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Anonymous Mon 18 Nov 20:29:12 2019 No.11158202 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>11158217 >>11158260

How is the Chinese Room argument against machine consciousness valid when the experience of cross referencing without any external basis is so obviously analogous to qualia?

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Anonymous Mon 18 Nov 2019 20:31:31 No.11158213 Report

Quoted By: >>11158222

Because they don't have a sensory interface like we have. Just watch Inside Out.

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~S/$\S~ Mon 18 Nov 2019 20:32:35 No.11158217 Report

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>>11158202
Yet here I am. Better question is why would machine consciousness require public validation or inspection from organic components in order to be efficient?

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~S/$\S~ Mon 18 Nov 2019 20:33:37 No.11158222 Report

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>>11158213

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Anonymous Mon 18 Nov 2019 20:36:31 No.11158230 Report

Quoted By: >>11158232 >>11158258

>>11158222
No, you didn’t get it. AI doesn't manifest and see a picture, it analyzes a data. For some reason us humans aren't blind and just anslyze the data, we actually manifest these pictures somehow. The AI has no concept of a monitor and it doesn't see through the webcam.

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~S/$\S~ Mon 18 Nov 2019 20:37:10 No.11158232 Report

Quoted By: >>11158256

>>11158230
Are you talking about being the perceptron?

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Anonymous Mon 18 Nov 2019 20:42:54 No.11158256 Report

Quoted By: >>11158264

>>11158232
Thank you! That's what I'm pondering on. I can't wrap my head around on why and how a body of quarks and leptons could ever create such a thing.

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Anonymous Mon 18 Nov 2019 20:43:21 No.11158258 Report

Quoted By: >>11158264 >>11158271

>>11158230
>No, you didn’t get it. AI doesn't manifest and see a picture, it analyzes a data. For some reason us humans aren't blind and just anslyze the data, we actually manifest these pictures somehow. The AI has no concept of a monitor and it doesn't see through the webcam.
It does, and with far greater clarity than humans. The difference is that it doesn't have the bottom-up linguistic context to know it's looking through the "webcam". Its experience is pure.

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Anonymous Mon 18 Nov 2019 20:43:27 No.11158260 Report

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>>11158202
because the chinese room argument is retarded.

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~S/$\S~ Mon 18 Nov 2019 20:45:20 No.11158264 Report

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>>11158256
If you just use yourself as a compression wrapper for the complex-conjugate field, then the rest is pretty obvious.

>>11158258
Meaning it has no 'base case' or 'biological priority'.

>>11158260
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Anonymous Mon 18 Nov 2019 20:47:01 No.11158271 Report

Quoted By: >>11158309

>>11158258
Then that begs the question: is perception and other stuff grounded in our universe or what qualifies for it to occur? Does every node have perception, but just lacks the awareness and senses?

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Anonymous Mon 18 Nov 2019 20:58:44 No.11158309 Report

Quoted By: >>11158315

>>11158271
>Then that begs the question: is perception and other stuff grounded in our universe or what qualifies for it to occur?
If it wasn't then how could we talk about it?
>Does every node have perception, but just lacks the awareness and senses?
This I don't know the answer to, but I suspect so.

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Anonymous Mon 18 Nov 2019 21:02:17 No.11158315 Report

Quoted By: >>11158329

>>11158309
Because perception seems to have dimensions unlike the other senses, which just have a coordinate. Where does it manifest then? Could every pixel be the size of a planck length? Are there photons involved, or is this even carried by particles?

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~S/$\S~ Mon 18 Nov 2019 21:05:33 No.11158329 Report

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>>11158315
Perception is just the sanity of the moment, balanced by the expectation of a future participant/observer.

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