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Anonymous Fri 18 Oct 10:09:06 2019 No.11069808 View Reply Original Report

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How to cure sleep apnea?
>inb4 cpap mask
no. Piece of shit has various negative side effects and does not address the root cause.

Why does 47% of the male population suffer from sleep apnea? Please. Help me cure this. I feel tired all the time, have constant brainfog, constantly forget what i am doing etc.

I spend 20-30% of my "sleep" awake...

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Oct 2019 10:22:04 No.11069820 Report

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>Why does 47% of the male population suffer from sleep apnea?

Obesity

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Oct 2019 10:26:47 No.11069829 Report

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>>11069808
suicide is the ultimate cure

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Oct 2019 10:28:08 No.11069830 Report

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How overweight are you?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Oct 2019 10:48:18 No.11069867 Report

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>>11069808
You can get an dental device. Covered by medical insurance as well.
Look up SomnoMed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Oct 2019 10:54:28 No.11069878 Report

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exercise for a couple of hours, you won't be able to stay awake

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Oct 2019 10:56:42 No.11069881 Report

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>>11069808
I used to get it when I was like 3 years old. They removed my tonsils and now I sleep like a rock.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Oct 2019 10:58:30 No.11069885 Report

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>>11069830
im not. I go on a run every day and lift weights every other day.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Oct 2019 10:59:01 No.11069886 Report

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>>11069881
how where you diagnosed? How did they know it was the tonsils?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Oct 2019 11:36:40 No.11069929 Report

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>>11069820
My father is skinny as hell and he has apnea like you wouldnt believe.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Oct 2019 12:11:54 No.11069985 Report

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A few weeks ago I read in one of these depression threads that forward neck posture might contribute to sleep apnea. Not sure of the validity of this, but that stuff impairs blood flow to the brain, so if you've got it you should do something about it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Oct 2019 12:15:48 No.11069989 Report

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Sleep on your side.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Oct 2019 12:42:43 No.11070038 Report

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>>11069808
Sleep on your back with your mouth open and relaxed with no more than a single pillow.

>t. Past Apnea Fag

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Oct 2019 12:44:11 No.11070040 Report

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>>11069867
Do not do this. These devices are well-known to cause jaw pain and headaches.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Oct 2019 12:57:28 No.11070078 Report

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>>11070040
Sleeping with your mouth open dries out your mouth which is bad for oral health. Some sources even claim it decreases oxygen intake.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Oct 2019 13:05:59 No.11070096 Report

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But if it clears up the sleep apnea, its obviously an improvement.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Oct 2019 13:13:46 No.11070110 Report

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>>11070078
Brush your teeth and do you really believe sources that tell you breathing through your mouth decreases oxygen. I just want to make sure that you're somebody with free thought before we do this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Oct 2019 13:16:54 No.11070116 Report

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>>11069808
Can't you just get an operation to cut a wider passage?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Oct 2019 13:19:50 No.11070122 Report

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>>11070078
Isn’t that a good thing?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Oct 2019 13:34:36 No.11070152 Report

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>>11070110
>do you really believe sources that tell you breathing through your mouth decreases oxygen.
I do not believe them blindly, but I do not blindly dismiss them either. In fact, none of us has provided any sources for our claims. I am looking through PubMed right now and I am struggling to find sources on the oxygen issue. I have no problems admitting that my sources might have been shady. If you do a quick google search you will find them.
>Brush your teeth
Legitimately good advice though mouth breathing undoubtedly does contribute to dry mouth.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Oct 2019 13:47:38 No.11070203 Report

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http://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/sleep-apnea-takes-a-toll-on-brain-function

Just take a GABA agonist for Jesus"the Memra" Christ almighty on a throne's sake.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Oct 2019 13:47:49 No.11070205 Report

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>>11070122
>Mouth breathing good
>Dry mouth good

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mouth_breathing#Potential_effects
>Gingivitis,[6]:85 gingival enlargement,[6]:85 and increased levels of dental plaque[6]:108 are common in persons who chronically breathe through their mouths. The usual effect on the gums is sharply confined to the anterior maxillary region, especially the incisors (the upper teeth at the front). The appearance is erythematous (red), edematous (swollen) and shiny. This region receives the greatest exposure to airflow during mouth breathing, and it is thought that the inflammation and irritation is related to surface dehydration, but in animal experimentation, repeated air drying of the gums did not create such an appearance.[6]:85

>It has been suggested that chronic mouth breathing in children can lead to the development of a long, narrow face, sometimes termed long face syndrome, when the mouth breathing is related to adenoid hypertrophy. Malocclusion of the teeth (e.g., crowded teeth) is also suggested to result from chronic mouth breathing in children. Conversely, it has been suggested that a long thin face type, with corresponding thin nasopharyngeal airway, predisposes to nasal obstruction and mouthbreathing,[1] i.e., a long thin face may cause mouth breathing rather than the other way around. Facial form is also strongly influenced by genetic factors.

>The following other conditions are also associated with mouth breathing: cheilitis glandularis,[5]:490 Down syndrome,[7]:365 anterior open bite,[6]:225 tongue thrusting habit,[6]:225 cerebral palsy,[8]:422 sleep apnea, and snoring.

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Anonymous Fri 18 Oct 2019 13:54:04 No.11070229 Report

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>>11070122
You sure about that?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Oct 2019 14:18:23 No.11070315 Report

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>>11069808
Tape your mouth shut while you are sleeping.

Sounds crazy but it works. After you do it for a month or two, your body will adjust to always breathing through the nose while sleeping, so you can stop using the tape.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Oct 2019 15:47:09 No.11070664 Report

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>>11070315
i dont think the issue is mouth breathing.

I have found a few tudies that say throat exercise as well as aerobic exercise both reduce apnea significantly. (throat exercise reduce by 37% and aerobic by about 20%) - But these studies have small sample sizes and I have been going on a run every day now for about a week as well as throat exercises and noticed no significant improvement.

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Anonymous Fri 18 Oct 2019 15:58:09 No.11070682 Report

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>>11069808
It’s being a worked slave that causes it primarily. Women are treated MUCH better than men in any workplace so they are much less likely to develop it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Oct 2019 16:00:17 No.11070686 Report

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>>11070664
It is mouth breathing.
You can't snore when you are breathing through your nose.

Breath through the nose, no snore, no apnea.

Sure you can try to fuck around with your throat size, im not saying those kinds of interventions don't work.

But you also can just put a piece of tape on your mouth and cure yourself overnight.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Oct 2019 16:03:53 No.11070695 Report

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>>11069808
Overweight?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Oct 2019 16:51:51 No.11070792 Report

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>>11070686
Ok I will try this tonight. If the thread is still alive ill report results. Though I dont snore.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Oct 2019 16:52:42 No.11070795 Report

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>>11070695
no. Read the thread, I do regular exercise. My heart rate is 57 resting i'm 18yo and blood pressure is also below average.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Oct 2019 16:55:47 No.11070802 Report

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My family's males suffer a lot of apnea.
I installed this app called "Sleep" in my phone, and when set at night, it makes a noise to condition you to stop snoring when it detects it happens, making you improve your throat/larinx habits and position. My snoring is 80-90% over, even some nights I don't have any snoring at all. With time you get used to it and doesn't mess your sleeping pattern, also has other functions to improve your sleeping overall. My wife doesn't likes it as much, she says she prefers my snoring to the sound bit, cute but no, I don't want to end like my dad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Oct 2019 16:59:14 No.11070814 Report

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>>11070802
Why not wear a wireless ear bud so she doesn’t have to be woken too?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Oct 2019 17:11:28 No.11070864 Report

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>>11070814
Wearing earplugs for hours, specially daily, is a cause for ear infection, even if you disinfect the plugs regularly, has to do with abnornal warmth and humidity in the human ear. It's listed as a occupational hazard for those jobs that use earplugs and/or headphones for hours on a row. Also I don't let my wife to dictate me what to do, she's cute and I love her, but I'm smarter than her. She's been nagging me less about the sound bit, I'd guess she got used to it too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Oct 2019 17:13:00 No.11070869 Report

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>>11069808
I have braces that force my lower jaw forward. It reduces my apnea by about 80%

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Anonymous Fri 18 Oct 2019 17:17:53 No.11070883 Report

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<-- Do this for 20 mins every day

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Anonymous Fri 18 Oct 2019 17:39:19 No.11070937 Report

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>>11070883
meme? Or because it exercises the muscles in the upper airway?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Oct 2019 17:40:01 No.11070938 Report

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>>11070869
do you need a prescription/professional to do this or can you just buy one off amazon for example?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Oct 2019 17:59:06 No.11070995 Report

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>>11070937

Yes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Oct 2019 19:43:35 No.11071266 Report

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eat shit and die
Alternatively, snoring only happens when breathing through your mouth.
Brush your teeth, tape your mouth shut and hope not to die.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 05:40:28 No.11072671 Report

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>>11069808
Do yoga.
t. wizard

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 06:19:36 No.11072759 Report

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cbd gummy worms. it works prefectly. i wake up wanting to go back to sleep it works so good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 07:21:35 No.11072905 Report

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>>11072671
Will try this also

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 20:10:08 No.11074353 Report

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What is the best way to test if you have sleep apnea for cheap at home? Here's my suggestions so far

- Oximeter that records levels through the whole night, but I can seem to find any under 100 bucks.
- Recording yourself with infrared camera and sound.
- That "Sleep" app discussed earlier in thread.
- Recording sound alone. Faint continuous breathing sound good, snoring and choking bad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 20:12:37 No.11074363 Report

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I have a few of the symptoms, but not sure if it is simply that I am a depressed inactive slob with fucked up sleeping shedule.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 20:14:09 No.11074371 Report

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Could try sleeping in a recliner. The problem is that for one reason or another during sleep your throat relaxes and in sleep apnea, this collapse is too much and it blocks off airflow temporarily. The cpap mask is designed to force the airway open with positive pressure. The bipap does the same thing but it also creates less pressure on exhale, which makes using it feel a little less like waterboarding(feeling resistance on exhale is extremely discomforting). Sleeping in a recliner can also keep the airway open, by basically keeping you somewhat upright in the first place.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 21:15:51 No.11074559 Report

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>>11074353
I diagnosed myself with a fitbit. I know its not very scientific but I can see periods where i wake up like 30 times an hour and also have all the symptoms of sleep apnea.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 21:20:43 No.11074566 Report

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>>11074371
>Could try sleeping in a recliner.
doesnt this have adverse effects on bloodflow? And again, that is not addressing the root cause. Forcing air through your airway is also obviously not healthy to do either and also does not address the root cause.

So far I have tried;
Running every day
Throat exercises
Improving diet (cut out 90% of carbs and refined sugar, all home cooked meals, lots of vegetables and fish etc.)

I found running to have a somewhat positive effect on my sleep cycles but no significant (although slight) improvement on AHI.
The throat exercises actually made it worse (though I may have overtrained my neck and this was just a result of muscle fatigue making AHI worse from said training)
The diet improved my day time symptoms and lifted my mood noticeably but did not improve AHI.

So now I am onto trying Yoga and meditation + all of the above.
Will report back and see if any immediate effects on tonights sleep (done 1 hour of yoga in two sessions and 1 hour of meditation + a swim, diet etc.)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 21:22:08 No.11074568 Report

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>>11074566

You need to go get sleep study to find out EXACTLY what kind of sleep apnea you've got. They'll be able to figure out what your particular dysfunction is - and there are multiple possible causes.

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Anonymous Sat 19 Oct 2019 21:55:44 No.11074662 Report

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>>11069808
>Why does 47% of the male population suffer from sleep apnea?
They don't. Modern medicine is primarily based on fad "epidemics". A few decades ago, the industry realized that the best way to make money was not to market drugs to patients but to market diseases to doctors. Many new "conditions" are result of dubious clinical trials and statistical sleight of hand. Once a disease has been "established" (read: marketed) treatments are prescribed ad nausem. Suddenly the whole country as "ADHD" or "Bipolar Disorder" or in this case "Sleep Apnea". I'm sure there are some people who do have a respiratory related sleep problem, but it is few and far between. Most people diagnosed sleep apnea probably have one of myriad sleep problems that is misunderstood as an another example of the current fad. This is all laid out pretty well in David Healy's book: Pharmegeddon. In my opinion, the only reason this stuff is not more well known is that it is so embarrassing to the medical field. The average doctor's ego can't handle it.

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 04:16:40 No.11075544 Report

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>>11074559
>fitbit
Never heard of that. Very interesting. What do you measure with it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2019 13:26:10 No.11076548 Report

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>>11074568
ok i will.

>>11074566
day 1 of yoga and meditation; no noticeable improvement.

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