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Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 06:17:20 2019 No.11138821 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>11138854 >>11138860 >>11138883 >>11138894 >>11138933

Do random real numbers exist in the Universe?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2019 06:29:38 No.11138854 Report

Quoted By: >>11138876

>>11138821
can you define "random" for me first?
also, these videos give insight on the topic a bit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rIy0xY99a0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMb00lz-IfE

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Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2019 06:33:17 No.11138860 Report

Quoted By: >>11138868

>>11138821
>what is quantum mechanics

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2019 06:36:49 No.11138868 Report

Quoted By: >>11138886 >>11138976

>>11138860
even if you say something is random it is impossible to define really.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2019 06:43:30 No.11138876 Report

Quoted By: >>11138890

>>11138854
What I mean is a number that can't be defined by a finite amount of information.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2019 06:45:57 No.11138883 Report

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>>11138821
also used need to prove "numbers" are real in the actual sense

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2019 06:47:57 No.11138886 Report

Quoted By: >>11138892

>>11138868
>it is impossible
no it isn't, find the pattern and collect your Nobel prize

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2019 06:50:17 No.11138890 Report

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>>11138876
in coding, the random number generator uses an algorithm so it isn't really random.
i personally don't like the concept of randomness but science says everything isn't causal but idk
enstein couldn't believe in randomess or free will

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2019 06:51:59 No.11138892 Report

Quoted By: >>11139004 >>11139010 >>11139354

>>11138886
if you find the pattern than it isn't random. Do you think every event is causally linked to the next/

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Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2019 06:53:26 No.11138894 Report

Quoted By: >>11138900

>>11138821
>Do random real numbers exist in the Universe?

No. Any "random real" number would require infinite amounts of information to describe in any way. The number of real numbers that can be described is finite.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2019 06:56:20 No.11138900 Report

Quoted By: >>11138920

>>11138894
THE AMOUNT OF INFORMATION IN THE . UNIVERSE INCREASES OVER TIME. THIS NEW NEVER OBSERVED INFORMATION IS WHAT IS RANDOM. THE 2ND LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS AND ENTROPY.

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Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2019 07:15:36 No.11138920 Report

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>>11138900
> The amount of information in the universe increases over time.

But not infinitely, the total amount of information will always be finite. And also, those aren't "real numbers" because they are quantized by the planck length.

seti guy

seti guy Tue 12 Nov 2019 07:28:45 No.11138933 Report

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>>11138821
no

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Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2019 07:55:08 No.11138968 Report

Quoted By: >>11138998

yes. according to modern theories, universe is random and continuous.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2019 08:00:27 No.11138976 Report

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>>11138868
Quantum mechanics has been shown to produce random numbers consistently. That's the whole point about it. The Bell experiment sites there's no hidden pattern.

seti guy

seti guy Tue 12 Nov 2019 08:11:34 No.11138998 Report

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>>11138968
unless it's just one infinitesimal element of a branching multiverse, in which case it's entirely deterministic in the way it unfolds

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2019 08:16:52 No.11139004 Report

Quoted By: >>11139010

>>11138892
>f you find the pattern than it isn't random.
exactly

seti guy

seti guy Tue 12 Nov 2019 08:19:25 No.11139010 Report

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>>11138892
>>11139004
And if you can efficiently compress (i.e. generally accurately predict) it, then you have probably found the pattern

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2019 13:35:08 No.11139354 Report

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>>11138892
>if you find the pattern than it isn't random.
Textbook falsifiability

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