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Anonymous Thu 25 Jul 19:51:10 2019 No.10836303 View Reply Original Report

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140iq potential schizo here.

recently have been obsessed with the esoteric/occult and general paranormal /x/ tier shit. been trying to entertain the ideas and concepts in a scientific manner but now feel as if I've gone too deep and may have made myself into a crazy.

how do I get back into science?

pic somewhat related I suppose

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Anonymous Thu 25 Jul 2019 20:05:36 No.10836326 Report

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>>10836303
>how do I get back into science?
You can't because you were never into science. If you were, you'd automatically resist bullshit.

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Anonymous Thu 25 Jul 2019 20:15:55 No.10836351 Report

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>>10836326

most things would be considered magic before they were considered science, the unknown is what perpetuates discovery

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Anonymous Thu 25 Jul 2019 20:17:05 No.10836352 Report

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>>>/adv/
Also see the /sci/ wiki.
Next.

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Anonymous Thu 25 Jul 2019 20:59:58 No.10836463 Report

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>>10836303
Stay away from 4chan since the rest of the charlatans and mentally ill people on here will gladly reinforce your delusions until you're completely dysfunctional or dead.
I don't say this as a funny haha 4chan is so wacky and stupid XD thing but as a genuine warning

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Anonymous Thu 25 Jul 2019 21:05:27 No.10836478 Report

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>>10836303
pick up a maths work book or physics textbook and just read and answer the problem sets

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Anonymous Thu 25 Jul 2019 21:09:06 No.10836483 Report

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>>10836303
>140iq
>recently have been obsessed
Pick one. High iq people dont get obsessed with retard /x/ nonsense. Only brainlets.

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Anonymous Thu 25 Jul 2019 21:16:13 No.10836499 Report

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>>10836303
Check out Tom Campbell.
This is interesting if true, and he shows signs of schizophrenia as well (regarding the "scripted people" AKA NPCs on the 'chan).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8_i9-EfSWA

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Anonymous Thu 25 Jul 2019 21:18:09 No.10836506 Report

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>>10836303
It takes a very smart person to understand science

It takes an even smarter person to understand the limitations of science

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Anonymous Thu 25 Jul 2019 21:30:14 No.10836535 Report

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i once called my mother 2 am, she always sleeps at around 23pm. it was an important call. she put up the phone literally in one second. she woke up and went to her phone and exactly this second i called her. i don't even know why she went to the phone before i called but she did.
how do you explain that?

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Anonymous Thu 25 Jul 2019 21:35:30 No.10836541 Report

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Magic and the occult are just in your head, but that doesn't mean it's not real.
https://www.reddit.com/r/sorceryofthespectacle

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Anonymous Thu 25 Jul 2019 21:37:47 No.10836549 Report

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>>10836499
sometimes i feel like there's a connection between brains in the world. i got an esoteric idea, i give an example (game rendering only what camera sees), and i propose a test to proof it. after years i see some people get the exact idea, found the exact examples, and proposed the exact tests.

i am 100% sure that i never heard of it before, i program games and my example was from my own rts game.

that's the paper i'm talking about.

this happened to me before about t'hooft's essay on AI, same ideas and same examples. that's really weird how around the same time people other side of the world can have exact same idea as you.

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Anonymous Thu 25 Jul 2019 21:38:49 No.10836553 Report

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>>10836549
>that's the paper i'm talking about.
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1703.00058.pdf

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Anonymous Thu 25 Jul 2019 21:40:36 No.10836557 Report

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Go see a doctor immediately. Not even joking this shit happened to me when i was in a manic phase. I ruined too many relationships and jobs. Please go to a psychiatrist. They aren’t trying to trick you. Don’t listen to your paranoia. Tell them you need your mood stabilized that you feel anxiety and paranoia. You can’t live like this man.

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Anonymous Thu 25 Jul 2019 21:41:31 No.10836560 Report

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>>10836303
One can still study the esoteric, while keeping a foot in the sciences. Just be yourself OP.

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Anonymous Thu 25 Jul 2019 21:44:59 No.10836570 Report

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If the occult is bullshit, then why is the world ruled by dark occultists and not by scientists?

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Anonymous Thu 25 Jul 2019 21:47:42 No.10836579 Report

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OP you sound almost exactly like a guy I knew in college
http://archive.4plebs.org/x/search/username/christian%20druid/
https://www.masslive.com/news/2018/06/former_umass_student_falls_to.html
Unironically get help before you're beyond help

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Anonymous Thu 25 Jul 2019 21:52:17 No.10836592 Report

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>>10836570
Mature scientist are able to study the occult.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Jul 2019 21:55:19 No.10836601 Report

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>>10836303

How your IQ has anything to do with your interests?

Anyway. Science is the application of the scientific method (Basically: Make hypothesis, Collect Data, Analyse Data, Reach Conclusions, See if conclusions fit the hypothesis). More often than not science requires physical evidence to prove or disprove an hypothesis and make you results replicable. If others cannot replicate your results you cannot know if you are close to the truth or not, you are only left with assumptions and possibly wrong ideas.

Si if you want to go back to science try to follow the scientific method to your experiments, preferably using statistical methods and double blind studies.

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Anonymous Thu 25 Jul 2019 22:06:47 No.10836630 Report

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>>10836549
>sometimes i feel like there's a connection between brains in the world
There are. Your brain consists of atoms that has been in other people's brains (and gonads!) previously.
Your DNA only differs a tiny bit from other humans' and your needs, wants and wishes are very much the same.
We all come from the same source.
Entanglement IS a thing.

Seek help if you can't manage your life as you want or pose some risk of danger to others or yourself.
Don't get impatient just because you think you are some grand truth on the track, life is meant to be lived and a shift of perspective can come from the most unexpected way.

Take care!

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Anonymous Thu 25 Jul 2019 22:11:29 No.10836644 Report

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>>10836630
i'm not the OP but thanks anyway.

it's just weird that you have the exact same idea with someone across the world, even give the exact same examples.

there are billions of people, i suppose it's quite possible, but still it's weird.

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Anonymous Thu 25 Jul 2019 22:39:43 No.10836740 Report

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>>10836644
Sure, it's frustrating if there's something you really want for yourself as the result. Collaboration can sometimes be possible.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_multiple_discoveries

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wY7s8K99bxA

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Anonymous Thu 25 Jul 2019 22:48:13 No.10836758 Report

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>>10836303
>recently have been obsessed with the esoteric/oc

Simple.
Magic and to occult simply means to magnify and hide.
Science is empirical knowledge based on strict logic.

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Anonymous Thu 25 Jul 2019 22:52:12 No.10836767 Report

Quoted By: >>10836793

>Science is empirical knowledge based on strict logic.

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Anonymous Thu 25 Jul 2019 23:00:17 No.10836780 Report

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>>10836549
Human brains all work the same way and we share a body of information that keeps evolving as it's developed and transmitted from generation to generation. When you see it that way, it's not that weird that the same ideas can emerge at roughly the same time independently without there being a metaphysical connection between brains. The connection between brains is real, but it's the distribution of information in human social networks

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Anonymous Thu 25 Jul 2019 23:10:10 No.10836793 Report

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>>10836767
>le ebin fedora memes
lol schizo

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Anonymous Fri 26 Jul 2019 08:30:18 No.10838027 Report

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the trivium by sister miriam joseph

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Anonymous Fri 26 Jul 2019 08:35:30 No.10838036 Report

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>>10836303
mathtutordvd

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Anonymous Fri 26 Jul 2019 08:41:49 No.10838051 Report

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suck my pp OP and i'll show you a magic trick

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Anonymous Fri 26 Jul 2019 09:13:46 No.10838091 Report

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>>10836303
Read philosophy and begin using your insane intuition to reason about reality from an axiomatic framework. It's hard to believe in bullshit when you're logical.

>>10836326
Not exactly true. He just lacks sound foundations.

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Anonymous Fri 26 Jul 2019 09:33:00 No.10838111 Report

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>>10836352
as if people can resist the bait

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Anonymous Fri 26 Jul 2019 09:51:06 No.10838127 Report

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>>10836758
Magic is based on what? Loose logic?

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Anonymous Fri 26 Jul 2019 09:57:21 No.10838137 Report

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>>10836601
>Science is the application of the scientific method (Basically: Make hypothesis, Collect Data, Analyse Data, Reach Conclusions, See if conclusions fit the hypothesis).
but you don't do that in college. Instead you listen to an old man opening your mind to new symbols and scientific frameworks of thinking/worldview based on materialism and the mechanical behavior of nature

Playing with diff equations in paper is a secularized occult practice. Before the scientific revolution in the XVII magick was indistinct from Science. Science is a sophisticated approach to reality based on hard math. But in many ways is similar to other religions from a psychological point of view.

Science is esoteric.

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Anonymous Fri 26 Jul 2019 10:01:31 No.10838143 Report

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This is how an alchemist looks like. His name is Isaac Newton.
>likes occult knowledge
>hates fedora skeptical fags
Be like Newton, embrace the occult.

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Anonymous Fri 26 Jul 2019 10:09:50 No.10838152 Report

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what an useful equation for my gases!
It was confirmed by Robert Boyle, another alchemist.
It can't be possible! My fellow atheists said alchemists were stupid and couldn't discover a thing.

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Anonymous Fri 26 Jul 2019 10:18:31 No.10838162 Report

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>>10838143
This guy literally created laws that are holding back science.

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Anonymous Fri 26 Jul 2019 10:34:38 No.10838178 Report

Quoted By: >>10838194

The occult and science share many traits.
>"Available only to the initiate; secret or mysterious: synonym: mysterious."
>" Beyond the realm of human comprehension; inscrutable"

But the KEY difference is the very foundation of scientific thought.
That key is experiment.

Take for example one of the most esoteric ideas in human history,quantum mechanics.
Its very essence stemming from mysterious realms beyond human comprehension and observation.
To the un-initiated it is complete madness, a world of foreign symbols and abstractions beyond the brightest minds in human history.
As with most recondite metaphysics it was largely ignored by the public.
Until the fruit of experiment elevated it from abstruse philosophy to a meaningful ontology.
From its abstract beginnings in statistical thermodynamics through its prepubescence in Thomas Young's double-slit experiment & J. J. Thomson's cathode ray tube experiments; It was experiment that kept from devolving into edgy meaningless philosophy.
Today it is the keystone in the exploration of esoteric questions such as
"What is the nature of reality?","Why does anything exist?"
Or more precisely;
>"what is the relationship between mind and matter, between substance and attribute, and between potentiality and actuality."
These questions have only been made more digestible through the knowledge provided by experiment, driving our understanding of the world forward.

This was not the first step in the evolving narrative of scientific thought.
The selective force in this evolution is experiment.

After formulating his theory of gravity Issac newton is quoted as saying,
>That one body may act upon another at a distance through a vacuum, without the mediation of any thing else, by and through which their action and force may be conveyed from one to another, is to me so great an absurdity, that I believe no man, who has in philosophical matters a competent faculty of thinking, can ever fall into it.

tl;dr Im 12 and this is deep.

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Anonymous Fri 26 Jul 2019 10:38:08 No.10838187 Report

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>>10838162
Excuse me what?
That is the granddaddy of rational thought the fuck you on about?

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Anonymous Fri 26 Jul 2019 10:45:57 No.10838194 Report

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>>10838178
People saying here that there are no high IQ occultists need to look deeper. JPL. Thats all I say.

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Anonymous Fri 26 Jul 2019 10:49:24 No.10838198 Report

Quoted By: >>10838212

>>10838187
>That is the granddaddy of rational thought
That's fucking Spinoza.

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Anonymous Fri 26 Jul 2019 10:52:00 No.10838200 Report

Quoted By: >>10838213

>>10838143
(you)
>hates fedora skeptical fags
Newton
>The proper method for inquiring after the properties of things is to deduce them from experiments.

Shut your cracker ass up you arm waving newage bottom feeding tedtalk watching antiscience MOTHERFUCK.

Skepticism is a core principle in science on newton advocated veraciously.

>If the experiments which I urge be defective, it cannot be difficult to show the defects; but if valid, then by proving the theory, they must render all objections invalid.

DOES THAT SOUND SKEPTICAL TO YOU?

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Anonymous Fri 26 Jul 2019 10:52:13 No.10838202 Report

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>>10838162
Please elaborate

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Anonymous Fri 26 Jul 2019 11:00:20 No.10838212 Report

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>>10838198
Fair.

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Anonymous Fri 26 Jul 2019 11:00:26 No.10838213 Report

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>>10838200
yeah sounds skeptical, but doesn't sound fedora
all the autist is saying is: replicate the bullshit I wrote to see I'm right. Occultist do that too

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Anonymous Fri 26 Jul 2019 11:06:03 No.10838220 Report

Quoted By: >>10838249

>>10838202
>>10838187
Vacuum flask won't spontaneously overheat doesn't mean there is no energy around you you can just move to do work, without adding energy.

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Anonymous Fri 26 Jul 2019 11:09:29 No.10838225 Report

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>>10838213
I mean yeah but both modern science and newton
are quick to point out the flaws in their reasoning.
In "action at a distance" for newton and its philosophical failings or the general conflicts between relativity and quantum mechanics in modernity.

As for "sounding fedora" I'm not sure what you mean by that in this context.

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Anonymous Fri 26 Jul 2019 11:28:37 No.10838249 Report

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>>10838220
If you're referring to perturbation theory and borrowed energy in virtual particles ill have you know that this is an abstraction of quantum mechanics where energy is ALWAYS conserved.

See because the time is finite the particles energy is uncertain. its energy is always equal to its initial & final state thus energy is conserved and a vacuum flask can't spontaneously over heat.

Also id like to point out that you cant say you haven't added energy to this system when you're saying relative to x particle while adding another particle to the system because mass is energy.

A better example of newtons mathematics "holding back" science would have been relativity but to blame him for not understanding things we needed his mathematics to understand is irrational as fuck.

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Anonymous Fri 26 Jul 2019 11:36:20 No.10838255 Report

Quoted By: >>10838277

>>10838249
Conserved or not, you need to profit from creating flow, not energy appearing out of nowhere.

Also you have something as constant acceleration? Where is energy loss, when something is accelerated by gravity?

I'm just talking about the fact that it's cheaper to create heat difference than profit from heat difference and it also applies to electric potential.

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Anonymous Fri 26 Jul 2019 11:38:55 No.10838261 Report

Quoted By: >>10838277

>>10838249
"his" mathematics...
Whose stick we're using?

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Anonymous Fri 26 Jul 2019 11:40:27 No.10838264 Report

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>>10838249
Simpler:

I'm talking about refusal of working concept due to misinterpreted law.

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Anonymous Fri 26 Jul 2019 11:45:49 No.10838271 Report

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Any ways
Look OP the real answer to your question is that you cant expect to launch your self full speed at the hard core philosophy of modern science or the esoteric with out studying the history of its development.
Its taken all of humanity 5,000+ years to develop these questions for which it doesn't have answers.

If you want to see beyond the horizon you'll at the very least need to understand the tools we used to get this far.

The study of the foundations is what makes a master in every field. god knows I feel more sane when I practice the basics and maybe you just need a solid reset, id suggest you either enroll in khan academy or enjoy some MIT open courseware or just watch this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWnfJ0-xXRE&list=PLyQSN7X0ro203puVhQsmCj9qhlFQ-As8e)
in your free time. DON'T DIVE HEAD LONG INTO THE HARDEST THING YOU CAN FIND. Start with what you know you understand and move forward at a reasonable pace.

legit I cant suggest kahnaccadamy enough.
Its free! it lets you test your knowledge so you know where to start. GL my dude.

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Anonymous Fri 26 Jul 2019 11:51:51 No.10838277 Report

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>>10838261
newtons stick.
>>10838162

>>10838255
No doubt modern efficiency is a catastrophe why we use central heating systems when heat pumps exist is beyond me just leave my boy out of it.

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Anonymous Fri 26 Jul 2019 13:57:28 No.10838469 Report

Quoted By: >>10838534

The chad occult enthusiast:
- Not afraid to admit believing in a higher power, or at least the possibility of one
- Sees meaning in allegory and symbols
- Is wise enough to not let the outside control is life
- Lives life according to strict principles
- Puts his family before any selfish desires
- Seeks light

The virgin atheists
- Doesn't believe in god or a higher power.
- Sees things only on how they appear on the surface.
- Puts his selfish desires before anyone else
- He life is meaningless
- lives in the dark
- Doesn't bother helping others unless he gets something out of it.

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Anonymous Fri 26 Jul 2019 14:37:44 No.10838534 Report

Quoted By: >>10839605

>>10838469
I didnt know my choices where either Fairy-tales or nihilism. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Jul 2019 16:42:52 No.10838693 Report

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>>10838127
If that wasn't obvious, then you are not saveable.

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Anonymous Fri 26 Jul 2019 17:48:45 No.10838844 Report

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>>10836351

No, they really wouldn't.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Jul 2019 23:18:22 No.10839605 Report

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>>10838534
> Fairy-tales
I could hear the fedora tipping

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Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2019 00:04:40 No.10839730 Report

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>>10836483
What about the elites ?

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Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2019 00:13:43 No.10839745 Report

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>>10836303
The supernatural is nothing but higher dimensions interacting with ours in a way that our limited senses can’t perceive or properly comprehend.

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Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2019 00:59:34 No.10839829 Report

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>>10836303
Get into gardening

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Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2019 01:06:05 No.10839844 Report

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>>10836303
Read Deleuze and see logic for what it truly is.

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Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2019 01:32:55 No.10839874 Report

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Pythagoreanism is actually a kind of either devaluing or elucidation of Primally old shamanic wisdom expressed fractally in almost cargo cult like fashion (compared to its unbroken form) in ancient Egyptian and ANE cultures and cosmologies etc.

Thus it follows that Platonism is a degenerate and secular form of pythagorianism and neoplatonism is a partial affirmation if not return toward the reconciliation of the profoundly illogical aspects of "philosophy". The commentary tradition of neo pythagorean, middle platonist and of the "commentators" are contrary to popular belief, not banal rote missives rather invocations of punctuated equilibrium born of repitition. This repitition guarantees to prove unequivocally that univocal agreement is practically impossible.

There is an inherent geography and corporeality to language, at it's limits (this limit is paradox/Demi-god) and when these limits are stroked and fluffed into affirmed arousal they become paradoxes which in turn become vaginas which are liminal zones, thresholds and portals in the mind of the human.

Western civilization has lost its roots in true magical training but Platonic philosophy is derived from this original mystical magical training. So Plato used the Archytas version of Pythagorean philosophy and so the "harmonic mean" did not exist in traditional or "orthodox" Pythagorean philosophy.

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Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2019 01:39:57 No.10839891 Report

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>>10838127
Judicial system is centered around law, which is itself a type of magic. Fiat currency is another. These things obfuscate the true centers of power, while generating the image of consensus.

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Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2019 01:43:29 No.10839893 Report

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>>10836303
Ok theres 2 issues here,

1) if you are really potential schizo, recognize what that meant. Schizophrenia is all about believing and experiencing things that are not true or real. If that is happening and you still buy it, please see a therapist or expert who can help you with that.

2) If 1 is not the case, you are exercising healthy to an extreme and maybe need to dial it back a bit. Use science and logic to bring yourself back to reality. I'm in this mode right now and really, I can't stress this enough, there are indeed educated experts in this world who can set you on the right course.

tl;dr read books, do real scientific research and avoid paranoid conspiracy shit as much as you can. I was fucked up by stupid internet shit until I decided to close it off, and you should too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2019 02:42:32 No.10840015 Report

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>>10836549
That's the collective unconscious you're confronting. It is a thing but not in the metaphysical sense, not in the purely Jungian sense, you are face to face with the true kollektives Unbewusstes; human society, history, and culture as developed over thousands of years by many many individuals with brains that are physically and organizationally similar.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2019 08:27:19 No.10840590 Report

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>>10836630
wew
What the fuck does entanglement have to do with that?

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Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2019 08:42:49 No.10840600 Report

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>>10836303
>recently have been obsessed with the esoteric/occult and general paranormal /x/ tier shit.

Few years back I had the same problem. Suddenly I was drown to the occult. But as the months were passing by, the sensation was slowly wearing off. I think we get bored and try to experience something new. I believe you're experiencing the same as I was.

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