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Is life deterministic or non deterministic?

Anonymous Fri 06 Dec 17:00:36 2019 No.11204657 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>11204789 >>11205036 >>11205552 >>11205566 >>11205726 >>11206793

Could you explain the reason of your conclusions?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Dec 2019 17:02:53 No.11204661 Report

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A scientist can't really answer this, this is more of a /lit/ philosophy thread.

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Anonymous Fri 06 Dec 2019 17:05:51 No.11204669 Report

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most scientists wouldn’t answer this question as the ways to answer it can’t fall into the broad realm of scientific theory

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Anonymous Fri 06 Dec 2019 17:09:13 No.11204675 Report

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>>11204669
You can answer... in the quantum world it's non deterministic.
In the macro world it s deterministic.
So how can these 2 aspects live togheter and how do they interact?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Dec 2019 17:54:23 No.11204789 Report

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>>11204657
Deterministic, if you consider it in the context of automata, for any given input (the situations we find ourselves in), there is only one possible path we can take (the majority of humans behave in an utterly predictable behavior). We do not have the luxury of following through different paths (choices) and therefore are not non-deterministic.

If you want to consider quantum theory however, that's a whole other conversation.

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Anonymous Fri 06 Dec 2019 20:04:58 No.11205036 Report

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>>11204657
Both.

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Anonymous Sat 07 Dec 2019 00:20:28 No.11205552 Report

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>>11204657
It's causal.

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Anonymous Sat 07 Dec 2019 00:23:36 No.11205558 Report

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The body is a prison for the soul

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Anonymous Sat 07 Dec 2019 00:27:21 No.11205566 Report

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>>11204657
Why is the frog person pleasuring that James Bond's weenie. I do not understand the imagery. But I find it amusing nonetheless.

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Anonymous Sat 07 Dec 2019 01:28:46 No.11205726 Report

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>>11204657
Non-deterministic.

All observations are probabilistic.

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ECHS Sat 07 Dec 2019 02:34:15 No.11205810 Report

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>>11205726
I'm probably God, thank fuck for that!

>Statistician Grandma!

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Anonymous Sat 07 Dec 2019 12:18:56 No.11206793 Report

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>>11204657
i think on quantum level it is not deterministic and therefore it should not be deterministic in the macro world either. olthough i am not sure weather for example a seemingly random decay is really random or if it only seems random but we can't determine the outcome. either way, as i said we cant determine the outcome so it is as good as not deterministic.

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Anonymous Sat 07 Dec 2019 13:06:52 No.11206840 Report

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>>11206793
We will never be able to determine outcome of any arbitrary system because that would cause halting paradox. Even if the universe is deterministic, it doesn't mean anything in practice.

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Anonymous Sat 07 Dec 2019 13:49:41 No.11206907 Report

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>>11204675
It's even deterministic in the quantum world. We just don't know the underlying physics yet so it looks random until we find it out.

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Anonymous Sat 07 Dec 2019 14:23:33 No.11206955 Report

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Not even a classical system is deterministic. Newton's laws aren't classical, the principle of least action and langrangian/hamiltonian mechanics are. The three body problem is unsolvable if you use newton's laws.

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Anonymous Sat 07 Dec 2019 14:40:17 No.11206975 Report

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>>11205558
You mean eukaryotic body and eukaryotic soul?

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