>>11093030The issue here is whether the system in question is too complex to be described by humans, i.e. it is "emergent". This would make the system as an ontological object inaccessible to us as we could never gain enough information about the system in any way to understand it. On the other hand, if we can't understand it because we do not yet have enough information about said system, then the issue is epistemological, where we do not yet have the knowledge to say anything about it.
Now it is because there is not clarification on what type of systems there actually are and could potentially exist that people spout their strong emergentist nonsense. This is especially true when we regard consciousness, or some other processes in the brain, some people just can't tell the difference between an ontologically complex and epistemologically complex system.
I have a paper on this that I might post later, it's on my PC at home so you idiots will have to wait for it
