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Anonymous Tue 30 Jul 04:43:14 2019 No.10848300 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>10848353 >>10848359 >>10848417 >>10848435

Has western society become more infantile and youth centric, or is this guy full of shit?
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Jacopo_Bernardini3/publication/295704058_The_Postmodern_Infantilization_of_the_Media/links/56ccac9208ae4d8d6496b7b1.pdf

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Anonymous Tue 30 Jul 2019 04:51:15 No.10848315 Report

Quoted By: >>10848380

What do you think?

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Anonymous Tue 30 Jul 2019 04:54:25 No.10848322 Report

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Obviously

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Anonymous Tue 30 Jul 2019 05:14:46 No.10848353 Report

Quoted By: >>10848361

>>10848300
the guy is wrong only in that the underlying change happened way earlier than he thinks; this is the culmination of a long trend, not something that started in the early 2000s. recommended reading: The Culture Of Narcissism, by Christopher Lasch

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Jul 2019 05:20:14 No.10848359 Report

Quoted By: >>10848370

>>10848300
I blame the internet and video games. People have more entertainment than they did in the past. In the past people had kids because why not? What else are you gonna spend your time on? Today there are more things to occupy our time.

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Anonymous Tue 30 Jul 2019 05:22:26 No.10848361 Report

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>>10848353
You're right. This is an at least century-long trend. And what's happening now is just the logical conclusion.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Jul 2019 05:26:43 No.10848370 Report

Quoted By: >>10848371

>>10848359
>In the past people had kids because why not? What else are you gonna spend your time on?
do you really think this is why adults have children...?

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Anonymous Tue 30 Jul 2019 05:27:39 No.10848371 Report

Quoted By: >>10848381

>>10848370
When they had condoms and the pill since the 70s, yeah

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Anonymous Tue 30 Jul 2019 05:33:38 No.10848380 Report

Quoted By: >>10848387

>>10848315
I generally agree, but his evidence is underwhelming or not very rigorous. I'm basically agreeing based on personal experience at this point.

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Anonymous Tue 30 Jul 2019 05:33:51 No.10848381 Report

Quoted By: >>10848394 >>10848418

>>10848371
I'll go ahead and flat out tell you, people don't have children to fulfill an 18+ year boredom in their lives.

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Anonymous Tue 30 Jul 2019 05:37:33 No.10848387 Report

Quoted By: >>10848397

>>10848380
Jean Twenge's evidence is pretty rigorous, and she was able to pretty convincingly correlate phone/tech use to the rise of suicide, anxiety and other mental health issues among young people.

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Anonymous Tue 30 Jul 2019 05:40:28 No.10848394 Report

Quoted By: >>10848405

>>10848381
So they're just stupid? Having kids on accident when there are contraceptives?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Jul 2019 05:41:38 No.10848397 Report

Quoted By: >>10848407

>>10848387
Not to be rude but can you instead cite the evidence relevant to the topic instead of bringing up some tangential point?

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Anonymous Tue 30 Jul 2019 05:43:24 No.10848401 Report

Quoted By: >>10848438

I can't imagine liking dumbass kids movies and tv shows at the advanced age of 30+. At 25 you still have an excuse: you're on the doorstep between childhood and adulthood. It's understandable to still like mindless entertainment at that age, as I did. But past that? You have no excuses left.

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Anonymous Tue 30 Jul 2019 05:45:19 No.10848405 Report

Quoted By: >>10848412

>>10848394
Honestly, yea. a large portion of pregnancies are accidental. statistically few are actually sought after/planned.
Do you know how few people use contraceptives? Even smart people, like really smart friends of mine have been in situations where they make stupid mistakes that could easily have cost them. Emotions really do trump reason when a chick really wants to fuck you...
another hidden gem? most parents realllllly wish they werent parents (a function of those unplanned pregnancies). they'll never admit it though.

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Anonymous Tue 30 Jul 2019 05:45:35 No.10848407 Report

Quoted By: >>10848414

>>10848397
I just think it's sad that there are still people who don't know about her famous research. How could you not know about it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Jul 2019 05:49:57 No.10848412 Report

Quoted By: >>10848420

>>10848405
>really smart friends of mine have been in situations where they make stupid mistakes that could easily have cost them
Then they're not smart. I knew a guy in HVAC that seemed mechanically pretty smart. Wiring diagrams and whatnot. Then I found out he did meth in the past.

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Anonymous Tue 30 Jul 2019 05:50:05 No.10848414 Report

Quoted By: >>10848416

>>10848407
because psychologists are not scientists.

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Anonymous Tue 30 Jul 2019 05:51:03 No.10848416 Report

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>>10848414
Psychologists are like broken clocks. They're right twice a day. And she just happens to be.

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Anonymous Tue 30 Jul 2019 05:52:30 No.10848417 Report

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>>10848300
I can’t take it serious because it uses the word "postmodern" in a scientific context/non Art context

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Anonymous Tue 30 Jul 2019 05:52:55 No.10848418 Report

Quoted By: >>10848423

>>10848381
Most people don't think this autistically. When most people want kids, it means in the current moment they want a kid, and that current moment has lasted some time. No where in this thought process do most people consider an 18 year plan, and throw the hedonism of sex in there and its not hard to see I am right about this.

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Anonymous Tue 30 Jul 2019 05:53:39 No.10848420 Report

Quoted By: >>10848432

>>10848412
Being smart isnt that binary though. Intelligent people are capable of making mistakes, doing unintelligent things. It's whether or not they learn from an experience really. Also about relative risks and other things like that. Like i said, even the most ration and intelligent of people can lose that fact in an emotionally charged situation. It's one of humanities greatest weaknesses, that emotions actually are capable of overcoming rationality. It normally doesnt matter, since most people are not really rational but more emotional to begin with.
Plenty of really brilliant people have done drugs as well, that's not really an intelligence call. I could argue using drugs responsibly is a sign of intelligence, as it shows really acute learning in order to not become addicted and have it consume your life, yet still extract the good that drugs provide (usually feeling good physiologically). Also a fair bit of scientific innovation can be attributed to drugs, PCR thought of on an acid trip being a great example

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Anonymous Tue 30 Jul 2019 05:55:02 No.10848423 Report

Quoted By: >>10848443

>>10848418
>Most people don't think this autistically
true. which is why ive never personally been in a position where there may have been a mystery child of mine out there. Even in the most emotional situations ill fucking wear a condom because that weird fear is always there for me. But i dont really like children

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Anonymous Tue 30 Jul 2019 05:58:52 No.10848432 Report

Quoted By: >>10848442

>>10848420
The pfc controls emotions. If you can't your pfc is small and weak. More specifically the orbitofrontal cortex. Spatial intelligence is controlled by the parietal lobe and is relatively unrelated.

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Anonymous Tue 30 Jul 2019 06:00:11 No.10848435 Report

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>>10848300
>Brave New World
>characters admonished for not being immature
>Aleister Crowley
>in 1905 saw the 20th century as an age of fire welcoming the crowned and conquering Child
People have been watching this happen for longer than you think. Just remember it the next time you're asked which side of an insipid debate you're on in order to key up your emotions for the next ad you see.

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Anonymous Tue 30 Jul 2019 06:02:23 No.10848438 Report

Quoted By: >>10848447

>>10848401
>At 25 you still have an excuse: you're on the doorstep between childhood and adulthood
My grandmother was 38 when i was born. My grandfather smoked as he walked dogs for pennies before school when he was seven. If you think 25 is still time to play with action figures even as a joke then you're too far gone to convince about this.

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Anonymous Tue 30 Jul 2019 06:03:56 No.10848442 Report

Quoted By: >>10848446

>>10848432
this is so generalized and wrong it's honestly not worth refuting. Pic related, I took that picture. What else is on your list of things that automatically make someone unintelligent according to you? now im just curious.
also, HVAC? that dude was never intelligent lel

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Anonymous Tue 30 Jul 2019 06:04:14 No.10848443 Report

Quoted By: >>10848448

>>10848423
>implying condoms are a great prophylaxis
across populations, about 70% effective. You sure about not wanting kids? Then don't have sex.

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Anonymous Tue 30 Jul 2019 06:05:08 No.10848446 Report

Quoted By: >>10848455

>>10848442
The orbitofrontal cortex does not evaluate and inhibit unwanted emotions?

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Anonymous Tue 30 Jul 2019 06:05:40 No.10848447 Report

Quoted By: >>10848453

>>10848438
25 is the age when the brain full-stop stops developing. Our forefathers lived in a much more harsh environment than we did, and so were forced to mature early. 25 is just the brain age beyond which your personality no longer undergoes any further changes. That's all I'm saying with that. Some say that you only become a real adult at 30.

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Anonymous Tue 30 Jul 2019 06:06:08 No.10848448 Report

Quoted By: >>10848459

>>10848443
well anyone who cums balls deep wearing a condom is also retarded. Pullout + condom is damn effective though. You're right though, the condom is more effective at stopping disease transmission than as a prophylaxis

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Anonymous Tue 30 Jul 2019 06:07:51 No.10848453 Report

Quoted By: >>10848466

>>10848447
I don't think there's any 'real adult' line. It's obvious that retaining childlike characteristics is desirable, while retaining childISH behaviours means you'll probably be a burden to the people around you. Some say you're not an adult, or free in any way until your parents are dead.

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Anonymous Tue 30 Jul 2019 06:08:55 No.10848455 Report

Quoted By: >>10848468 >>10848469

>>10848446
Things are not that binary to be able to say that "oh because you did action x automatically this is due to an underdevelopment of part of brain x". the whole process of how the brain transduces sensory input and vice versa, how the brain affects mental output is not understood well at all.

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Anonymous Tue 30 Jul 2019 06:09:50 No.10848459 Report

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>>10848448
It's not even that great for STDs. Partly because using a condom requires a braincell. That's why HPV vaccinations are done in high schools now, infections have almost disappeared in the last 20 years, which will affect cervical cancer stats in the next 30.

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Anonymous Tue 30 Jul 2019 06:11:18 No.10848466 Report

Quoted By: >>10848474

>>10848453
The psychoanalytic truth of it is that we all carry our child selves deep within us, even as our adult characteristics accrue on top over the years. It's just that these days we don't have to camouflage the child within as direly as we used to.

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Anonymous Tue 30 Jul 2019 06:12:04 No.10848468 Report

Quoted By: >>10848474 >>10848484

>>10848455
People with ocd have smaller ofc. Damage reduces ability to recognize paux pas. Phineas gage.

I'm pretty sure people who use retarded drugs like meth have dumber brains.

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Anonymous Tue 30 Jul 2019 06:12:13 No.10848469 Report

Quoted By: >>10848484

>>10848455
This. We're making the best use of brain imaging we can but have to be wary of quick conclusions. Descartes thought of the mind as a series of pumps, psychology until the 60s was still using terms like pressure, venting and current, now people can't shake off the information processor model.

From an engineering point of view the brain is a reciever, the self is still a mystery.

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Anonymous Tue 30 Jul 2019 06:13:29 No.10848474 Report

Quoted By: >>10848476

>>10848466
Yeah, pretty much.
>>10848468
>dumber brains
whoa whoa whoa hold it with the technical lingo there, Poindexter.

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Anonymous Tue 30 Jul 2019 06:14:07 No.10848476 Report

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>>10848474
Not an argument lel

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Anonymous Tue 30 Jul 2019 06:17:57 No.10848484 Report

Quoted By: >>10848486

>>10848468
>I'm pretty sure people who use retarded drugs like meth have dumber brains.
well that's likely a side affect of being super dehydrated all the time from the meth. Also that extra methyl group is pretty bad for your sigma receptors. But i remember when they said mdma caused holes in the brain, turns out those cavities were due to dehydration.
>>10848469
yea, it annoys me how much people simplify this on /sci/ but whatever, i dont come here to correct people except when im drunk

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Anonymous Tue 30 Jul 2019 06:19:29 No.10848486 Report

Quoted By: >>10848493

>>10848484
>wanna try some meth
>yeah, that sounds like a great idea
Not stupid at all.

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Anonymous Tue 30 Jul 2019 06:22:21 No.10848493 Report

Quoted By: >>10848498

>>10848486
I mean, that's not what I said and you know it. I'm far too established in academia to worry about your opinion, PLENTY of people in graduate school and even professors do drugs occasionally. Usually not meth, heroin, opium, or other harder drugs, but exceptions do exist.

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Anonymous Tue 30 Jul 2019 06:25:57 No.10848498 Report

Quoted By: >>10848505 >>10848550

>>10848493
You don't have to be smart to do well in school. You just have to work hard. Any normie can get a degree if they just do their work. Point is if you do hard drugs, or get pregnant on accident you're retarded. Since that's what started this whole thing.

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Anonymous Tue 30 Jul 2019 06:29:43 No.10848505 Report

Quoted By: >>10848513 >>10848559

>>10848498
Life is gonna hit you hard anon. The sooner you realize things are not binary the quicker you'll mature.
Luckily I happened to work hard and be smart. AND have the ability to use drugs regularly and responsibly. Seems weird to me to have the mentality that those things are not compatible, inherently.

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Anonymous Tue 30 Jul 2019 06:32:16 No.10848513 Report

Quoted By: >>10848523

>>10848505
I assume you're not doing heroin and coke. Let's just agree to disagree. Also, marshmallow test.

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Anonymous Tue 30 Jul 2019 06:38:26 No.10848523 Report

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>>10848513
>marshmallow test
Im thinking the equivalent to eating the marshmallow here is just getting lost in drugs, succumbing to the hedonistic aspect of them and neglecting your life. Delaying drug use until appropriate times where it is responsible, ie doesnt risk your work or bodily harm would be not eating the marshmallow.
>coke
I actually know a few grad students who do cocaine, but even with as powerful as coke is, they limit themselves to just weekend partying. That being said, I have no idea if they do it regularly, but affording that on their stipend is impossible

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Anonymous Tue 30 Jul 2019 06:50:14 No.10848550 Report

Quoted By: >>10848561

>>10848498
>Point is if you do hard drugs, or get pregnant on accident you're retarded
That 'retarded' word sounds more like your value judgement than any measurable assessment of anything. People use hard drugs for other reasons than being of low intelligence. I've found that poors seem to go for things like meth, coke, mdma, anything 'up' while middle classes go for pot, alcohol, sedatives and opiates.

Of course, poors get more totally scarified by drug use due not to low intelligence but lack of support structures. Being cared for and driven to rehab or even allowed to sleep on a car seat on someone's porch while you get your shit together can make or break someone. The same person being called retarded and sent away might go through the floor.

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Anonymous Tue 30 Jul 2019 06:53:44 No.10848559 Report

Quoted By: >>10848582

>>10848505
>the mentality that those things are not compatible
>drug users are dumb
>poor people are lazy
>people who disagree with me politically are destroying the world
NPC worldview pack, makes life simple, but being unexamined, not worth living. Only incompatible with ethics.

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Anonymous Tue 30 Jul 2019 06:54:07 No.10848561 Report

Quoted By: >>10848576 >>10848586

>>10848550
rich niggas sniff coke and do molly tho

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Anonymous Tue 30 Jul 2019 07:04:59 No.10848576 Report

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>>10848561
You don't have to be smart to be rich though. Like athletes.

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Anonymous Tue 30 Jul 2019 07:06:59 No.10848582 Report

Quoted By: >>10848587

>>10848559
not that same guy. either way, not an argument. The people who teach you get wasted on weekends and do coke and psychedelics. We're people too, just smarter about it to the point we survived the career climb

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Anonymous Tue 30 Jul 2019 07:08:55 No.10848586 Report

Quoted By: >>10848587

>>10848561
yeah everybody does everything but generally different socio-economic levels go for different stuff due to different needs. The rich can get away with a lot, the middle can function for years with addiction, but poors fuck up their families, health, job and finances hard as well as their chances at recovery.

The ones that are helpless at every level are the narcissists/sociopaths who are "sure they know what they're doing". You can spot them by talking to them for 5 minutes. They don't listen, they got this. They not only bee-line to an early grave they also mess up people around them. I think hedonism is okay, but the essentially selfish are just balls of burning trash once they get a powerful addiction.

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Anonymous Tue 30 Jul 2019 07:11:09 No.10848587 Report

Quoted By: >>10848590

>>10848582
i was describing his worldview, not yours. Just because you haven't fucked your life up YET doesn't mean you won't. See >>10848586

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Anonymous Tue 30 Jul 2019 07:14:29 No.10848590 Report

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>>10848587
I fucked up the last ten years of my life shitposting my life away. Get out while you still can

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