created by man

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Dec 2019 17:04:45 No.11230568 Report

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>>11230549
If they are an invention :why nature have mathematics patterns , for example rate of growth ,e

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Dec 2019 17:10:28 No.11230577 Report

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>>11230568
Any real scenario you apply math to is an approximation of reality. If I calculate the growth rate of something it will never be exact, always an approximation, an average, etc. I can calculate the area of a square to be an irrational number, but could I draw it exactly that way in real life?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Dec 2019 17:11:37 No.11230579 Report

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>>11230546
It's not invented, but discovered. This is trivial seeing as all models of computation are equivalent/unique only up to isomorphism, which wouldn't be the case if it were invented.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOiZatlZtGU
Computation is not a human creation, the laws of computation are intrinsic to reality, and mathematics corresponds to computation so it is also not invented.

>>11230549
What does Pi being irrational have to do with it being invented?

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Anonymous Mon 16 Dec 2019 17:14:12 No.11230585 Report

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>>11230579
I like this

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Dec 2019 17:17:46 No.11230587 Report

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>>11230579
>What does Pi being irrational have to do with it being invented?
I'm not that guy but if you were to draw a real circle, it is not a perfect circle, its made of atoms. So does pi actually occur in nature or have we just made it up to describe idealized objects.

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Anonymous Mon 16 Dec 2019 17:23:12 No.11230596 Report

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>>11230587
I'm pretty sure yes but with out all the decimals ,this is called error in the measurements ,fisics take care of real objects and ideas while math is about idealized ideas ,
We can prove pi and e are irrationals.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Dec 2019 17:28:15 No.11230605 Report

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>>11230587
Any constructive proof of pi is a proof of it's existence.
"nature" is that which is computation. There is no such thing as some sort of "reality" or "nature" that isn't computation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Dec 2019 17:29:54 No.11230606 Report

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>>11230546
Mathematics is artifiicial and merely useful practically

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Dec 2019 17:31:53 No.11230610 Report

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>>11230546
I think that what you're asking is weather mathematics was discovered or created.

The fact that it is an universal language is obvious.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Dec 2019 17:38:26 No.11230620 Report

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>>11230546
It's a creation by humans. There are "discoveries" in math that are consequences due to certain axioms, but it's not like we find them under rocks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Dec 2019 17:41:33 No.11230624 Report

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Since there are multiple universal constants from where you can create several axioms, we have to deduct that mathematics was discovered.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Dec 2019 17:44:58 No.11230630 Report

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>>11230606
>>11230620
False, as is already demonstrated in this thread.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Dec 2019 17:53:47 No.11230644 Report

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>>11230579
Eh, Curry-Howard-Lamberk correspondence means that things like recipes are discovered if mathematics is discovered.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Dec 2019 17:55:33 No.11230648 Report

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>>11230549
It is? Maybe from Nature's POV, Pi is the unit and it is our numbers that are fucked up irrationals relative to it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Dec 2019 18:31:39 No.11230722 Report

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>>11230644
Now you're getting it.
In fact, there is no such thing as "invention" at all

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Dec 2019 22:13:33 No.11231275 Report

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>>11230546
Short answer: no math is invented because it relies on limits of whatever the universal mind goes with ayy

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