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Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 05:16:14 2019 No.11078973 View Reply Original Report

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Math is deterministic
Quantum physics isn't

Ergo, math isn't an accurate portrait of reality. QED.

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Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2019 05:19:58 No.11078983 Report

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Isn't quantum physics described with probability?

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Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2019 05:21:09 No.11078985 Report

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>>11078973
>Quantum physics isn't
Can someone remind us why QM isn't deterministic again?
Ah yes, something something, our tools aren't good enough, something something
Unless I'm wrong? Educate me.

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Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2019 05:28:57 No.11078995 Report

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>>11078973
ever hear of probability bro?

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Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2019 05:33:05 No.11079005 Report

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Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2019 07:17:22 No.11079207 Report

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>>11078973
Quantum mechanics is perfectly deterministic up to the point where you measure something (= combine it with a classical system).

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Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2019 07:30:49 No.11079226 Report

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>he only does math with deterministic objects

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Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2019 13:10:51 No.11079643 Report

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>>11078973
This isn’t a well defined statement. If you’re using it to say what I think you’re saying, you’re still wrong - probability exists, random processes exist, nondeterministic Turing machines exist, etc.

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Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2019 14:02:19 No.11079721 Report

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I don't trust quantum physicists.

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Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2019 18:10:58 No.11080146 Report

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Quantum physics is superdeterministic

Bells inequality is literally irrelevant

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Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2019 18:19:30 No.11080165 Report

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>>11078973
Why did you put a picture of computation tree for DTM’s vs NDTM’s to talk about quantum physics? Classical computation wouldn’t help much here in analogizing, and I doubt you have the background to do anything in quantum information / computation / complexity

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Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2019 18:31:10 No.11080189 Report

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>Math is deterministic
Nope.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probability_theory

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