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Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 08:47:01 2019 No.11073093 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>11073116 >>11073297 >>11073318 >>11073638 >>11074057 >>11076048

Spacefu Edition
Claim yours before it's too late.

Previously on /sfg/:
>>>11061332

Useful links:
https://spaceflightnow.com/launch-schedule/
https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 08:54:19 No.11073100 Report

Quoted By: >>11073110

>falling for the NASA lie

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Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 09:06:14 No.11073110 Report

Quoted By: >>11073297 >>11073300 >>11073318

>>11073100
NASA not existing in the first place would make a great conspiracy theory. It would be like a shell organization designed to steal taxpayer money, and delay the future of space travel. I've never even seen anything from NASA in person. Coincidence? I think not.

They took this from us. Stolen our dreams, our spacefus, and I'll never forgive them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 09:09:14 No.11073112 Report

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These test booking suggest a hop in November?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 09:13:17 No.11073116 Report

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>>11073093
You linked wrong previous thread, here is the real one:

>>11066471

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Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 09:51:30 No.11073155 Report

Quoted By: >>11073158 >>11073297 >>11073318

Speaking of space hotties, how about that Christina Koch?

I have a massive crush on her (and her surname is pronounced "Cook" so don't be lewd)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 09:54:12 No.11073158 Report

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>>11073155
she's nice, probably the prettiest space waifu I've seen

also knowing she's highly intelligent and physically healthy hnnnng

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 10:43:37 No.11073211 Report

Quoted By: >>11073641 >>11073755 >>11076204

>we will never go to the moon under NASA
>we will keep funding new rocket projects that get delayed/overbudgeted/exadurated/lied about
>the next administration will cancel all projects, and claim to start a new "right" project
>refunding the same conglomerates and manufacturing cartels

Defund NASA. Breakup ULA.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 12:16:42 No.11073297 Report

Quoted By: >>11073318

>>11073093
>no boobs
>>11073110
>thick waist
>>11073155
>jewish
Hard pass x3

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Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 12:20:38 No.11073300 Report

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>>11073110
I think I'm gonna---

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 12:35:23 No.11073318 Report

Quoted By: >>11073550

>>11073297

>>11073093
nice slime shape feels good to embrace run your hand softly trough her hair as you impregnate her
>>11073110
more comfort room for babies cute as fuck when walking
>>11073155
nice thick body and nice thick cute face that smiles when you tell her "im gonna make you pregnatn youre gonna be a mommy

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 12:44:58 No.11073336 Report

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Everyday astronaut's Aerospike voice is finally out

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Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 12:49:17 No.11073346 Report

Quoted By: >>11073353 >>11073401

what happened to all those planned falcon heavy launches with classified payloads anyway?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 12:55:13 No.11073353 Report

Quoted By: >>11073360 >>11073364 >>11073401

>>11073346
Nobody actually needs a rocket that big.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 12:58:40 No.11073360 Report

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>>11073353
So they'd be demoted to regular falcon 9 launches?

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Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 13:00:25 No.11073364 Report

Quoted By: >>11073377 >>11073551

>>11073353
This. Instead of developing big rockets to shuttle large amounts of cargo to and from spacr as efficiently as possible, we should put more money in them programs. We need programs for underprivileged kids and shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 13:06:27 No.11073377 Report

Quoted By: >>11073385

>>11073364
If you want aid for the poor, you demonstrate/go on general strike until the budget is allocated for it.

Military and science always get their budgets approved first because the people in power understand that their power existentially depends on these fields.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 13:09:36 No.11073385 Report

Quoted By: >>11073400

>>11073377
>their power existentially depends on these fields
Their power depends on paying blacks and commies to vote for them, and not to riot. Defense against an external threat doesn't even come close

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 13:14:39 No.11073400 Report

Quoted By: >>11073534

>>11073385
>sourceless graph, straight outta mspaint

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 13:14:40 No.11073401 Report

Quoted By: >>11073408

>>11073346
>>11073353

There’s two classified payloads currently scheduled for Falcon Heavy, one for launch in 2020 and one in 2021. Neither are likely very big or expensive, considering they would launch on a Delta 4 Heavy or Atlas 551 if they were.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 13:22:23 No.11073408 Report

Quoted By: >>11073420 >>11073475

>>11073401
Delta 4 Heavy barely competes with the payload capacity of Falcon Heavy in fully reusable configuration, and costs three times the price, while Atlas 551 has straight up 10 tons less capacity to LEO and is still slightly more expensive

I just don't get why anyone would even use these outdated launchers

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 13:30:12 No.11073420 Report

Quoted By: >>11073475

>>11073408
>I just don't get why anyone would even use these outdated launchers
Because of (perceived) reliably. Remember that ULA is often depicted as being more "trustworthy" and more "reliable" than SpaceX. Especially with their history with the US government.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 14:09:30 No.11073475 Report

Quoted By: >>11073555 >>11073923

>>11073408
>>11073420
Because these special government payloads are expensive to the point that the launch cost is only a fraction of the mission’s overall price. Therefore, the Airforce value things like a 100% reliability, Centaur’s impressive performance to high energy orbits, vertical integration (Class C payloads require this so SpaceX can’t launch them) and other classified services ULA provides for military payloads, more than just minimal cost savings from switching to a cheaper provider.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 14:54:19 No.11073534 Report

Quoted By: >>11073692

>>11073400
>I don't like those facts, they aren't pretty enough
Let's see your "alternative facts" then, Kellyanne

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 15:03:02 No.11073550 Report

Quoted By: >>11073631 >>11076529

>>11073300
>>11073318
Should I post the latex spacesuits?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 15:04:30 No.11073551 Report

Quoted By: >>11073699

>>11073364
>hungry
Why she fat?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 15:06:45 No.11073555 Report

Quoted By: >>11073569 >>11073589

>>11073475
>the airforce prefers 100% reliability
Then why did their meme shuttle keep blowing up lol?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 15:13:43 No.11073569 Report

Quoted By: >>11073593

>>11073555
The air force canceled all plans to use shuttle after Challenger exploded. They care more about the perception of reliability than the actuality.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 15:22:07 No.11073589 Report

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>>11073555
>Then why did their meme shuttle keep blowing up lol?
The Shuttle wasn't a USAF launcher. They were talked into using it by NASA. Once the Challenger incident happened, the USAF revived some of the expendable launchers that the Shuttle was supposed to replace.

Also, the Shuttle only exploded twice.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 15:22:38 No.11073593 Report

Quoted By: >>11073657

>>11073569
>They care more about the perception of reliability than the actuality.

I mean the Atlas 5 has a 100% reliability record and the Delta 4 Heavy only partially failed once in it’s test flight.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 15:41:53 No.11073631 Report

Quoted By: >>11076529

>>11073550
(x) yes
() yes

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Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 15:47:46 No.11073638 Report

Quoted By: >>11073658 >>11073663 >>11073672 >>11073846

>>11073093

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Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 15:49:00 No.11073641 Report

Quoted By:

>>11073211
>Defund NASA
NO. Defund SLS. Increase NASA fund into other technologies research.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 16:00:58 No.11073657 Report

Quoted By: >>11073670

>>11073593
Atlas V came withing what, like 2 seconds of failure not that long ago? The first stage cut off early by a few seconds and the second stage had to burn for like two minutes extra in order to make up the difference, and it just barely had enough propellant to do so. 2 seconds earlier on that 1st stage shutdown and that payload would've ended up in the ocean somewhere. Still not a failure obviously, but definitely qualifies as an 'event'.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 16:02:03 No.11073658 Report

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>>11073638
star-hip

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 16:06:07 No.11073663 Report

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>>11073638
also
>SLS
>can only build two per year without expensive new facilities
>SS
>will probably be building at least one per week

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 16:10:16 No.11073670 Report

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>>11073657
True, but SpaceX had some more spectacular failures than what the ULA did*. Add in the failed attempts of propulsive landing and one could easily twist the facts to make it seem like ULA is the golden child of reliability and SpaceX is that cheap unreliable provider who can only be trusted with unimportant stuff. Even if it's not the case.

*The Atlas is a very old rocket that has been flying before ULA existed, so all of the early flight hiccups were already done by the time Atlax V was flying and when ULA was formed. Meanwhile SpaceX had to develop their medium lifter from scratch and thus had to go through the early hiccups.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 16:10:34 No.11073672 Report

Quoted By: >>11073697 >>11073700 >>11073805 >>11075719

>>11073638
Oh no. Rocket 1 costs more than Rocket 2. Who gives a fuck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 16:21:03 No.11073692 Report

Quoted By: >>11073742

>>11073534
>i still have no source but will some how try to flip this

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 16:21:56 No.11073695 Report

Quoted By: >>11073715 >>11073723 >>11073769

Falcon 9 technology was in all aspects already figured out. Except for landing the boosters. Which took spacex five (5) years to figure out. On the other hand basically every element of Starship is untested and unproven. Weird how so many people expect it to be finished within a year given that SpaceX suffers delays on everything just like everyone else. The big shiny mock up rocket did its job evidently.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 16:22:14 No.11073697 Report

Quoted By: >>11073709 >>11073731

>>11073672
2 is also closer to actually flying and will have vastly superior payload capacity

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 16:23:05 No.11073699 Report

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>>11073551
Hungry all the time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 16:23:16 No.11073700 Report

Quoted By: >>11073709

>>11073672
Anybody who wants to put something in space, taxpayers who's money is being spent on Rocket 1.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 16:26:01 No.11073709 Report

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>>11073697
>>11073700
Do not respond to low effort shillposters

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 16:27:51 No.11073715 Report

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>>11073695
bruh it's Falcon 9 + Shuttle it's not complicated

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 16:31:18 No.11073723 Report

Quoted By: >>11073741

>>11073695
I think most people (apart from some hardcore SpaceX fans) expect delays as Starship gets developed, but most people are very confident that SpaceX can get through the development hurdles and get the rocket functional. SpaceX has shown to be very capable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 16:33:12 No.11073731 Report

Quoted By: >>11073736 >>11073739 >>11073860

>>11073697
>complete srbs
>complete spacecraft
>complete SM
>complete core stage
>complete ICPS
>complete interstage
>engines being attached right now
versus
>a steel cylinder
I'm going to go with the actual built rocket in this race. Also I would like to live your universe where a proposed 100 tonnes (subject to change and viability) is "vastly superior" to 95 tonnes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 16:35:28 No.11073736 Report

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>>11073731
100 tons to LEO, 100 tons to the Moon's surface.
vs
95 tons to LEO, 5 tons to the Moon's surface.

muh refueling meme actually works.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 16:37:25 No.11073739 Report

Quoted By: >>11073914

>>11073731
One of them will be flying in space 2020 and doing missions. Other won't fly until mid 2021-2022.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 16:37:54 No.11073741 Report

Quoted By: >>11073754

>>11073723
I don't disagree. I respect the ambition. However what the fanboys think will happen in 2020 and 2021 will really be happening around 2024. Nothing wrong with that. That's pretty fast. It's just like, I would have thought by now that people would listen to Elon say orbital test in 6 months and smile, the mentally add another 12 months to that number rather than actually believe it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 16:38:41 No.11073742 Report

Quoted By:

>>11073692
>t. still hasn't refuted the data but insists the onus is on everyone else anyway

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 16:46:44 No.11073754 Report

Quoted By: >>11073771 >>11073776

>>11073741
SpaceX isn't going to sit on Starship for 5 years. If you're intending to cite FH, do so with reason. FH was only delayed because F9 was being developed and its capabilities were getting too close to FH range, so they delayed it intentionally until they could work out an approximate final design, the block 4. Falcon Heavy flew within 5 months after block 4 was finalized and with reused boosters to add.

SpaceX sitting on 5 years of development with other rocket will kill them. Not just from competition but from inability to launch their 40000 starlink satellites and all their business proposals.

What you're suggesting isn't delays, you're claiming "SpaceX will die in 5 years." That is bullshit as any other.

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Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 16:46:46 No.11073755 Report

Quoted By: >>11073829 >>11075182

>>11073211
Ares V and SLS are very different. This guy's an idiot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 16:52:04 No.11073769 Report

Quoted By: >>11073782 >>11073829 >>11073845 >>11073905 >>11074368

>>11073695
>dragon 2 took 8 years to develop
>Elon: LIFE SUPPORT FOR STARSHIP WILL BE THE EASIEST PART. PEOPLE WILL FLY NEXT YEAR
Friendly reminder that people actually believe this garbage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 16:52:12 No.11073771 Report

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>>11073754
>SpaceX will die in 5 years
Not just that, "Elon skeptics" camp delude themselves into thinking SpaceX will commit suicide by not doing anything for the next 5 years. That's their delusion taking over and forming a reality around it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 16:56:18 No.11073776 Report

Quoted By: >>11073778

>>11073754
>What you're suggesting isn't delays, you're claiming "SpaceX will die in 5 years."
He never said that though?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 16:57:02 No.11073778 Report

Quoted By: >>11073781

>>11073776
Do you lack reading comprehension?

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Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 16:58:58 No.11073781 Report

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>>11073778
I just woke up, okay?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 16:59:23 No.11073782 Report

Quoted By: >>11073788 >>11073790 >>11073799

>>11073769
How can Dragon 2 have taken 8 years to develop if the program wasn't even funded until 4 years ago?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 17:02:13 No.11073788 Report

Quoted By: >>11073807

>>11073782
>the program wasn't even funded until 4 years ago?
Source?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 17:02:31 No.11073789 Report

Quoted By: >>11073806 >>11073849 >>11073965

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5GI6-IBDFM

Who is in the wrong here?

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Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 17:03:14 No.11073790 Report

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>>11073782
>How can Dragon 2 have taken 8 years to develop if the program wasn't even funded until 4 years ago?

>This happened in 2015

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 17:06:22 No.11073799 Report

Quoted By: >>11073807

>>11073782
Do you mean that it wasn't fully funded until 2015?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 17:09:36 No.11073805 Report

Quoted By:

>>11073672
The people paying, you complete drooling retard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 17:09:38 No.11073806 Report

Quoted By: >>11073838 >>11073852 >>11073867

>>11073789
Eminent domain is only morally acceptable when it's done by an agency acting as an arbiter for public interest, and even then it's highly questionable.

The whole thing is entirely unethical on spacex's part.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 17:11:00 No.11073807 Report

Quoted By: >>11073814

>>11073799
>>11073788
No, it wasn't selected until late 2014. Before that was just preliminary designs between various companies. It was only in 2014 when NASA was serious. And the funding is never fully given, its only given partially funded.

>https://govtribe.com/award/federal-idv-award/indefinite-delivery-contract-nnk14ma74c

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 17:14:48 No.11073814 Report

Quoted By: >>11073833

>>11073807
>it wasn't selected until late 2014
There were multiple phases involving nearly a billion in funds for spacex before the final down select to two providers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 17:22:23 No.11073829 Report

Quoted By:

>>11073755
Come on man, it's really hard to divorce Ares V from SLS when Ares V was evolving through the design process to resemble what eventually became SLS. At the very least it's a spiritual successor to Ares V that inherited all the design baggage of the Shuttle program.
>>11073769
Nuclear submarine life support system with exactly one change, instead of doing electrolysis of water to generate oxygen you use electrolysis of carbon dioxide. Submarines have unlimited water to use obviously, but Starship wont, and it'd be more effective to recover respirated oxygen from both the water and the CO2 waste products. Otherwise a life support system is effectively a very reliable dehumidifier, with an air filter and some other doodads. The hard part about designing life support for a small capsule is that you don't have the mass or volume budget for high levels of redundancy, instead you need ultra-reliable systems, and you can't accept any down time, unlike on Starship where it'd take days of no life support system activity to build up enough CO2 and water vapor in the air to start being a problem. Starship would even have the mass budget to allow for emergency open-cycle life support, in which they simply went some of the oxygen from the tanks directly into the habitat atmosphere, while capturing and dumping CO2 and water elsewhere, no fancy and delicate electrolysis machines required.

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Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 17:23:01 No.11073833 Report

Quoted By: >>11073840

>>11073814
>billion
Wrong. You can't give SpaceX billions when the yearly budget is only around $500 million. The max SpaceX.

>https://www.planetary.org/blogs/casey-dreier/images/commercial-crew-funding.html

If you're talking about the total given so far, then that's still roughly a 1 billion. That's over the course of 8 years of pre-selection designs and slow funding throughout the years. They were never funded 100%, most of the early years were around 30-50% yearly funding.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 17:24:29 No.11073838 Report

Quoted By: >>11076293

>>11073806
I wouldn't care if SpaceX were stacking up dried corpses of 3rd world children and burning them in furnaces to generate heat for their factory floors in winter, getting humanity onto multiple other objects in space besides Earth is too important to worry about schmethics.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 17:24:36 No.11073840 Report

Quoted By:

>>11073833
>The max SpaceX.
The max SpaceX got was $460 million for the initial development of the vehicle itself. The rest is mainly testing stuff and delays due to various reviews necessary after each step.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 17:25:50 No.11073845 Report

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>>11073769
Nobody sane believes that people will be flying on Starship next year. I fully believe that Starship will be flying next year. It might even go to the moon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 17:25:57 No.11073846 Report

Quoted By:

>>11073638
>not calling it Starship Launch System (SLS)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 17:27:07 No.11073849 Report

Quoted By: >>11073965

>>11073789
The company that SpaceX contracted to write up the buyout proposals. Bunch of lowballing fuckheads.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 17:28:23 No.11073852 Report

Quoted By: >>11073862 >>11073870

>>11073806
>unethical
They are making generous offers with 3X assessed real estate prices. They're even saying bring your own agent to assess it. If some of the residents feel the need to milk SpaceX for their fairly generous offer of 3X market value, then its a moral duty of SpaceX as a company to pursue legal options. They can't just let some residents milk them millions for properties that have no real value. Hopefully that won't come to be and the residents could be persuaded, but if push comes to shove, SpaceX should not be giving into money grubs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 17:29:46 No.11073860 Report

Quoted By:

>>11073731
>Also I would like to live your universe where a proposed 100 tonnes (subject to change and viability) is "vastly superior" to 95 tonnes.

You forgot to account for launch rate differences. SLS is a ~100 ton of payload to orbit per year class of launch vehicle, at best. Single Starship is designed to achieve 1000-10,000 tons per year.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 17:29:46 No.11073862 Report

Quoted By: >>11073868

>>11073852
The offers that were made sucked dick, but it'll probably all work out peacefully soon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 17:32:54 No.11073867 Report

Quoted By: >>11073871

>>11073806
>Eminent domain is only morally acceptable when it's done by an agency acting as an arbiter for public interest

Advancing rocketry is very much in public interest.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 17:33:03 No.11073868 Report

Quoted By: >>11073885 >>11074002

>>11073862
>The offers that were made sucked dick
When compared to billion dollars. Yes, but these houses are not worth millions nor are they worth billions. They're at best worth few dozen thousands to hundred thousand. If they feel cheated, they are told to bring their own assessor.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 17:33:17 No.11073870 Report

Quoted By: >>11073912

>>11073852
>They are making generous offers with 3X assessed real estate prices.
Who cares? They aren't trying to sell their houses.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 17:34:20 No.11073871 Report

Quoted By: >>11073882

>>11073867
>Advancing rocketry is very much in public interest.
They already have a $2 billion launch pad in Florida that was given to them for free. They don't need another.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 17:36:25 No.11073882 Report

Quoted By: >>11073889

>>11073871
They do need another. Also, it is in the interest of the state of Texas to have the most advanced spaceport on the world located within their borders.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 17:36:54 No.11073885 Report

Quoted By: >>11073912

>>11073868
>missing the point this completely

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 17:37:58 No.11073889 Report

Quoted By: >>11073906 >>11073921

>>11073882
>They do need another.
Source?
>it is in the interest of the state of Texas to have the most advanced spaceport on the world located within their borders.
Texas has had no part in these attempts at stealing property.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 17:43:57 No.11073905 Report

Quoted By: >>11074368

>>11073769
Just put some dragon capsule in a starship
Boom

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 17:44:05 No.11073906 Report

Quoted By: >>11073909

>>11073889
>They do need another.
>Source?
Starship isn't gonna launch from any of the legacy pads SpaceX uses, they're gonna launch it from a platform and skip using a giant ass concrete pad altogether.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 17:45:24 No.11073909 Report

Quoted By: >>11073917 >>11073929 >>11073934

>>11073906
>Starship isn't gonna launch from any of the legacy pads SpaceX uses, they're gonna launch it from a platform and skip using a giant ass concrete pad altogether.
Source?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 17:45:48 No.11073912 Report

Quoted By: >>11073928

>>11073885
>>11073870
>they aren't trying to sell the house
Not according to as the local interviews and their tones.

According to the locals, they want SpaceX to pay for "that view" of sunrise and sunset at the beach and their "dreams." And when Elon was talking with residents during the meeting after the Starship update, the residents were negotiating for MORE like Tesla cars and stuff. So its not a matter of not selling but rather "at what price." By definition, that's "milking"

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 17:46:08 No.11073914 Report

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>>11073739
>One of them will still be flying in space in 2050 and doing missions. Other will only fly until mid 2021-2022 when Starship comes online.
FTFY

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 17:46:16 No.11073917 Report

Quoted By: >>11073928

>>11073909
Elon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 17:47:28 No.11073921 Report

Quoted By: >>11073928

>>11073889
>Source?
Don't have source right now, but Elon said that due to increased bureaucracy in Florida, they want to have their own spaceport in Texas. And bureaucracy / government interference is a total cancer on spaceflight, so he is likely very correct.

>Texas has had no part in these attempts at stealing property.

Cameron county specifically takes steps to support SpaceX facilities, including granting a non-profit Cameron County Spaceport Development Corporation eminent domain rights.

https://www.businessinsider.com/spacex-boca-chica-texas-launch-site-spaceport-corporation-eminent-domain-2019-9

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 17:47:55 No.11073923 Report

Quoted By: >>11073956

>>11073475
If it's classified, how do you know the cost of the payload? There is existing information on some spy satellites, such as the Japanese ones that blew up in 2003 aboard a H2-A rocket that were only 78 million total and American Blackjack satellites that are only 6 million. Most spy satellites are actually getting cheaper as imaging technology rapidly improves. I'd wager that most launches have payloads of only a few hundred million.
>minimal cost savings from switching to a cheaper provider.
Even lawmakers don't seem to share your 'trivial amount relative to the cost of the equipment' assertion.
https://spacenews.com/us-lawmakers-decry-high-cost-launching-spy-satellites-amid-funding-woes/

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 17:49:50 No.11073928 Report

Quoted By: >>11073939 >>11073941 >>11073944 >>11074016

>>11073912
>According to the locals, they want SpaceX to pay for "that view" of sunrise and sunset at the beach and their "dreams." And when Elon was talking with residents during the meeting after the Starship update, the residents were negotiating for MORE like Tesla cars and stuff. So its not a matter of not selling but rather "at what price." By definition, that's "milking"
Source?

>>11073917
Source?

>>11073921
>Don't have source right now, but Elon said that due to increased bureaucracy in Florida,
Source?

>Texas = Cameron county
You're an idiot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 17:50:13 No.11073929 Report

Quoted By: >>11073940

>>11073909
They're going to fly one from Boca Chica. And there is no legacy platform there. For Florida, they're building an extension. https://twitter.com/julia_bergeron/status/1172896260241666054

>California
Wont be extending anytime soon due to huge increase in cost for launch and insurance.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 17:50:54 No.11073934 Report

Quoted By: >>11073939 >>11073940

>>11073909
The part that says Starship pad is what the whole stack is eventually gonna be launching from. It's apparently easier to build an elevated 'milk stool' launch platform and tie it in to some of the ground support hardware than it is to reconfigure the main pad where Falcon and FH launch from to be able to also accept Starship.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 17:51:56 No.11073939 Report

Quoted By:

>>11073928
see >>11073934

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 17:52:05 No.11073940 Report

Quoted By: >>11073960

>>11073929
>>11073934
Anything within the fence at 39A is still considered part of the pad. I'm guessing you think that the launch tower, water tower, fuel lines and tanks, and all the other infrastructure are not part of the pad?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 17:52:08 No.11073941 Report

Quoted By: >>11073952

>>11073928
>Elon/Locals talk
https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-spacex-boca-chica-village-private-meeting-buyouts-2019-10

>"that view"
https://www.kveo.com/news/update-spacex-residential-buyout/

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 17:52:19 No.11073944 Report

Quoted By:

>>11073928
>You're an idiot.
Source?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 17:55:39 No.11073952 Report

Quoted By: >>11073966

>>11073941
It's not even that special, let's be honest. There are parts of the UK with a sunset like that a couple of times a year!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 17:58:22 No.11073956 Report

Quoted By: >>11073988

>>11073923
>American Blackjack satellites that are only 6 million

That’s an experimental DARPA program which involves creating a large constellation of satellites and not comparable to current birds. Sure, their are cheaper military satellites probably in the hundreds of millions of dollar per unit e.g. NROL-76, but I’m talking Class C payloads like KH-11s and ORIONs that are valued in the billions.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 17:58:54 No.11073960 Report

Quoted By:

>>11073940
Don't be a dumbass, dude. They aren't launching it from the legacy launch pad, which is THE most expensive and time consuming part of building any launch complex by far. They could replicate their launch stool design pretty much anywhere, it only needs a crane instead of a service tower, and since all the tanks are filled via connections that run through the base of the Booster they don't even need any fueling tower rig to enable launches.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 17:59:57 No.11073965 Report

Quoted By: >>11073971

>>11073789
>Who is in the wrong here?
The homeowners, a dozen people willing to fuck the development of space flight and the countless new technologies that will be created from it just so they can have their shitty bungalow in one of the poorest areas in Texas. I recommend anyone defending the homeowners actually look at the location on Google street view. This is exactly why eminent domain exists.
>>11073849
What? They offered them three times what their properties are worth. They'll only receive a 3rd of that if they have to use eminent domain.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 18:00:01 No.11073966 Report

Quoted By:

>>11073952
>It's not even that special, let's be honest
That's the point of "that view."

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 18:02:23 No.11073969 Report

Quoted By: >>11073972 >>11073974

>NOTICE: Road/ beach closures in Boca Chica for Wed, Oct 23 - Fri, Oct 25 have been CANCELLED, according to the Cameron County website.

https://twitter.com/bluemoondance74/status/1185506046384705536

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 18:03:29 No.11073971 Report

Quoted By: >>11073977 >>11073995

>>11073965
>willing to fuck the development of space flight
Explain why spacex can't just stay in Florida.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 18:04:05 No.11073972 Report

Quoted By:

>>11073969

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 18:04:32 No.11073974 Report

Quoted By:

>>11073969
oh nononono

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 18:05:52 No.11073976 Report

Quoted By:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8SMcj-yHfI&t=2m53s

>just hammer it in, dude

So this is how you build an interplanetary spaceship.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 18:06:14 No.11073977 Report

Quoted By: >>11073984

>>11073971
Faster to test in undeveloped area than to test in a highly developed area.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 18:08:24 No.11073984 Report

Quoted By: >>11073987

>>11073977
but they are also testing in Florida

You actually think companies should be able to forcibly take people's property because it can make things more "convenient"? lmao

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 18:09:38 No.11073987 Report

Quoted By: >>11073994

>>11073984
Eminent Domain is not there for convenience. Its there for when rationality breaks and there's a need for the government to step in to ensure greater access to the public/national/security development.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 18:09:38 No.11073988 Report

Quoted By:

>>11073956
>I’m talking Class C payloads like KH-11s and ORIONs that are valued in the billions.
Those are not the majority of government launches. Orion can go up to six years before another mission. KH-11 was 43 years ago. We can split hairs all day long, but the point is, price per launch is a definite factor, even for the US military.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 18:12:11 No.11073994 Report

Quoted By: >>11073999

>>11073987
>Its there for when rationality breaks and there's a need for the government to step in to ensure greater access to the public/national/security development.
starship is not public/national/security development, and is not even owned by the government at all

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 18:12:57 No.11073995 Report

Quoted By: >>11074008

>>11073971
What are you even asserting? That rocket companies shouldn't be allowed to move outside the area of their first launch? That eminent domain shouldn't be applied so that they can build spaceports? It makes no sense that any company would limit themselves to that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 18:13:27 No.11073999 Report

Quoted By:

>>11073994
Hello rockets are national security.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 18:14:27 No.11074002 Report

Quoted By: >>11074011 >>11074012 >>11074013

>>11073868
it's not about how much they're worth, or how much they're worth to the residents, or how much the residents not being there would be worth to SpaceX (completely worthless, absolutely priceless, and many many dollars, respectively)
The important metric here is what it would cost to buy or build a replacement elsewhere. (many dollars, but not as much as it would save SpaceX not having to deal with them)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 18:15:37 No.11074008 Report

Quoted By: >>11074019 >>11074034

>>11073995
>What are you even asserting? That rocket companies shouldn't be allowed to move outside the area of their first launch?
That people who don't want to sell shouldn't be forced to sell, especially not to a private company.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 18:17:02 No.11074011 Report

Quoted By: >>11074035

>>11074002
SpaceX should work with them to buy beachfront properties for them elsewhere while in full cooperation with the residents. But of course, they'll never do that because it's not as easy as throwing money at the problem.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 18:17:09 No.11074012 Report

Quoted By: >>11074023 >>11074035

>>11074002
>The important metric here is what it would cost to buy or build a replacement elsewhere.
SpaceX showed them houses in comparative areas as part as their offer. They're not actually on a beach, they live in a shitty community with houses that look like garbage and people that look worse.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 18:17:09 No.11074013 Report

Quoted By: >>11074023 >>11074035

>>11074002
Brownsville is one of the poor area in Texas. There are plenty of 3-4 bedroom houses for around $150K. There's plenty more under $100K. What the residents "lose" in vague values like "watching sunset", they gain in access to local hospitals/supermarkets/jobs/etc within walking distance.

>https://www.zillow.com/brownsville-tx/

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 18:18:03 No.11074016 Report

Quoted By: >>11074023

>>11073928
Nomadd is a poster on NSF, and he is a local in Boca Chica
he is quite gossipy about his neighbors

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 18:18:38 No.11074019 Report

Quoted By: >>11074027

>>11074008
>That people who don't want to sell shouldn't be forced to sell, especially not to a private company.

So you are against the concept of an eminent domain as a whole? This is stupid ancap ideology speaking, not reason.

Private company serving public interest is just as valid benefactor of an eminent domain as public company.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 18:19:14 No.11074023 Report

Quoted By: >>11074028 >>11074035

>>11074012
>SpaceX showed them houses in comparative areas as part as their offer
Source?

>>11074016
Source?

>>11074013
>What the residents "lose" in vague values like "watching sunset", they gain in access to local hospitals/supermarkets/jobs/etc within walking distance.
Maybe the residents don't give a shit about those things.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 18:20:38 No.11074027 Report

Quoted By: >>11074030 >>11074032 >>11074037

>>11074019
>So you are against the concept of an eminent domain as a whole?
Why do you keep inventing strawman arguments?

>Private company serving public interest is just as valid benefactor of an eminent domain as public company.
That's a subjective opinion and also incorrect.
spacex already has a pad in Florida.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 18:20:56 No.11074028 Report

Quoted By: >>11074050

>>11074023
>Maybe the residents don't give a shit about those things.
They have to, as they still need the food and hospital access to survive. The distance between the village and brownsville is 20 miles/30-40 minutes drive.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 18:22:16 No.11074030 Report

Quoted By: >>11074050

>>11074027
>spacex already has a pad in Florida.
Not sure what the argument is. Are you suggesting that SpaceX not expand/have backup access/find ways to cut down costs/etc?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 18:23:20 No.11074032 Report

Quoted By: >>11074050

>>11074027
>spacex already has a pad in Florida.

Irrelevant. Cameron country, Texas, wants them to have a pad within their county, and that is what matters.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 18:24:36 No.11074034 Report

Quoted By: >>11074091 >>11074132

>>11074008
You drive on a highway lately? You know how many projects only happen because of eminent domain? They're not being forced to sell by a private company, but a government run development association. No one in the state of Texas is going to risk losing a billion dollar spaceport and thousands of high paying jobs over a handful of white trash holdouts who mostly just like the attention they're getting or got too greedy while negotiating.

As far as eminent domain goes, you cannot find a better example of appropriate use than this case. A handful of residents versus something that will literally have an effect on every single American, if cheap space flight comes of age and advances technology. Even Starlink is a huge game changer for those living in rural areas, like where the Texas launch site is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 18:25:18 No.11074035 Report

Quoted By: >>11074050

>>11074013
>>11074012
>>11074011
they really should take a look at Beaufort, South Carolina. Similar dirt poor living arrangements on the coast.
>>11074023
can't you fucking read? NSF. You should know what that stands for.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 18:25:24 No.11074037 Report

Quoted By: >>11074050

>>11074027
>That's a subjective opinion and also incorrect.

It is demonstrablly correct, as determined by Cameron county judge when they granted eminent domain rights to a Spaceport Corporation non-profit, exactly for a situation like this.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 18:30:14 No.11074049 Report

Quoted By:

Wow, Boca Chica Village is thriving! Look at this great corner lot, surely this is community any rational person would want to stay in so they can live in complete poverty right next to their crazy neighbors, while in the middle of nowhere so it defeats the purpose of rural living.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 18:30:16 No.11074050 Report

Quoted By: >>11074065 >>11074067 >>11074085

>>11074028
>They have to, as they still need the food and hospital access to survive. The distance between the village and brownsville is 20 miles/30-40 minutes drive.
If it's "too far away to survive" then why did they move there in the first place? Idiot.

>>11074030
>Are you suggesting that SpaceX not expand/have backup access/find ways to cut down costs/etc?
I'm suggesting that they shouldn't have bought land next to a town, and then complained that a town is there. Retard.

>>11074032
Then why is spacex conducting the negotiations?

>>11074035
>they really should take a look at Beaufort, South Carolina. Similar dirt poor living arrangements on the coast.
Oh nice, petty classism. How cute.
>can't you fucking read? NSF. You should know what that stands for.
National Science Foundation?

>>11074037
Then why is spacex conducting the negotiations?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 18:31:18 No.11074056 Report

Quoted By: >>11074073

What do you mean Spacex won't give me two million dollars for my house? I live near a beach.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 18:31:18 No.11074057 Report

Quoted By:

>>11073093
Not science or math.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 18:33:02 No.11074065 Report

Quoted By:

>>11074050
>petty clsasism
it's underdeveloped land on the coast, which is what they're looking for
Driving down highway 170 around lemon island there's a bunch of property

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 18:33:39 No.11074067 Report

Quoted By:

>>11074050
>I'm suggesting that they shouldn't have bought land next to a town, and then complained that a town is there. Retard.
They're not complaining, they're acting with regards to their interest. Complaining does nothing. Acting does.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 18:36:09 No.11074073 Report

Quoted By: >>11074090

>>11074056
seething redditard

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 18:39:16 No.11074085 Report

Quoted By:

>>11074050
>why is SpaceX conducting negotiations
Because eminent domain is a last resort and usually requires you try negotiations first?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 18:41:51 No.11074090 Report

Quoted By: >>11074104

>>11074073
I'm not seething at all, I think the situation is funny and it's really strange how people justify the way they live when they should be jumping at the SpaceX offer that would get them away from this shithole.

Nearly every house has boarded up or gated windows. Two houses have full chainlink fences surrounding them with barbed wire on top. Half of the houses look abandoned or minimal maintained.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 18:42:03 No.11074091 Report

Quoted By: >>11074111 >>11074128 >>11075498

>>11074034
>You drive on a highway lately? You know how many projects only happen because of eminent domain?
You do know 99% of highway projects happen without condemnation, right? You do know that highway projects almost never take someone's entire property, right? (and these day's it's pretty much against federal law to do so) You do know that even when these projects take people's property, they still go out of their way to insure they don't take people's houses, right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 18:47:46 No.11074104 Report

Quoted By: >>11074118

>>11074090
>they should be jumping at the SpaceX offer that would get them away from this shithole
3x market value for their shitholes is not enough for them to leave, it would just leave them with no house and a pitiful amount of money

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 18:49:03 No.11074111 Report

Quoted By: >>11074134

>>11074091
Eminent domain is used constantly and you cannot hide this fact. Even in Texas, a football stadium just got built displacing hundreds of people. Let's face it, you don't give a fuck about eminent domain laws, you're only upset about it because SpaceX may use it.
>and these day's it's pretty much against federal law to do so
Complete bullshit. The supreme court affirmed that property can go to private companies. See Kelo V the City of New London. "Court held that the general benefits a community enjoyed from economic growth qualified private redevelopment plans as a permissible "public use" under the Takings Clause of the Fifth Amendment."

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 18:51:48 No.11074118 Report

Quoted By: >>11074125

>>11074104
That isn't true, there's cheap property all over Texas, even near the ocean. If you think SpaceX would try to fuck the property owners in order to save a few million when it's going to cost them way more than that if the spaceport gets delayed, I don't know what to tell you. Even some of the residents already stated that the offer was fair and took it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 18:53:07 No.11074125 Report

Quoted By: >>11074201

>>11074118
I don't think SpaceX are trying to fuck property owners, I think they contracted it out to a local real estate firm or something and THEY tried to shaft the local property owners.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 18:53:36 No.11074128 Report

Quoted By: >>11074135 >>11074151 >>11075426

>>11074091
just move the houses lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 18:53:38 No.11074129 Report

Quoted By:

I bet SpaceX will increase the offer to 5x the value as determined by an independent evaluator, then throw a free Tesla car on top of that. Most residents will cave in at that point. Few remainers will get eminent domain'd.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 18:54:10 No.11074132 Report

Quoted By: >>11074171

>>11074034
>You drive on a highway lately? You know how many projects only happen because of eminent domain?
The DOT used eminent domain in my area to get the land necessary to build a highway over a decade ago and there's still people salty about it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 18:54:51 No.11074134 Report

Quoted By: >>11074147 >>11074171

>>11074111
>Even in Texas, a football stadium just got built displacing hundreds of people.
Why do you assume I'm ok with that?

>you don't give a fuck about eminent domain laws, you're only upset about it because SpaceX may use it.
You're a seething retard. You don't know anything about me.

>Complete bullshit. The supreme court affirmed that property can go to private companies.
Another strawman argument. When did I say that it couldn't go to private companies? My point is spacex already has a launch pad elsewhere and they should use it.

If I were one of these property owners I'd sell, and then inverse condemnation on spacex's asses after they built all their launchpads offshore anyways and win millions of dollars.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 18:54:57 No.11074135 Report

Quoted By: >>11074141 >>11075426 >>11077805

>>11074128
seriously

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 18:56:00 No.11074141 Report

Quoted By: >>11074145 >>11077805

>>11074135
>lvl 100 trailer park

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 18:56:58 No.11074145 Report

Quoted By: >>11075426

>>11074141
this is actually relatively common in north america

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 18:57:34 No.11074147 Report

Quoted By: >>11074165

>>11074134
You ain't getting millions of dollars for a mere house in the middle of nowhere, even if you win inverse condemnation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 18:58:26 No.11074151 Report

Quoted By: >>11074154

>>11074128
spacex won't do that because they're going for the cheapest method possible (push insufferable demands until the property owners refuse to sell, and then use the courts which are already in their pocket to force them to sell at less than appraised value)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 18:59:18 No.11074154 Report

Quoted By: >>11074158

>>11074151
Seems like a PR hit would be worse than just paying out a few $ million.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 19:00:52 No.11074158 Report

Quoted By: >>11074167 >>11074169 >>11074180

>>11074154
spacex could crash a rocket on a daycare center and kill 200 kids and nobody would give a shit at this point
there's too many redditor incels shitposting about elon everywhere on the internet 24/7 to change people's minds now

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 19:02:46 No.11074165 Report

Quoted By: >>11074187

>>11074147
it wouldn't be just for the house, it would be for potential property value lost and damages for having rights violated

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 19:03:19 No.11074167 Report

Quoted By:

>>11074158
>there's too many redditor incels shitposting about elon everywhere on the internet 24/7 to change people's minds now
No, there isn't. Calm down.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 19:04:32 No.11074169 Report

Quoted By:

>>11074158
>there's too many redditor incels shitposting about elon everywhere on the internet 24/7 to change people's minds now
Maybe someone else should do something worth shitposting about

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 19:04:45 No.11074171 Report

Quoted By: >>11074177 >>11074215

>>11074132
Sure, some people will fight tooth and nail just to save their shitty $30,000 house that is falling apart, but that isn't a reasonable reaction and I think it's wrong to fuck millions of people who stand to gain from American space flight just to appease a few people. There are no kids in Boca Chica Village, so it's not like there's generational housing. You can go north to Port Isabel, Texas and find equally shitty and cheap housing that is also next to the ocean.
>>11074134
>Why do you assume I'm ok with that?
So you openly spoke out against it like you do with every single eminent domain project and spent hours of your life defending the residents there? No? That's because it has nothing to do with eminent domain and you're upset about SpaceX.
>You're a seething retard. You don't know anything about me.
Projection. I looks like a hit a nerve. You should calm down.
>When did I say that it couldn't go to private companies?
You stated it was "pretty much against federal law" to take someone's entire property, it isn't. You were completely wrong about it.
>I'd sell, and then inverse condemnation on spacex's asses after they built all their launchpads offshore anyways and win millions of dollars.
This is why you're not a lawyer and just some idiot on the Internet pretending he has any knowledge on a subject you don't.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 19:07:00 No.11074177 Report

Quoted By: >>11074187 >>11074190 >>11074197

>>11074171
>to fuck millions of people who stand to gain from American space flight
How would it "fuck millions of people" if spacex just used their florida pad that was given to them by the public for free like they should have done in the first place?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 19:08:02 No.11074180 Report

Quoted By:

>>11074158
redditor incel leftists are the single largest group of anti-musk people in general

you have to go back

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 19:09:30 No.11074187 Report

Quoted By:

>>11074165
>potential property value lost and damages for having rights violated
Would you stop fucking pretending to be a lawyer? This is ridiculous, no rights are violated through eminent domain. You get fair market value for your property, that's it.
>>11074177
One pad isn't going to be enough for a multi-billion dollar company that is a leader in rockery. It's like saying 'why does the NFL need another stadium when they already have one?'

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 19:10:41 No.11074190 Report

Quoted By: >>11074253

>>11074177
>How would it "fuck millions of people" if spacex just used their florida pad that was given to them by the public for free like they should have done in the first place?

Like this:

>"He talked about the regulations in Florida and why it was better for them to be here rather than in Florida because things could get done a bit faster," Ray Pointer said.

https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-spacex-boca-chica-village-private-meeting-buyouts-2019-10

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 19:12:02 No.11074197 Report

Quoted By: >>11074205

>>11074177
>How would it "fuck millions of people" if spacex just used their florida pad

It would fuck people in Texas and in Cameron country in particular quite thoroughly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 19:14:32 No.11074201 Report

Quoted By: >>11074209

>>11074125
They're real estate agents, both sides will try to fuck each other. Let's look at the other part of this, they're trying to fix up abandon homes so they can get more money for them. The end result is still that residents are getting way more than the houses are worth.

>"New appraisals were set to begin Oct. 7, with a new buyout offer deadline of Oct. 17. Terry Heaton said earlier this month that he’d been busy sprucing up properties at the request of some of the village’s out-of-town owners.
>“Some of them hadn’t been in their houses for quite a while,” he said."

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 19:15:28 No.11074205 Report

Quoted By: >>11074214 >>11074219 >>11074453

>>11074197
>It would fuck people in Texas and in Cameron country in particular quite thoroughly.
Who cares?
I don't live in Texas or Florida so my concern is the federal government spending public resources on spacex, and spacex squandering those resources (resources which I partially paid for through taxes)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 19:17:26 No.11074209 Report

Quoted By:

>>11074201
yeah, the vast majority of these properties are abandoned or just owned by people who've forgotten about them

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 19:18:54 No.11074214 Report

Quoted By: >>11074218

>>11074205
>my concern is the federal government spending public resources on spacex, and spacex squandering those resources
Such as?...

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 19:19:50 No.11074215 Report

Quoted By: >>11074231

>>11074171
>So you openly spoke out against it like you do with every single eminent domain project and spent hours of your life defending the residents there? No? That's because it has nothing to do with eminent domain and you're upset about SpaceX.
Maybe I care here because I've been following spaceflight since before you were sucking your mothers tit?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 19:20:52 No.11074218 Report

Quoted By: >>11074225

>>11074214
pad 39A

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 19:21:17 No.11074219 Report

Quoted By: >>11074223 >>11074334

>>11074205
>Who cares?
Cameron county judge, apparently.

>my concern is the federal government spending public resources on spacex

So it is about SpaceX after all. Rest assured that taxpayer money spent on SpaceX is among the best taxpayer money ever spent.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 19:22:25 No.11074222 Report

Quoted By: >>11076119 >>11076142

You wouldn’t fuck this cat girl would you?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 19:22:27 No.11074223 Report

Quoted By:

>>11074219
>Rest assured that taxpayer money spent on SpaceX is among the best taxpayer money ever spent.
Sure. $3 billion spent on "crew dragon" and it'll barely be used 2 or 3 times before spacex intends to replace it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 19:22:55 No.11074225 Report

Quoted By: >>11074241

>>11074218
But they're not squandering it?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 19:24:44 No.11074231 Report

Quoted By: >>11074234 >>11074263

https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/20-Augusta-Dr_Laguna-Vista_TX_78578_M76958-91101?view=qv

This house is under $200,000, close to the ocean, close to Boca Chica Village and in a much nicer area. Boca Chica Village are likely getting more than 200k for their houses. It costs SpaceX basically nothing to throw a few million at the 7 or so remaining residents.
>>11074215
That doesn't answer my question. Why specifically do you have a problem with this potential use of eminent domain when you clearly don't care about other uses and have no understanding how it even works?
>I've been following spaceflight since before you were sucking your mothers tit?
Oh, so you're some old space retarded boomer that hates SpaceX, that's exactly what I figured. I never accused you of being consistent.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 19:26:25 No.11074234 Report

Quoted By: >>11074246

>>11074231
>and have no understanding how it even works?
Explain.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 19:28:14 No.11074240 Report

Quoted By: >>11074245 >>11074247

What is the point in manned spaceflight? There is nowhere habitable out there to go and all science can be done in space by robots.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 19:28:38 No.11074241 Report

Quoted By: >>11074251

>>11074225
>"rent" 39A for free
>forbid others from using it
>quickly stop using it and instead build a pad next to it instead, but don't use that either and just move everything to texas

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 19:29:44 No.11074245 Report

Quoted By:

>>11074240
Robots are slow, don't respond well to unusual problems, and perpetrate anemic launchers which reduces the amount of space industry that can be done.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 19:29:49 No.11074246 Report

Quoted By: >>11074264

>>11074234
>Explain.
You have no understanding of how eminent domain works and erroneously said that giving whole properties to private companies is against federal law when it's not, on top of other stupid claims.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 19:29:56 No.11074247 Report

Quoted By: >>11074270

>>11074240
Science is not the only or even the most important goa of spaceflight. Space colonization is.
>There is nowhere habitable
We will make it habitable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 19:31:39 No.11074251 Report

Quoted By: >>11074266 >>11074341

>>11074241
>>"rent" 39A for free
I thought they had to pay for it?

>>forbid others from using it
Well, yeah. It's their pad.

>>quickly stop using it and instead build a pad next to it instead, but don't use that either and just move everything to texas
They're still using it to launch Falcons.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 19:31:43 No.11074253 Report

Quoted By: >>11074265 >>11074274 >>11074276

>>11074190
>forcing people to sell their property so "things could get done a bit faster" at your private enterprise
lmao imagine actually defending this shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 19:34:16 No.11074263 Report

Quoted By: >>11074309

>>11074231
TIL: Texas looks identical to the West Indies. Houses here are not that expensive though lol.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 19:34:28 No.11074264 Report

Quoted By: >>11074272

>>11074246
>and erroneously said that giving whole properties to private companies is against federal law when it's not
I literally did not say that, idiot. I said that, in regards to highway projects, it's illegal to take land without independent assessments determining that it won't severely affect the people it is taken from. I didn't say anything about private companies doing it or about it being illegal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 19:35:06 No.11074265 Report

Quoted By: >>11074275 >>11074276

>>11074253
Imagine pretending you're some great defender against eminent domain so you can use it an excuse to shit on SpaceX

>Oy vey, 7 residents are forced to get at least three times the value of their abandoned houses. It's like another holocaust.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 19:35:57 No.11074266 Report

Quoted By: >>11074280

>>11074251
>I thought they had to pay for it?
They didn't not, other than a few hundred thousand to renovate it for their "needs"

>Well, yeah. It's their pad.
No, it's NASA's pad that they are leasing. Idiot.

>They're still using it to launch Falcons.
How often will falcon launch from there 5 years from now? When the lease is only half up?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 19:36:33 No.11074270 Report

Quoted By: >>11074286

>>11074247
Space colonization is for rich people, I don't support it anymore. I'm all for sending a couple guys to set up a research base on Mars but funding a casino city for billionaires do I look like a cuck to you?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 19:38:22 No.11074272 Report

Quoted By: >>11074282

>>11074264
You said:
>You do know that highway projects almost never take someone's entire property, right? (and these day's it's pretty much against federal law to do so)"
It had nothing to with taking land without independent assessments and the bullshit you're trying to use to back pedal. Just take the loss and stop trying to save your pride, you're only looking worse by trying to cover your ignorance.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 19:38:54 No.11074274 Report

Quoted By:

>>11074253
When the private enterprise is going to colonize Mars, yes, I will defend it, and lick those boots clean. Get bent, commie.

And you are forgetting the main reason why eminent domain can even be applied in this case - public interest of Texas and Cameron county in having the spaceport within their borders. This is something that could potentially transform the entire valley from barely relevant collection of towns into the world's leading space industry center.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 19:39:21 No.11074275 Report

Quoted By: >>11074288

>>11074265
>Why yes, I do defend thing I like and every decision they make, good or bad. How could you tell?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 19:39:52 No.11074276 Report

Quoted By: >>11074281 >>11074288 >>11074295 >>11074322

>>11074253
>>11074265
How did this even become an issue in the USA of all places? You have fuckloads of land, Why couldn't he have built this spaceport in the Nevada desert?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 19:41:06 No.11074280 Report

Quoted By:

>>11074266
>No, it's NASA's pad that they are leasing. Idiot.
Yes, but NASA gave the pad to SpaceX for them to use as they see fit. Sure, my appartment is owned by my landlord and not me, but I'm not going to let other people live in my appartment.

>How often will falcon launch from there 5 years from now? When the lease is only half up?
I don't know, they may be phased out by then, replaced by Starship. At that point the place will most likely be renovated to suit Starship.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 19:41:11 No.11074281 Report

Quoted By:

>>11074276
because they're throwing away morals in order to reach for every penny they can, and then attacking everyone else for "overcharging" for launch services

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 19:42:11 No.11074282 Report

Quoted By: >>11074292

>>11074272
Nothing about my statement is incorrect. Are you mentally ill?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 19:43:09 No.11074286 Report

Quoted By: >>11074298 >>11074316

>>11074270
>I hate space colonization

So now we finally got to the root of your issues. It was never about eminent domain, or even about SpaceX. You are just a regressive idiot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 19:43:49 No.11074288 Report

Quoted By: >>11074291 >>11074316

>>11074275
It's not clever for you to take the inverse of my argument and pretend it's original. I have no problem with eminent domain in cases of great national importance.
>>11074276
They need ocean access. Most of the US coast is developed or protected. Would you want to have test rockets flying over you?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 19:45:11 No.11074291 Report

Quoted By: >>11074306

>>11074288
>great national importance
such as?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 19:45:21 No.11074292 Report

Quoted By: >>11074298

>>11074282
Yes, it was incorrect. It's not against federal law to take someone's entire property, even in a highway project. In some cases they're forced to do just that.
>Are you mentally ill?
That's my concern for you, based on the amount of back pedaling you have done and claims that you said something completely different than what you did.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 19:45:53 No.11074295 Report

Quoted By: >>11074322 >>11074323

>>11074276
>Why couldn't he have built this spaceport in the Nevada desert?

They need to be on the east coast near the ocean and as south as possible. The reasons are obvious for anyone with any understanding of a space launch. South Florida coast and South texas coast are the only two viable places in the US.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 19:47:02 No.11074298 Report

Quoted By: >>11074312 >>11074315

>>11074286
>everyone I disagree with is actually just one person

>>11074292
>even in a highway project. In some cases they're forced to do just that
Like I said, "practically."
If they took someone's house when there was a valid alternative, they would get btfo in court, and rightfully so.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 19:49:06 No.11074306 Report

Quoted By: >>11074318

>>11074291
Such as SpaceX and the development of cheap rockets to further all of mankind and drive rapid technological advancement. It's even greater for Americans which would be leaders in the industry, one of the few areas they can compete with other countries like China on. I wish we had more companies like SpaceX.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 19:49:58 No.11074309 Report

Quoted By:

>>11074263
yeah, everything subtropical looks basically the same

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 19:50:58 No.11074312 Report

Quoted By: >>11074320

>>11074298
That isn't "practically" at all, you fucking retard. By practically illegal, you mean not illegal in the least. For the third time, stop pretending to be a lawyer, you have zero understanding of the law and are literally making shit up as you go.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 19:51:37 No.11074315 Report

Quoted By:

>>11074298
>everyone I disagree with is actually just one person

Well, there is 1-2 redditor FUDposters plaguing these threads ever since they began as SpaceX generals a year ago.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 19:51:39 No.11074316 Report

Quoted By: >>11074335 >>11075524

>>11074286
I just joined the thread, no idea about US property law because I'm not American.
You can't refute what I said about space colonization though, Starship passenger is 100% going to be like Concorde - for the rich. I'm not totally against it but I'll only support it if it's mostly designed for scientific explorations, with tourism as a side venture.
>>11074288
Oh okay fair enough.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 19:51:55 No.11074318 Report

Quoted By: >>11074322 >>11074326

>>11074306
That doesn't sound like national interest at all. In your own words you say "all of mankind," a term which includes the chinks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 19:52:57 No.11074320 Report

Quoted By: >>11074328

>>11074312
>you didn't mean this, you mean THIS!!!!1!
seething

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 19:54:39 No.11074322 Report

Quoted By:

>>11074276
>>11074295
"One reason rockets are launched in Florida has to do with the Earth's rotation. The Earth rotates most quickly at the equator, and to take advantage of this, in adding to the orbital velocity of the rocket, it is most beneficial to launch from a southerly location (near the equator). In addition, to take advantage of the direction of rotation of the planet, launching from a location on an easterly coast where there is no inhabited population where debris would land in an emergency would be ideal for both the safety of the people on the ground and for fuel efficiency of the rocket. The only locations in the United States capable of this are on the east coasts of Florida, Texas, and Puerto Rico, but given the high population densities in coastal Texas, South Florida, and Puerto Rico, the Space Coast is the best location when all factors are taken into account."
>>11074318
Luckily, no one gives a fuck what you think and nearly everyone would disagree with you, including the US government, which is why the will allow eminent domain for SpaceX.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 19:55:05 No.11074323 Report

Quoted By:

>>11074295
What about Puerto Rico?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 19:56:12 No.11074326 Report

Quoted By:

>>11074318
having America be the one doing it for all mankind is very important anon, because the Chinese won't pretend they're doing it for anybody but themselves

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 19:56:30 No.11074328 Report

Quoted By: >>11074333

>>11074320
You meant exactly what you typed, which is factually incorrect and even more incorrect in your attempts to defend it.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 19:58:18 No.11074331 Report

Quoted By: >>11074344

Ever notice how the autistic screechers who hate SpaceX never actually talk about rockets?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 19:59:46 No.11074333 Report

Quoted By: >>11074338

>>11074328
>which is factually incorrect and even more incorrect in your attempts to defend it.
Explain why then.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 19:59:51 No.11074334 Report

Quoted By:

>>11074219
Tbf Anon, a "county judge" in Texas means like "mayor of the county." It's an elected position that has basically nothing to do with actual judges.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 20:00:17 No.11074335 Report

Quoted By: >>11074372

>>11074316
>You can't refute what I said about space colonization though, Starship passenger is 100% going to be like Concorde - for the rich

Sure, at first. But technology is one thing that definitely trickles down. The goal of Starship is to enable a viable Mars colony, not just a tourist resort. It won't be me, but maybe my children's children will be able to sell their Earthly possesions and move to Mars to stay, just in time to escape the climate catastrophe and dysgenic degeneration of the Earth. Forcing a few boomer fucks to move is more than worth for this possibility.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 20:00:50 No.11074336 Report

Quoted By: >>11074344 >>11074375

Ever notice how the autistic screechers who love SpaceX never actually talk about rockets?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 20:02:15 No.11074338 Report

Quoted By:

>>11074333
Already did. Pretending you were pretending to be retarded the whole time and you didn't lose the argument and decide to start trolling, is retarded, retard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 20:04:00 No.11074341 Report

Quoted By: >>11074379

>>11074251
>>forbid others from using it
>Well, yeah. It's their pad.
SpaceX DID go back on their promise they would let others use pad 39A if awarded the lease.
See here: http://spacenews.com/37376spacex-changes-tune-on-lease-terms-for-shuttle-pad/

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 20:04:07 No.11074342 Report

Quoted By: >>11074381

A P O L O G I Z E
>https://spacenews.com/firefly-partners-with-aerojet-rocketdyne-mulls-ar1-engine-for-beta-launch-vehicle/

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 20:04:31 No.11074344 Report

Quoted By: >>11074346

>>11074331
>>11074336
Can we get back to talking about rockets, please? Like about Russia's latest plans for reusable rockets?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 20:05:58 No.11074346 Report

Quoted By: >>11074359

>>11074344
Please spoon-feed me info about this - I am curious

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 20:08:44 No.11074351 Report

Quoted By:

This is what a real IVA suit looks like. Rugged and dependable, with a heritage stretching back to the very first Mercury astronauts. It's utilitarian, but classy in its simplicity.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 20:08:57 No.11074352 Report

Quoted By: >>11074354

>A few pics from this morning.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 20:10:15 No.11074354 Report

Quoted By: >>11074450 >>11075533 >>11076192

>>11074352

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 20:10:37 No.11074355 Report

Quoted By: >>11074357 >>11074376 >>11074379 >>11077282

This is what a real IVA suit looks like. Rugged and dependable, with a heritage stretching back to the very first Mercury astronauts. It's utilitarian, but classy in its simplicity.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 20:11:25 No.11074357 Report

Quoted By:

>>11074355
yeah but I don't look like a superhero in it

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 20:11:27 No.11074358 Report

Quoted By:

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 20:11:47 No.11074359 Report

Quoted By: >>11074369

>>11074346
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/09/30/russia-plans-reusable-rocket-to-compete-with-elon-musk-by-2024-rbc-a67508
>Russia plans to build its own reusable Argo rocket to start sending resupply missions to the ISS by 2024
>Roscosmos has changed their opinion on reusability being a "nice trick"
>$9.8B for development
>It all seems like a general response to SpaceX supplanting Roscosmos as the cheapest launch provider

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 20:11:49 No.11074360 Report

Quoted By: >>11074362 >>11074376 >>11074379 >>11074391 >>11075943 >>11077294

THIS on the other hand, is what happens when you try and force design. It looks ugly and bloated, because the design is fundamentally opposed to the functionality.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 20:12:35 No.11074362 Report

Quoted By:

>>11074360
oh nononono....

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 20:13:06 No.11074367 Report

Quoted By:

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 20:13:46 No.11074368 Report

Quoted By:

>>11073769
>"IF PROGRESS CONTINUES TO BE EXPONENTIAL"
At least quote him entirely.
Sure, it's a bit ridiculous to even state anything under this assumption.
But then again, with prototypes getting completed within a few months by ordinary welders under the sun, raptors apparently being dirt cheap, getting cheaper and really ramping up in production soon and the ships potentially being incredbily reusable, you can kinda sorta see how he can daydream about something like this.
I mean if this all worked out perfectly, they could just keep flying their grain silos a hundred times and keep shitting out new improved ones whenver they learned something. As long as nothing blew up and everything worked out perfectly, why not keep launching them a few dozen times and then stick people on there? With a hundred tons of payload available surely they can keep 2-3 astronauts alive for a limited time without super complicated systems neccessary.

>>11073905
maybe don't use dragon capsule and boom in the same post like that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 20:13:49 No.11074369 Report

Quoted By: >>11074420 >>11077365

>>11074359
Why does Russia keep trying to build all this new equipment? Is there something just fundamentally wrong with the Soviet-era designs? Can they no longer compete with modern technology? They're running on a shoestring budget as-is; they really should be focusing on using what they already have.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 20:14:10 No.11074372 Report

Quoted By:

>>11074335
judging by historical trends your children's children will be unlikely to hold the same views as you. I agree they'll probably want to escape the heat though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 20:15:15 No.11074375 Report

Quoted By: >>11074384 >>11074424

>>11074336
No because when Thunderfoot isn't spamming the thread we talk about Starship mission profiles, laugh at SLS, and build model rockets. You'd know this if you used the thread for anything but autistic screeching.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 20:15:15 No.11074376 Report

Quoted By: >>11074387 >>11074404 >>11074421 >>11074464 >>11075870 >>11076940

>>11074355
>>11074360
IMO, the Boeing suit would look the best out of the bunch if it had a better helmet (like the one from the NASA suit). It wouldn't hurt to have the international orange color too.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 20:15:35 No.11074378 Report

Quoted By: >>11075455

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 20:15:39 No.11074379 Report

Quoted By: >>11074400 >>11074408

>>11074341
Where's your source for any other company requesting use of the pad and SpaceX denying it?
>>11074355
>>11074360
They both look like shit. They need to stop funding anything besides mechanical counterpressure suits and allow the technology to replace it. The pressure issue has already been mostly solved.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 20:16:50 No.11074381 Report

Quoted By: >>11074385

>>11074342
Can someone explain why they would use AR1 and an expendable rocket? It's two months from the year of our Lord 2020. Throwing Aerojet-priced staged combustion engines into the sea can't be cost competitive, right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 20:17:34 No.11074384 Report

Quoted By: >>11074390

>>11074375
I'm pro-SLS too Anon, but I just lurk here usually. There are dozens of us! Dozens!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 20:18:37 No.11074385 Report

Quoted By: >>11074396

>>11074381
>hurr I literally can't read :P

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 20:19:05 No.11074387 Report

Quoted By: >>11074412

>>11074376
IMO it's the chest region on the Boeing suit that looks bad, like it's been over-inflated. The color is eugh too, you're right, but the helmet is the least of that suit's worries.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 20:19:57 No.11074390 Report

Quoted By: >>11074425

>>11074384
SLS will continue to have a place until Starship has demonstrated a couple hundred safe reuses. It makes SLS really pointless when it can do that, but NASA considers SLS human-rated out of the gate. Starship is a risky wildcard that could open the stars or just explode a bunch.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 20:19:58 No.11074391 Report

Quoted By: >>11074410

>>11074360
yikes, whose suit is that?
Forcing suit design is stupid because things don't become fashionable because they look good (how do you measure what looks good) but rather because they are iconic. Most fashion items started out as entirely practical apparel eg jeans bomber jackets so 2030 kids will probably start wearing orange NASA suits.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 20:21:04 No.11074394 Report

Quoted By: >>11074413 >>11074446 >>11076516

Why can't spacesuit designs look like this? Both utilitarian AND cool. Instead we get teletubbies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 20:21:18 No.11074396 Report

Quoted By:

>>11074385
The article doesn't really get into detail as to why it's considered cost effective, just that "it is lol".

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 20:22:13 No.11074400 Report

Quoted By: >>11074427

>>11074379
>They both look like shit. They need to stop funding anything besides mechanical counterpressure suits and allow the technology to replace it. The pressure issue has already been mostly solved.
Anon, mechanical counterpressure suits are basically sci-fi as of right now. There are a few "working" prototypes, but they're completely impractical for real-world use.
Also, orange suit good.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 20:22:40 No.11074404 Report

Quoted By: >>11074458

>>11074376

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 20:24:07 No.11074408 Report

Quoted By: >>11074427 >>11075538

>>11074379
>mechanical counterpressure suits

Your balls would swell up.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 20:24:23 No.11074410 Report

Quoted By: >>11074415 >>11074434

>>11074391
That's SpaceX's suit, except that's the real one, worn by real astronauts, not the mock-up worn by a model they used to promote it. Pic related is how it was SUPPOSED to look.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 20:25:10 No.11074412 Report

Quoted By:

>>11074387
I really don't mind the bloated chest. It looks more sturdy that way. Then again, I really want the "space suits become like plate mail" future.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 20:25:30 No.11074413 Report

Quoted By: >>11074446

>>11074394
another one

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 20:26:12 No.11074415 Report

Quoted By: >>11074419

>>11074410
I mean. I wouldn't mind a jacket in that style, maybe in a different color.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 20:27:50 No.11074419 Report

Quoted By:

>>11074415
Well the mock-up looks unironically kino, but that's what happens when you hire the guys that make movie costumes.
It's when you try to apply that logic to functional gear that things become problematic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 20:28:32 No.11074420 Report

Quoted By: >>11077365

>>11074369
Kinda hard to do corruption unless you "try" to build something

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 20:28:39 No.11074421 Report

Quoted By:

>>11074376
NASA suit is slaying, cut, colour, accessories all yasss
t. LGBT

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 20:29:35 No.11074424 Report

Quoted By:

>>11074375
>Thunderfoot
Who?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 20:29:50 No.11074425 Report

Quoted By: >>11074448

>>11074390
Starship has a launch escape right?

......right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 20:30:03 No.11074427 Report

Quoted By: >>11074447

>>11074400
They're sci-fi because NASA refuses to fund much research into them and prefers spend hundreds of million in hopes of barely improving the Apollo era designs, yet a small team at MIT got most of the way there on counterpressure suits. Hell, you can wrap yourself in spandex and get 2/3rd of the pressure needed to survive in space, it's only a matter of time until someone cracks it, specifically getting enough pressure to areas like your joints.
>>11074408
It's 2019, bigot, men don't need balls.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 20:31:10 No.11074434 Report

Quoted By: >>11074441 >>11076195

>>11074410
He looks like The Stig.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 20:33:01 No.11074441 Report

Quoted By: >>11075472

>>11074434
>Top Gear (the good one) but in space
Imagine...

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 20:33:56 No.11074446 Report

Quoted By: >>11074454

>>11074394
>>11074413
Want a serious answer Anon?
There are two types of spacesuits: hard-suits and soft suits. A pure hardsuit would look like pic related, btw.
Soft-suits are light, flexible, and easy to tailor to individual astronauts. However, their weakness is that they essentially inflate like a balloon when pressurized, making even simple tasks an arduous ordeal of fighting the suit from the inside.
Hard-suits are heavy, rigid, and nearly impossible to customize, but they don't lose any flexibility when pressurized, making them much more easy to work with in practical conditions.
NASA's new xEMU is a hybrid suit design, which uses elements from both. Your suit designs are almost exclusively soft-suits, and would suffer from the same disadvantages.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 20:34:07 No.11074447 Report

Quoted By: >>11074481

>>11074427
apollo tech works

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 20:34:11 No.11074448 Report

Quoted By: >>11074465

>>11074425
it might be able to survive a zero-zero abort if the lower stage fails
the upper stage IS the ship however

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 20:35:09 No.11074450 Report

Quoted By:

>>11074354
I can fap to this pic

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 20:36:02 No.11074453 Report

Quoted By: >>11074460

>>11074205
>squandering
>resources I paid through taxes
kek How much did you pay for SpaceX to "squander"?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 20:36:14 No.11074454 Report

Quoted By: >>11076153

>>11074446
I'd rather stay on earth and die in the asteroid fireball than wear that fashion crime.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 20:37:04 No.11074458 Report

Quoted By:

>>11074404
Based and suit-pilled.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 20:37:26 No.11074460 Report

Quoted By: >>11074467

>>11074453
more than you did, neet incel

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 20:39:19 No.11074464 Report

Quoted By:

>>11074376
I can see the leotard in boing suit

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 20:39:52 No.11074465 Report

Quoted By: >>11074470

>>11074448
whats a zero-zero abort?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 20:40:28 No.11074467 Report

Quoted By:

>>11074460
You told him

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 20:40:47 No.11074470 Report

Quoted By: >>11074500

>>11074465
Zero altitude and zero airspeed, aka sitting still on the pad

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 20:45:08 No.11074481 Report

Quoted By: >>11074485 >>11074500

>>11074447
>apollo tech works
Yes, it works, but it's terrible expensive and it isn't worth spending so much money on barely improving it. The technology is getting worse in some sense because they did away with custom fitted suits. Modern suits are around 17 times more expensive than in the Apollo era suits were.

It's time to switch to counterpressure suits, the technology is there. They can use elastic fabrics to get most of the pressure needed and coil actuators to get the rest. It's a hard design challenge but very feasible.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 20:47:35 No.11074485 Report

Quoted By: >>11074504

>>11074481
Anon, if you think the xEMU is in any way inferior to the Apollo suits, then I'm sorry but you really don't know what you're talking about.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 20:56:09 No.11074500 Report

Quoted By: >>11074502 >>11074562 >>11074574 >>11075552

>>11074470
That would never work because the ship engines are pointing straight down.
>>11074481
New designs are a pain though, research, development costs they never work good on first try. I don't disagree with you but I don't blame them for sticking with Apollo tech.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 20:57:04 No.11074502 Report

Quoted By:

>>11074500
>that would never work
nah

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 20:57:19 No.11074504 Report

Quoted By: >>11074554

>>11074485
>if you think the xEMU is in any way inferior to the Apollo suits, then I'm sorry but you really don't know what you're talking about.
It's objectively inferior in sizing and your fallacy argument doesn't change this fact. Having to swap out the arms or legs of your suit defeats the purpose of having just one size that fits everyone and you still end up looking like:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yj6LYpZosRU

It's obviously less functional in that way than Apollo suits were and it adds unnecessary weight. Custom fitted suits are an improvement and they should have never had tried to get rid of them to save cost.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 21:14:25 No.11074554 Report

Quoted By: >>11074574

>>11074504
Anon, how are custom fitted suits superior in anything but aesthetics?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 21:17:27 No.11074562 Report

Quoted By: >>11076147

>>11074500
Research and development is why NASA exists. NASA is descended from NACA, which served to teach American companies how to airplanes. NACA didn't build airplanes. NASA should exist to teach American companies how to rockets (ie the Starship refueling joint venture) and launch exploration missions that aren't commercially viable (like Europa Clipper, Juno, the Mars rovers, etc).

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 21:23:33 No.11074574 Report

Quoted By: >>11074586

>>11074500
Well, it is NASA and they can barely do anything without having to spend millions of dollars more than it should have taken, but I expect the private companies will force the change. Most of the initial research has already taken place over decades, partly funded by NASA, and they've created functioning prototypes. I really believe it's just a matter of time before the switch happens and thinking that they're going to be walking around in bloated space suits a hundred years from now is like thinking that the horse will forever remain the dominate form of transport.

It would be a great question to ask Elon Musk what he thinks about them and if SpaceX has any plan to design a suit for EVA. It seems like he would be the first one to try to make the switch because of his love for slick design.
>>11074554
>Anon, how are custom fitted suits superior in anything but aesthetics?
Weight, for starters, they already try to get their suits as light as possible to aid in mobility. Forcing a naturally weaker person like a small woman to carry the weight of a suit that would support an adult male is nonsensical, they already have countless shoulder issues just from their training. Another thing is just the added size itself and trying to work around it. I would be like putting on a giant snowsuit over your existing one and trying to do physical work, it would get in the way of everything when you're already struggling to move.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 21:28:29 No.11074586 Report

Quoted By: >>11074597

>>11074574
You're forgetting that weight is essentially a non-factor in the lunar environment, and that soft suits inhibit movement much more than hard suits.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 21:33:35 No.11074597 Report

Quoted By: >>11074600

>>11074586
I'm completely aware of that and it doesn't change the fact that most use of spacesuits are in training on earth, which is why they spend so much money trying to get the weight down. It's one of the biggest factors in suit design, around 30 astronauts have already had to have shoulder surgery because of the training with space suits.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 21:35:50 No.11074600 Report

Quoted By: >>11074622

>>11074597
Weight isn't a factor in the NBL either. They can use reduced-weight models for training if they need to do stuff outside of it. I'm really not sure what you're getting at.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 21:42:30 No.11074622 Report

Quoted By:

>>11074600
>Weight isn't a factor in the NBL either
Yes, it is. I was quoting a NASA astronaut when I was talking about the shoulder issues and it something that is discussed at length within NASA. Here's an old report on it:
https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20120009404.pdf
>They can use reduced-weight models
Even the reduced weight models are very heavy. You can see the woman in the xEMU suit struggle to get up the stairs, pick up a rock, and she was only able to stand up for ten minutes before she had to get off the stage and recover. It was a reduced weight suit, something like 70 pounds.
> I'm really not sure what you're getting at.
You know exactly what I'm getting at, having to wear something heavier and bulkier is worse than something that is lighter and more form fitting, practically everyone would agree with it, but you're still here playing dumb and ignoring the reality.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 23:12:30 No.11074885 Report

Quoted By: >>11076118

>9th Falcon 9 launch and the 11th SpaceX launch of 2019
>911
>9/11
SpaceX did 9/11. Here I thought it was the fucking Jews.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 01:13:58 No.11075182 Report

Quoted By:

>>11073755
Your right, SLS is just the Jupiter rocket minus the Middle progression :^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 02:05:51 No.11075298 Report

Quoted By:

Update on my pressure regulator search. I've looked at sites like Summit Racing, but I couldn't find one that met the pressure requirements I have (~1000 psi inlet to ~200 psi outlet), so I'm going with the one I picked first. Once I get that and it's fittings figured out, all I need plumbing-wise is one electronically operated valve. I really hope I can get thing done!

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 03:13:41 No.11075426 Report

Quoted By:

>>11074128
>>11074135
>>11074145

>Texas Flip and Move Brownsville edition

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 03:23:56 No.11075455 Report

Quoted By: >>11075473

>>11074378
Nice Isogrid.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 03:31:45 No.11075472 Report

Quoted By: >>11075489 >>11076178

>>11074441
Someone did once, and imagined the three being resurrected a couple hundred years in the future doing a cheap rocket challenge. Wish I could find the damn thing again.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 03:32:52 No.11075473 Report

Quoted By: >>11075559

>>11075455
>but it's welded from steel, not milled from a single block of aluminum like the kind of precision parts you need in space!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 03:43:17 No.11075489 Report

Quoted By: >>11075497 >>11075504

>>11075472
>Clarkson screaming "POWER!" while doing a perilune burn, his spacecraft is falling apart
>May giving a dry technical presentation about why ion drives powered by nuclear reactors are the way of the future, the audience are falling asleep
>Hammond wanders around on what he thinks is the far side of Ganymede, is actually at the north pole on Earth

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 03:49:22 No.11075497 Report

Quoted By: >>11075525

>>11075489
>As you'd imagine, I've done this properly
>Slaps beat up Falcon 9

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 03:49:40 No.11075498 Report

Quoted By:

>>11074091
Source? See how easy that is retard?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 03:54:07 No.11075504 Report

Quoted By:

>>11075489
Fund it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 04:05:06 No.11075524 Report

Quoted By:

>>11074316
You'd be surprised how many blue-collar welder folk could afford to drop their Earth based properties and buy a $500,000 ticket to go weld things together on Mars instead. Snobbish billionaires won't be able to build a casino on Mars on their own, because none of them can figure out which end of a bolt goes in a hole. They're gonna have to pay red-collar Mars men to build their palaces, and in the process a lot of them are gonna turn from billionaires to millionaires, and many of them won't even like Mars and will go back to Earth having spent most of their money and got nothing out of it but a gigantic amount of precious salt.
An industrious Mars colony is the perfect old-money trap to help reset ultra-rich families back to baseline, as god intended.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 04:05:23 No.11075525 Report

Quoted By:

>>11075497
>"For tonight, Jeff gave us his new lunar lander for us to test, and we're going to test it the only way we know how..."

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 04:08:28 No.11075533 Report

Quoted By:

>>11074354
me rikey, me rikey a rot ^--^

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 04:12:53 No.11075538 Report

Quoted By:

>>11074408
Mechanical pressure on your limbs, pneumatic pressure on your torso, head and genitals. Did I just solve space suit mobility issues via big brain moment?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 04:22:03 No.11075552 Report

Quoted By:

>>11074500
>That would never work because the ship engines are pointing straight down.
????
What do you mean, do you think the Booster failure is gonna damage the Raptor engines? Not likely, considering they'd start firing IMMEDIATELY and the exhaust plume from those 7 engines is gonna blow any debris back down away from the Starship, and when rocket stages fail they don't actually detonate anyway, they deflagrate, which means a much less destructive release of energy. Elon has said that they can go from zero to firing the engine and ramping to 100% thrust almost instantly, way faster than they've done on the test stand, but it would be hard on the engines so they haven't done it yet. Just to entertain the idea, if a Starship ever had to abort off of a Booster, after it landed they'd probably swap all the engines out for inspection just to make sure they were still good to go. I don't think that by the time Starship is cleared to fly people that there will be any meaningful chance of the Booster failing anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 04:23:32 No.11075559 Report

Quoted By: >>11075568

>>11075473
>additive manufacturing
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 04:27:46 No.11075568 Report

Quoted By: >>11075586 >>11075587

>>11075559
Imagine Starship's hull, tankage, and superstructure being entirely 3D printed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 04:35:33 No.11075586 Report

Quoted By:

>>11075568
>Print time remaining
>20000000 hours

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 04:35:59 No.11075587 Report

Quoted By: >>11075609 >>11075643 >>11076077

>>11075568
It's already additively manufactured, plates of metal welded together into rings and rings stacked into tanks.
The RIGHT way to do it would be to forge a giant steel rod, 10 meters wide and 55 meters tall, then machine it down to the correct outer and inner diameters plus 1 inch within 0.1 thou tolerances, forming the bulkheads as they go, and then do a second pass where they machine isogrids into every surface to save weight. Also, only one milling machine going at a time, and for every half hour of work they need to perform an 8 hour cleaning sweep to remove any and all chips that could otherwise potentially gall up the cutting bit. Every time the bit reaches end of life, after 360 minutes of cutting, it requires a 12 hour operation to replace with a new $440,000 bit and the machine needs to be re-calibrated, because any cheaper option could introduce variations in thickness that go out of the final 0.02 thou thickness deviation spec.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 04:43:13 No.11075609 Report

Quoted By:

>>11075587
>Shipyards of the future are just fucking huge automated lathes turning out hull after hull

Kino

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 05:01:18 No.11075643 Report

Quoted By: >>11076486

>>11075587
>mixing metric and imperial measurements
more cursed than anything else there

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 05:28:09 No.11075719 Report

Quoted By: >>11075790 >>11076335 >>11076954

>>11073672

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 06:22:20 No.11075790 Report

Quoted By: >>11075808 >>11075812

>>11075719
gotdamn when you put it that way it looks insane
here's my shitty pic of the initial price for both, which looks even more insane

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 06:34:00 No.11075808 Report

Quoted By: >>11075812

>>11075790
shit i fucked that up im retarded lmao

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 06:37:20 No.11075812 Report

Quoted By:

>>11075790
>>11075808
this one is less retarded

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 07:22:43 No.11075870 Report

Quoted By:

>>11074376
The boeing helmet is interesting. It doesn't look cool but it does seem like it weighs a lot less.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 08:26:46 No.11075943 Report

Quoted By: >>11076041 >>11076082

>>11074360
>both have a super awkward facial expression
>both slouching
>the top is too fucking short
>helmet not closed and see through
>gloves not on
Honestly, the short top is the most egrigious. Looks like they're wearing kid spacesuits.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 09:24:32 No.11076041 Report

Quoted By:

>>11075943
>not wanting to go to space in your pajamas

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 09:28:16 No.11076048 Report

Quoted By:

>>11073093
Daily reminder nada had valid evidence for proliferating life on Mars in the 70's and immediately quit sending life detecting equipment, even though adamant that is their goal.

I really hope Elon is successful in getting people to Mars if only to btfo of NASA

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 09:40:05 No.11076077 Report

Quoted By:

>>11075587
imagine the sm... er, steel

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 09:42:30 No.11076082 Report

Quoted By:

>>11075943
>implying it's a short neck
>implying it's not giant 80s A E S T H E T I C shoulderpads

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 09:54:23 No.11076118 Report

Quoted By:

>>11074885
Well ifc the jews are somewhere in there, pilling the strings

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 09:54:32 No.11076119 Report

Quoted By:

>>11074222
I'd turn into one and get fucked.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 10:00:41 No.11076142 Report

Quoted By:

>>11074222

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 10:02:57 No.11076147 Report

Quoted By: >>11076269

>>11074562
I'm which case they're kind of redundant at this point. SpaceX seem to be doing ok

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 10:05:20 No.11076153 Report

Quoted By:

>>11074454
>fashion crime
come on now, it's very fancy
it even won a Michelin star for design

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 10:17:42 No.11076178 Report

Quoted By:

>>11075472
>Top Gear but with spaceships

Star Citizen did that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wcSgaNQUgo

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 10:26:17 No.11076192 Report

Quoted By: >>11076736 >>11077392 >>11077957

>>11074354
This is what a rocket would end up looking like if I tried to build it. I can't imagine what oldspace types must think, because you can bet they're watching and it's a physical repudiation of their entire philosophy, a massive shiny middle finger being whacked together by grunts in the dusty open air, poised to expose them as corrupt charlatans peddling a hopelessly uncompetitive product.

Presumably all this exterior plumbing etc. is going to be moved inside for production versions and they're just putting it on the outside to make prototyping easier?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 10:26:34 No.11076195 Report

Quoted By: >>11076515

>>11074434
>Some say he urinates asymetric hydrazine, and that he has never seen the Great Wall of China. All we know is he’s called the Stig.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 10:27:37 No.11076199 Report

Quoted By: >>11076226 >>11076312 >>11076779

SpaceX Paul Wooster's Mars Society Convention presentation, watch here (fucking spam filter)

https://pastebin.com/7LH7LPSh

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 10:31:46 No.11076204 Report

Quoted By:

>>11073211
nice try SpaceX shill

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 10:42:25 No.11076226 Report

Quoted By: >>11076257

>>11076199
Nonfagbook video? Upload to YouTube or something

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 10:52:40 No.11076257 Report

Quoted By:

>>11076226
im watching without a jewbook account

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 10:56:52 No.11076269 Report

Quoted By:

>>11076147
Nah, you just don't hear about it much when SpaceX gets technology transfer stuff. SpaceX has been taking a lot of ideas from the past 50 years and finally making them real.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 11:05:52 No.11076293 Report

Quoted By: >>11076300

>>11073838
>getting humanity onto multiple other objects
But that is not what they do, the launch commercial payloads into GTO an LEO. No scientfic missions not launching humans no development of lifesupport and so on. Stop repeating their laughable PR claims you gullible fool.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 11:08:17 No.11076300 Report

Quoted By: >>11076341 >>11076354

>>11076293
>not launching humans no development of lifesupport

Crew Dragon rings a bell, retard?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 11:13:58 No.11076312 Report

Quoted By: >>11076348

>>11076199
>every second word is "you know"
I didn't expect Elon to be giving speaking classes at SpaceX

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 11:23:52 No.11076335 Report

Quoted By:

>>11075719
>government vs private

Really makes you think.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 11:24:55 No.11076341 Report

Quoted By:

>>11076300
Yeah, that one sure went well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 11:27:30 No.11076348 Report

Quoted By:

>>11076312
Technical heads at spacex are autistic people with stem degree and not liberal arts major. Thus you get presentation made for technical presentation not PR relations.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 11:30:41 No.11076354 Report

Quoted By: >>11076358

>>11076300
Tbf Crew Dragon is launching NASA astronauts and being funded by NASA money to do this, there currently aren’t any viable customers apart from NASA when it comes to human spaceflight. SpaceX could technically launch their own astronauts, but they haven’t because there’s really no point at the moment.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 11:32:42 No.11076358 Report

Quoted By: >>11076363

>>11076354
The Crew Dragon also involved heavy technology transfer with NASA, especially in regards to the life support system.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 11:36:52 No.11076363 Report

Quoted By: >>11076433

>>11076358
I notice the lack of complaining about literally every single other rocket company receiving technology transfers from NASA

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 12:09:36 No.11076413 Report

Quoted By: >>11076433

Starship LAUNCH cost will be less than Falcon 9 according to Paul Wooster. 150t, fully reusable, etc

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 12:23:18 No.11076433 Report

Quoted By: >>11076438

>>11076363
Nobody’s complaining about technology transfers, just making the point that a lot of the R&D for stuff is done or funded by NASA. This applies to all aerospace companies.

>>11076413
This has been said multiple times already, Wooster’s presentations are somewhat boring, because usually nothing new apart from a few small technical details are revealed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 12:27:43 No.11076438 Report

Quoted By:

>>11076433
He did mention that with regards to life support, they are going to use a Dragon 2 derived system initially, as it is sufficient for flights in cislunar space with smaller number of people. Also supported by lots of supplies and spare parts due to high payload capacity. Then they are going to work from there.

Also said that they want to have a central column in the middle of the cabin for radiation shielding in case of solar storms.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 12:45:53 No.11076474 Report

Quoted By: >>11076518 >>11076799 >>11077191

shiny boi

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 12:51:05 No.11076486 Report

Quoted By: >>11076504

>>11075643
>He hasn’t worked in aerospace

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 13:00:08 No.11076504 Report

Quoted By:

>>11076486
Americans should be nuked to oblivion for their crimes against SI

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 13:07:56 No.11076515 Report

Quoted By:

>>11076195
kek

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 13:09:04 No.11076516 Report

Quoted By:

>>11074394
>Why can't spacesuit designs look like this?
a: you don't want bits and pieces and straps to hang lose and risk getting entangled with
b: you want to keep number of parts down to reduce overall risk of failure
c: you want to keep it simple to keep cost down (as well as risk)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 13:09:48 No.11076518 Report

Quoted By:

>>11076474
>ultra boom

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 13:18:05 No.11076529 Report

Quoted By: >>11076545

>>11073550
>>11073631
>(x) yes
The funny thing is, the "polymer" in the MIT spacesuit is latex. They tried spandex but it did not provide enough compression. Latex works and is also air tight (and moisture tight).

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 13:24:37 No.11076545 Report

Quoted By: >>11076859

>>11076529
is that a super soaker?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 14:43:19 No.11076736 Report

Quoted By:

>>11076192
there are going to be chines, and the plumbing goes under the chines

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 15:14:00 No.11076779 Report

Quoted By:

>>11076199
so what's the timestamp to skip the filk?
Okay, found it while captcha was broken. It's good to hear them talk about the direct lessons they've learned from the heritage projects of NASA like the Space Shuttle

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 15:16:46 No.11076785 Report

Quoted By: >>11076989

the blue/purple of methane is beautiful

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 15:25:56 No.11076799 Report

Quoted By:

>>11076474
>making it out of mundane stainless steel
>not making it out of glorious Mag-Thor
Elon, wtf are you doing?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 15:51:02 No.11076859 Report

Quoted By:

>>11076545
Yes, not certain which model though. /toy/ could probably nail it without difficulty.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 16:23:37 No.11076940 Report

Quoted By:

>>11074376
NASA is the best by far

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 16:28:03 No.11076951 Report

Quoted By: >>11076958

How do you become an astronaut? If you study astrophysics can you go on space missions or do you get cucked into staying on earth while the cool people go into space?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 16:30:04 No.11076954 Report

Quoted By:

>>11075719
that's like 1 launch per year
vs
1 launch every other day, for a year

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 16:31:19 No.11076958 Report

Quoted By: >>11076964

>>11076951
The current flight of astronauts includes a man who:
>Is an ex Navy SEAL, with multiple combat deployments
>Who has a master's in mathematics from Harvard
>And has an MD
You kind of have to reach or exceed those standards to even be considered

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 16:32:38 No.11076964 Report

Quoted By: >>11076979 >>11076982 >>11076985 >>11077024

>>11076958
Gay, when do regular people get to into space?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 16:36:47 No.11076979 Report

Quoted By:

>>11076964
After it gets as cheep as flying across Pacific.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 16:37:41 No.11076982 Report

Quoted By: >>11076994

>>11076964
20 more years. First few batches of SpaceX plan would require extraordinary men/women and not Joe/Stacy who work 9/5 jobs and party on weekends.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 16:39:17 No.11076985 Report

Quoted By: >>11077018

>>11076964
Why do you limit yourself to being a regular person?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 16:40:25 No.11076989 Report

Quoted By: >>11076990

>>11076785
if you have a gas oven at home, it is the same color, beautiful indeed

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 16:41:03 No.11076990 Report

Quoted By:

>>11076989
yeah but the gas stove isn't big

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 16:42:34 No.11076994 Report

Quoted By:

>>11076982
Even then, they're probably not going to take many 45 year olds and prioritize younger people. If you're reading this thread in 2019, the chances of you making it to Mars any time in the next 30-40 years is very slim.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 16:50:27 No.11077018 Report

Quoted By: >>11077034 >>11077049 >>11077328

>>11076985
>"just get ten degrees and fifty years Air Force experience bro, what's the matter?"
No thanks, just sell me my Starliner ticket and hurry up with the in-flight cocktail already.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 16:52:06 No.11077024 Report

Quoted By: >>11077026 >>11077049

>>11076964
Better question, how long until I can get into space just on the merits of having a working body and willing to do boring labor.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 16:52:45 No.11077026 Report

Quoted By: >>11077040

>>11077024
Never

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 16:54:29 No.11077034 Report

Quoted By: >>11077042

>>11077018
>"just get ten degrees and fifty years Air Force experience bro, what's the matter?"
Sounds like one of those bullshit requirements that some companies post when they really don't want anyone applying (or are delusional and expect really high standards for an entry level job).

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 16:56:59 No.11077040 Report

Quoted By:

>>11077026
>advancing spaceflight for the sole purpose of leaving all humans on Earth to rot forever
Pretty sneaky, AI overmind.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 16:58:07 No.11077042 Report

Quoted By:

>>11077034
>entry-level position
>20 years experience required

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 16:59:17 No.11077049 Report

Quoted By: >>11077051 >>11077054

>>11077018
Regular people wouldn't be able to afford a Starliner ticket.

Checkmate.
>>11077024
You can barely get a job in first world nations just having those qualifications, let alone in space or on another planet. By that time automation would have hit so hard that even low skill jobs would be rare.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 17:00:27 No.11077051 Report

Quoted By: >>11077092

>>11077049
>regular people wouldn't be able to afford a starliner ticket
the math works out cheaper than business class if you assume best case stuff
worst case stuff it doesn't fly
there's no real telling at this point

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 17:01:23 No.11077054 Report

Quoted By: >>11077092

>>11077049
>Regular people wouldn't be able to afford a Starliner ticket.
They said the same for oceanic crossings and now fat middleclass slobs get shitfaced and fuck on Carnival cruises for the cost of a shitty used car.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 17:15:14 No.11077092 Report

Quoted By: >>11077102

>>11077051
>>11077054
Go on any 12 month long(6 months each way) cruises lately? If they had to do the same thing with an oceanliner, tickets would still be prohibitively expensive for most people and they're going to gear it towards the very wealthy. I'm assuming you would want to spend some time on Mars as well which would also increase the cost.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 17:16:55 No.11077096 Report

Quoted By: >>11077185

impactlab.net/2019/10/18/international-space-station-crew-3d-prints-meat-in-space-for-the-first-time/

Is this real??

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 17:18:34 No.11077102 Report

Quoted By: >>11077131

>>11077092
oh, you were talking about trips to Mars?
there's no way they're bringing anybody who doesn't have a viable business plan or is hired by somebody with a viable plan. It'll probably be treated similarly to taking out a large loan.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 17:26:59 No.11077131 Report

Quoted By:

>>11077102
>oh, you were talking about trips to Mars?
Yes, although I realize that wasn't the context of the conversation now. I just read about someone working in space and without thinking assumed they meant Mars. Tourism there is really nonviable based on the travel times, it would be a once in a lifetime trip for a few very wealthy people.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 17:48:15 No.11077185 Report

Quoted By: >>11077304

>>11077096
Yes, but don't think they're just printing out steaks left and right and eating them. Lab grown meat is very expensive and hasn't yet come of age.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-_Zy-arDb0

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 17:50:26 No.11077191 Report

Quoted By: >>11077243

>>11076474
giver of life and the giver of speed
ever we take even her gravity
her glowing beauty is something to see
bigger and brighter she cometh to me

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 18:08:32 No.11077243 Report

Quoted By:

>>11077191
>virgin mars for the rich
>versus chad there is one planet v

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 18:23:38 No.11077282 Report

Quoted By: >>11077418

>>11074355
Aesthetics is just as much a selection factor in that spacesuit design as Elon's. What I want to see are the receipts.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 18:28:00 No.11077294 Report

Quoted By: >>11077325

>>11074360

Nah, the real problem is the idea of having a suit at all. Starship will be shirtsleeves.

Boohoo some ruskies in the 60s died when they could have worn spacesuits. Build better spacecraft cabins. All shuttle astros may as well have worn nothing at all.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 18:30:18 No.11077304 Report

Quoted By:

>>11077185
>50 years ago no one imagined humans would leave a footprint on the moon
this is the sort of knowledge level I now expect from people working with NASA in 2019

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 18:34:20 No.11077325 Report

Quoted By:

>>11077294

That said, SpaceX might have a suit stock so their customers can have the full fantasy astronaut experience.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 18:34:24 No.11077328 Report

Quoted By: >>11077339

>>11077018
>there is no area between Regular and PhD
that is why you will never see space, not the requirements

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 18:37:44 No.11077339 Report

Quoted By: >>11077440

>>11077328
I see space right now, checkmate fag.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 18:45:38 No.11077365 Report

Quoted By:

>>11074369
>>11074420

Soviet-era stuff is just outdated, old equipment not suited for todays requirements. Its also not about corruption but about keeping an unique industrial sector alive that gives Russia immeasurable prestige.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 18:50:05 No.11077385 Report

Quoted By: >>11077400 >>11077420 >>11077425 >>11077442 >>11077621

"The first woman and next man to the moon"

This is such a canned line, I'm already sick of hearing it. I wish NASA wouldn't market Artemis like female Ghostbusters.
Future missions:
>The first transperson and next woman
>The first disabled person and next transwoman
>The first little person and next disabled person.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 18:52:22 No.11077392 Report

Quoted By:

>>11076192
Ease of access is part of it, but other rockets have had some external plumbing as well so not all of it necessarily has to move inside. If it's the side facing away from reentry I don't see why it couldn't just be left external so long as it's calculated that reflected heat from the reentry won't cause any problems with it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 18:53:58 No.11077400 Report

Quoted By: >>11077427 >>11077445 >>11077466

>>11077385
A little person would be at least three times as useful as a token women, cause less strife and consume fewer resources.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 18:59:37 No.11077418 Report

Quoted By:

>>11077282
>Aesthetics is just as much a selection factor in that spacesuit design as Elon's

In a way your right, it’s purposefully orange to make the crew as visible as possible during recovery operations.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 19:00:20 No.11077420 Report

Quoted By: >>11077445

>>11077385
The First Woman and Next Man launched on an American Rocket from American Soil

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 19:00:52 No.11077425 Report

Quoted By: >>11077427 >>11077445 >>11077552 >>11077566

>>11077385
Who cares if it helps public interest in space travel?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 19:03:07 No.11077427 Report

Quoted By:

>>11077400
Expendable midgets are not just a good idea, they're imperative to humanity's success in space.

>>11077425
This, and this is why "nuke Mars!" is a good idea. Nuke Mars not because it will magically terraform Mars. Nuke Mars because it will give us good baseline data for what changing the water vapor content of the Martian atmosphere does to the planet's climate, and because nuking Mars is fucking cool. It's like a planetary impactor for terraforming science.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 19:08:09 No.11077440 Report

Quoted By:

>>11077339
Kek

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 19:09:57 No.11077442 Report

Quoted By:

>>11077385
Well it started a long time ago but it's especially relevant now, a while back the political parties decided that their best strategy was instead of arguing over who's overall policy would be better for the entire country, it would be better to split and balkanize the population into identity groups with each party being the champion of only that group. The result is that now every government project can only be justified in the context of whether or not it advances the goals of one of the balkanized groups, so space exploration isn't worth it unless Tranny WoMexicans of Color who spiritually identify as wolves are specifically advantaged over other members of society.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 19:10:49 No.11077445 Report

Quoted By: >>11077451

>>11077400
>cause less strife and consume fewer resources.
Maybe we should only send Little People to Mars along with Elon Musk. It can be like their own Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. Elon will be Willy Wonka, of course.
>>11077420
Yikes. That's enough for a drinking game any time you watch something from NASA. Drink every time you hear:
>First woman
>Next man
>American soil
>American rocket
>>11077425
It doesn't, it just makes it look like there's no reason to go to the moon other than to place whatever token non-CIS male there. They should focus on the science and how it will help advance space travel in general.

People are going to be interested in STEM/Space if that's what their geared for. Female empowerment slogans are worthless. Some of the countries with the most feminists have the largest gap in genders for certain jobs like nursing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 19:12:24 No.11077451 Report

Quoted By: >>11077471

>>11077445
>It doesn't
>Female empowerment slogans are worthless.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dana_Scully#%22The_Scully_Effect%22

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 19:17:34 No.11077466 Report

Quoted By: >>11077472 >>11077481 >>11077490 >>11077562

>>11077400

>A little person

This begs the following questions:

1: When are we going to see childeren being launched into space?

2: How long can a child spend time in space before irreparable damage is done to his/her's bodily development?

3: How close are we to building things that mimic Earth's gravity in space (Think of spinning rings, simulating gravity through centrifugal forces)?

4: Will we ever see the use of gravity plates (using a higgsboson field to simulate gravity)?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 19:20:41 No.11077471 Report

Quoted By:

>>11077451
That's literally anecdotal pop-science bullshit with a source from Yes Magazine. If female empowerment propaganda worked, the gender gap would have been closed already. There are natural differences in interests between the average male and female, regardless of the environment they were raised in. If we look at better evidence, such as the gender gap in the most equal countries on the planet, we see that in some cases the gender gap actually widens.

Just stop with the bullshit.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 19:21:36 No.11077472 Report

Quoted By:

>>11077466
>How long can a child spend time in space before irreparable damage is done to his/her's bodily development?
only one way to find out

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 19:25:45 No.11077481 Report

Quoted By: >>11077528

>>11077466
You mean:
This raises the question*
I don't care, but you may want to know that you're using that term incorrectly so snooty people don't think less of you for it. No big deal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 19:27:15 No.11077484 Report

Quoted By: >>11077494

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RR-Zc5OuWw

Florida SpaceX Starship MK2 and MK4 20 October 2019

So the rings have begun to move into the hangar, expecting the top section to be built there. -NSF

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 19:29:49 No.11077490 Report

Quoted By: >>11077528 >>11077889

>>11077466
>When will children fly into space?
Probably not soon, even though (good) rockets have failure rates similar to passenger aircraft the whole idea of riding what is essentially an enormous fuel-air bomb from place to place is too frightening for most people to even consider as adults. If you could build a TSTO spaceplane it might expedite families traveling into space because it's at least something more recognizable and takeoff+reentry g stresses will be closer to safe.
>How long can a child spend time in space before irreparable damage is done?
Depends on how old they are, you probably don't want to send them up at all until at least puberty and then probably not for more than a few weeks to a month, since their body before that is still developing all major structures and afterwards until the early to mid 20's everything else is still growing steadily. They could go to space more times than adults and return before any major health issues start though, since young people bounce back much better from physical stress.
>How close are we to rotohabs?
Literally any enterprising company or government space agency *could* build one if they were willing to do so, you could build one like a tent pole kit with nothing but extendable spars to hold the spinning section to a common core like a wheel with many interconnected habs as the outer ring. You'd have to greatly increase the number of launches though to get it constructed in a timely manner though which no government space agency can be trusted to do. Rotohabs will almost surely be established by private industries first due to the potential economic benefits of significant experimentation in biomedical technologies, material science, and novel energy generation available only in space.
>Will we ever see gravity plates?
Indeterminate because so far no gravity manipulation technology has been demonstrated to be feasible at any level. Monkeys discussing a microwave oven.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 19:31:33 No.11077494 Report

Quoted By:

>>11077484
Was that new single seam ring confirmed for belonging to MK4? I thought it was just speculation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 19:40:09 No.11077528 Report

Quoted By: >>11077539 >>11077560

>>11077481

Thanks for correcting me like that, English is my third language so i might make mistakes here and there.

>>11077490

Thanks for awnsering all my questions!

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 19:42:40 No.11077539 Report

Quoted By:

>>11077528
>English is my third language
Impressive

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 19:48:48 No.11077552 Report

Quoted By: >>11077621

>>11077425
because it gets the attention of undesirables and alienates the people whom actually fucking achieve things

the trannies and cultists care absolutely fucking nothing for space or science, they care about forcing their ideology everywhere
once they succeed here, they aren't going to start revving up donations or interest, they're just going to leave the burning wreck it now is and go fuck up something else

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 19:51:36 No.11077560 Report

Quoted By:

>>11077528
No problem, thanks for being civil. I made a mistake and the correction should have been:
This raises the following questions*
It's the term begs the question that is often used incorrectly, usually by native English speakers.

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 19:52:29 No.11077562 Report

Quoted By: >>11077568 >>11077579

>>11077466
Honestly small people would be perfect for low G and space ships.

So much talk about noodle people and space humans being 2m tall but getting smaller seems like a far better evolutionary route.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 19:53:22 No.11077566 Report

Quoted By:

>>11077425
Because filling a field up with trannies, whiners, political activists and ladder climbers, and other aberrant members of society doesn't generate public interest.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 19:54:47 No.11077568 Report

Quoted By:

>>11077562
That young lady needs to put on some pants.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 19:59:37 No.11077579 Report

Quoted By: >>11077597

>>11077562
You get long people in space because we are (from an evolutionary perspective) poorly adapted to microgee. All the growth systems of our body evolved assuming approximately 1G and 1 Bar of atmospheric pressure with some slight variation. It doesn't stop at bones though, people living in microgee would also have serious long term issues with lymph fluid draining and venous flow, digestion, fluid movement through the extremities, clotting and pooling of blood, childbirth, etc. Being long would have it's advantages in low gravity or microgravity though, you'd have greater reach to get at hand and footholds which would be pretty important. The two long term solutions would either be to build everything major to spin at say .5-1G, or to extensively genetically engineer everybody who goes into space, use targeted retroviral genotherapy to overwrite a large swath of their body's systems to be better able to adapt to microgee environments.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 20:05:23 No.11077597 Report

Quoted By: >>11077618

>>11077579
Yes micro gravity sucks but we have no idea what low gravity does. It may actually be good for you since there would be less strain on heart and other organs while not having the micro and zero G problems.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 20:17:59 No.11077618 Report

Quoted By:

>>11077597
Yeah, that's why I suggested around .5g as a starting point for rotohabs, it would let you build bigger since the slower you spin the less material you have to dedicate to load bearing. At .5G you could still retain at least healthy muscle mass by doing exercise with twice as much weight, bench, squat, curl twice as much as you would on Earth and you'll be able to at least retain your strength. So long as you regularly place those kinds of demands on your muscles you shouldn't lose bone density either, a person could also be genetically altered to over-express the retention of calcium at safe levels to prevent their bones from degrading in low-g. Once you build a hab with a diameter of 200m you can get up to .44g of acceleration while remaining in the realm of comfort for any normal people. If you increase the rate of spin to 3RPM there may be a period of adaptation where your astronauts need to take mild anti-nausia drugs but you'd get a full g of acceleration and they'd be able to get used to it pretty quickly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 20:19:25 No.11077621 Report

Quoted By: >>11077629

>>11077385
But the Russians did the same thing 50 years ago. It's good for publicity.
>it just makes it look like there's no reason to go to the moon
Honestly there isn't, we already went there and there's hardly anything of value there. Mars should be the focus.
>>11077552
>the trannies and cultists care absolutely fucking nothing for space or science, they care about forcing their ideology everywhere
Remember that on the internet no-one knows you're a dog. I went to Pride 2 years ago, that's the extent of my work for Soros.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 20:23:55 No.11077629 Report

Quoted By: >>11077654

>>11077621
>But the Russians did the same thing 50 years ago. It's good for publicity.
That's completely different. Competition is good for publicity. Unless there's going to be a male versus female space race, it's not even close to being equivalent.
>Honestly there isn't, we already went there and there's hardly anything of value there. Mars should be the focus.
The moon helps us figure out how to live in low gravity situations on another celestial body. If that doesn't interest you, you should be watching female Ghostbusters instead of posting here.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 20:25:08 No.11077636 Report

Quoted By: >>11077648 >>11077904

Did you guys watch Kanata no Astra?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 20:31:48 No.11077648 Report

Quoted By: >>11077652 >>11077661

>>11077636
Never heard of it, just looked it up and it sorta sounds like Star Trek Voyager in the setup. Animation looks slick too, is it any good?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 20:34:05 No.11077652 Report

Quoted By: >>11077678

>>11077648
I loved it. Some of the twists are stretches, but personally my suspension of disbelief never broke, so I really enjoyed it. It actually renewed my interest in space and the tech we'll need to explore it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 20:34:36 No.11077654 Report

Quoted By: >>11077691

>>11077629
How was it different? There was zero reason for publicizing Tereshkova's flight beyond "wow first woman in space!"

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 20:35:54 No.11077661 Report

Quoted By:

>>11077648
>nut
lol

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 20:42:02 No.11077678 Report

Quoted By:

>>11077652
Sounds pretty alright, and appears to have an english dub too. Last space-themed anime I saw was Planetes and it's been a few years, I may give it a go.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 20:47:40 No.11077691 Report

Quoted By: >>11077747

>>11077654
>How was it different? There was zero reason for publicizing Tereshkova's flight beyond "wow first woman in space!"
Are you referring to the Russian versus American space race in general, or just Tereshkova's flight by itself which, maybe, less than one percent of the people alive on Earth even knows about or remembers? Tereshkova contradicts your point for that reason, it was only novel because of the competition between the two countries, which is why Russia mentioned it, and it's still largely was forgotten.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 20:51:54 No.11077699 Report

Quoted By: >>11077788 >>11077878

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4SaofKCYwo
Estronaut doing an hour long discussion of aerospikes, TL;DW, aerospikes may provide significant benefits but so far the technical and RND complexity has made them a bit of an engineering nightmare. I agree with the speculative part at the end where he mentions additive manufacture and improved alloys possibly being the key to a functional aerospike. I think the use of Hastelloy and possibly an electroplated layer of halfnium will provide the overall necessary thermal resilience to prevent a spike from melting, while additive manufacture of a very high surface area but thin external jacket of something like GRCop-84 to deal with heat transfer. New alloys like allite magnesium alloy can be used for any structural components that don't have to deal with heating over 1200C and they would greatly reduce the weight of any structural parts as allite is both substantially stronger and lighter than aerospace aluminum. I think it's really worth noting too that all of the most complete aerospike systems ever built were built using turbomachinery not actually designed specifically for their use, the J2 variant aerospikes used J2 plumbing and J2 turbomachinery, and actually performed significantly better than their converging/diverging counterparts in almost every way. The expander cycle can also solve the aerospike cooling issue but only for relatively low thrust engines between maybe 600-1000kN due to the inherent physics limit on hot gas generation imposed by nozzle surface area.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 21:08:28 No.11077747 Report

Quoted By: >>11077776

>>11077691
The latter.
>less than one percent of the people alive on Earth even knows about or remembers?
I guarantee a lot more westerners know about Tereskova than know about Leonov.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 21:15:41 No.11077776 Report

Quoted By: >>11077785 >>11077892

>>11077747
I think you just have confirmation bias. Even I forgot about Tereshkova and I spend a fair amount of time talking about space flight. Leonov may have been eclipsed by Neil Armstrong and a few other mostly American astronauts but he was probably the second most well known Russian cosmonaut, next to Yuri Gagarin, but he died young and that always adds extra fame.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 21:19:11 No.11077785 Report

Quoted By:

>>11077776
It's only creating a sample size of two here, but I also immediately recognize Leonov and Gagarin, but not Tereshkova.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 21:22:41 No.11077788 Report

Quoted By: >>11077806

>>11077699
>The expander cycle can also solve the aerospike cooling issue but only for relatively low thrust engines between maybe 600-1000kN due to the inherent physics limit on hot gas generation imposed by nozzle surface area.
This is only true for bell nozzles, eg in a bell nozzle the cross sectional area of the nozzle goes up faster than the surface area of the nozzle wall, such that eventually you need more thermal power than you can siphon out of the exhaust plume. His point in the video is that with aerospikes of every kind the maximum power limit of an expander cycle engine goes up substantially (more thermal energy available to the pump cycle), and also that in the case of a *linear* aerospike engine there is NO upper limit, because if you just make the engine wider the surface area available and the propellant mass required both go up at exactly the same rate, so you never run out of thermal power. The practical limit would of course be the point at which the engine was simply too wide to fit onto the rocket anymore.

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 21:25:47 No.11077797 Report

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 21:28:23 No.11077805 Report

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>>11074141
>>11074135
in america a lot of houses are built with wood like retards instead of brick and mortar like in superior Evropa

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 21:28:39 No.11077806 Report

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>>11077788
Ah I just went back over that segment and I think you're right. Neat, in that case at least if you're content with the efficiency of an expander cycle than you've effectively solved the primary issue of the aerospike and can turn your attention to TWR improvement through use of more optimized parts. Shame about truncated plug aerospikes, they've always been my favorite of the class, speaking of which, RIP firefly aerospike.

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 21:29:31 No.11077809 Report

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>>11077797
bruh that's lit

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 21:38:44 No.11077831 Report

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>>11077806
I feel like the only real niche for aerospikes would be for vehicles meant to operate on/around Titan, because the primary challenge in launching into orbit around Titan is actually the atmosphere pressure at the surface and the huge vertical extent of that atmosphere. However, the thing about titan is that it's actually possible to achieve Titan escape velocity by accelerating with air breathing ramjets (provided your vehicle is injecting both fuel and oxygen of course), and ramjets are actually about 5 times as efficient as even the best rockets, so the aerospike kinda gets brushed aside in terms of favorability anyway. Since jet engines can be used to literally yeet one's self onto an elliptical Saturn orbit with no rocket burns at all, you only need to consider rocket propulsion for pure vacuum, and in that case you're gonna pick a big old vacuum optimized bell nozzle because it's lighter and easier.

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 21:44:34 No.11077849 Report

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>>11077831
They can also double as a heat shield.

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 21:48:30 No.11077857 Report

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>>11077831
They solve the problem of needing multiple engines for any Earth launch, instead of having one vacuum optimized engine and one sea level engine in a TSTO for example, you just use common engines for every stage since they will always be operating pretty much as close as physically possible to the expansion ideal. It's true you can YOTE yourself from Titan with a ramjet, but you can't use a ramjet in space unless you carry a very heavy and overcomplicated hybrid turboram-rocket engine that can mode switch over to vacuum operation once you're out in space. Until we have a fully developed industrial base in or near the Jovian and Saturnine systems every trip there is going to require vacuum propulsion for the majority of the time as well. Speaking of which a nuclear aerospike might have some advantage too, insofar as you don't have to deal with combustion at all, you only need one brand of turbomachinery, and you're looking to wring as much efficiency out of the engine as possible so mitigating vacuum underexpansion will be valuable.

This is of course all assuming you don't use magnetoplasma rockets for trips everywhere except to LEO and possibly Luna, since given just a little more acceleration time MPDs outstrip every other drive in terms of flight time reduction, excepting of course the fusion torches, black hole drives, and the magical spacedrive.

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 21:59:37 No.11077872 Report

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>>11077805
If I was rich I'd build out of stone. Castles last bloody centuries

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 22:03:43 No.11077878 Report

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>>11077699
I was wondering whether something like the SABRE engine's super rapid cooling system might be employed in an aerospike

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 22:05:06 No.11077879 Report

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>>11077849
No they can't, bad meme

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 22:08:07 No.11077885 Report

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>>11077878
It uses liquid helium as a coolant if I'm not mistaken, but something like an expander cycle or perhaps even the full-flow-staged-combustion cycle can also solve that heating issue. Using a third gas as another stage in the cooling cycle would probably just weigh the rocket down, SABREs cooling manifold weighs more than a ton all on it's own I think.

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 22:10:07 No.11077887 Report

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>>11077857
Bruh, just carry an after-burning turbo-ramjet engine, like the SR-71 had, and rig it up to spray in oxygen alongside methane. Ramjets generate useful thrust all the way up to ~2500 m/s, so really the entire complex part of the engine with spinning turbines and shit is just how you take yourself from 0 speed on the ground to flying roughly mach 2, at which point you shut down the turbojet and accelerate to orbital speeds via ramjet alone. Nothing that complex about it really. Once actually in space you don't use the turbo-ramjet at all anymore, you use an entirely separate orbital propulsion system, for example two little methane expander cycle engines with high expansion ratios.

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 22:11:12 No.11077889 Report

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>>11077490
Cool, Skylon hanging on the bottom too

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 22:11:41 No.11077892 Report

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>>11077776
I think *you* have bias. Obviously everyone here is going to know more about Leonov than Tereshkova, I'm talking about the average casual on the street. What are you trying to claim here anyway? That The Soviets never put her in space purely for being a woman? That they never publicized the hell out of it? That NASA's plans isn't just a mere publicity stunt just like the soviet one was but rather has HAS to be linked to the coming SJW world order? Get a life dude.

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 22:13:18 No.11077895 Report

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>>11077885
SABRE uses cold helium to cool air, and it uses its liquid hydrogen fuel to cool the hot helium, forming a loop. The helium heat exchanger is basically just something to make people feel better about the engine, it isn't actually necessary, it's just that it was hard to convince people that running hundreds of kilograms of liquid hydrogen per minute through millions of tiny metal tubes to flash-cool dozens of tons of oxygenated air per minute was safe.

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 22:17:30 No.11077904 Report

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>>11077636
Yeah it was pretty good. We really need more anime about space there is too much fantasy.

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 22:26:14 No.11077929 Report

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>>11077879
What? I can't hear you over the awesomeness of the ROMBUS!

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 22:27:56 No.11077938 Report

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>>11077857
Unless you have a retard lightweight high density power source, MPD will remain a meme forever. You could potentially use solar film out to Mars though if you can figure out how to deploy acres of solar film without it ripping itself apart.

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 22:35:41 No.11077957 Report

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>>11076192
I imagine that it's like how a fetus forms: mother's circulatory system cares for a mostly hollow embryonic body that eventually builds its own systems

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 22:43:33 No.11077971 Report

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>>11077892
The average person on the street likely doesn't know who the fuck either of those people are and they're still more likely to know about Leonov. We can show this just looking at Google search results which indicates popularity, 8,000,000 for Leonov, 763,000 for Tereshkova.
>What are you trying to claim here anyway?
It was competition of the space race that made the Soviets highlight women in space so they could claim another first for their own. Americans did the same in order to show improvement. It had nothing to do with driving interest in their programs solely because of women.
>That NASA's plans isn't just a mere publicity stunt
That's exactly what it is, only a failed stunt that likely won't drive much interest because no one actually lives a fuck about the first whatever to do something unless it's the first human. Most people interested in the program are interested because of the science and the achievement, not because of token minorities.
> Get a life dude.
I've been nothing but civil to you despite your completely stupid point. Go consume your onions shake and prep the bull, faggot.

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 22:57:04 No.11078004 Report

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>>11077938
>Unless you have a retard lightweight high density power source.
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>>11077904
Cute and Funi.

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