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Anonymous Sun 21 Jul 17:24:30 2019 No.10825155 View Reply Original Report

I don't believe in psychology

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Anonymous Sun 21 Jul 2019 17:26:56 No.10825158 Report

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>>10825155
It's all kiked up nonsense. Look at Sigismund SCHLOMO (yeah that's his actual middle name. How come that's never brought up in text-books) Freud, a jew who thinks everyone hates their dad and wants to fuck their mom. It's just racial projection on steroids.

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Anonymous Sun 21 Jul 2019 17:33:27 No.10825180 Report

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>>10825155
i mean, scientifically, "belief" shouldn't really be all that distinct from whether your scientific results make accurate descriptions and predictions that can be confirmed with reproducible objective experiments or objective observations. that said, psychology is riddled with subjectivity, just by nature of trying to study people's mind and thoughts, and even the more objective ways of doing psychology, like behavioral psychology or neuroscience based psychology, have tons of problems being reproducible and taking into account observational biases and methodological biases. like for example, most of their studies find test subjects by literally posting fliers on campuses asking for undergrads to do them for like $50 bucks. as if that doesn't bias their sample. also, the statistics that psychologists employ are usually super meme -- this culture of being like "haha! we got our p-value down to .05! publish!" leads to a ton of p-hacking and shoddy results that aren't reproduced and wouldn't be reproducible even if they tried. and moreover, when it comes to where psychology actually matters in the real world of policy, i.e. psychiatric guidelines like the DSM-V, they update that shit every few years to contradict what it used to say, so clearly they are not reliable over the timespan of a few years

so, yeah, psychology is kind of a meme. but i don't think it's useless to let them keep trying to make it better. i think probably the data scientists at google and facebook probably have a lot of interesting psychology results (how to manipulate people to buy more shit or click more adds through subliminal messaging and triggering psychological responses) but they're probably mostly evil and they won't release these trade secrets for a long time, at least until they stop making money for them

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Anonymous Sun 21 Jul 2019 17:34:28 No.10825183 Report

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>>10825158
>>>/pol/

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Anonymous Sun 21 Jul 2019 23:02:14 No.10825971 Report

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>>10825155
Psychology is not a matter of belief, Anon.

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Anonymous Sun 21 Jul 2019 23:03:11 No.10825973 Report

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>>10825155
Clamped.

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Anonymous Sun 21 Jul 2019 23:08:09 No.10825989 Report

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>>10825155
facts don't care about your "beliefs"

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jul 2019 23:36:59 No.10826037 Report

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>>10825989
Not him but i have been with 4 psychs (2 top tier) and they can't understand me.
People with psych studies believe that im saying something that im not or that im trying to brainwash or date someone just because im being myself.
It seems that moderno day psychology is based on social studies which is something dumb.
"Your family has a good name maybe you did something wrong" i loled really hard
Ah i almost forgot, i know 5 guys with fake, incomplete or fake research numbers

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Jul 2019 00:04:32 No.10826092 Report

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>>10826037
Your own delusions/failures in psychotherapy doesn't make psychology bullshit. Psychoanalysis is controversial, but psychology in itself is a broad field.

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Anonymous Mon 22 Jul 2019 00:24:12 No.10826132 Report

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>>10825155
Theres a lot of truth in there but try to get outside and take walks too

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Anonymous Mon 22 Jul 2019 00:26:48 No.10826139 Report

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>>10825155
Psychology is very, very much a fucked up field, but there's pockets of sanity. I'd recommend reading Skinner and then checking out modern behavior analysis, which is basically the descendent field of his work.

Read this first, also check out pic related
http://carboneclinic.com/portal/conferences/files/Stony%20Point%20Additional%20Materials/Why%20I%20Am%20Not%20a%20Cognitive%20Psychologist.PDF

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Anonymous Mon 22 Jul 2019 00:33:24 No.10826151 Report

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It's not a science

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Anonymous Mon 22 Jul 2019 00:50:14 No.10826193 Report

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>>10826139
behavioral analysis is garbage, predictive neuroscience is garbage, most psychology and neuropsychology is garbage

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Anonymous Mon 22 Jul 2019 00:53:05 No.10826198 Report

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>>10826193
And why do you say behavior analysis is garbage?

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Anonymous Mon 22 Jul 2019 01:07:20 No.10826223 Report

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>>10825155
You don't need to believe, you need to know.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Jul 2019 01:09:34 No.10826230 Report

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>>10825155
>Some spoiled upper middle class suburban kid started college on his parents money and now thinks he's "Depressed" and has "social anxiety"

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Jul 2019 10:37:40 No.10827177 Report

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>>10826037
>anecdotal claims devalue a whole scientific field

You know, I also do not believe in chemistry anymore. This one time I was following the instructions for prepping a substance and it didn't yield the expected molecule. Surely this isn't because I made a mistake (like your top tier psychs), or because one of the educts gone bad (like your 5 guys faking it). Must be the whole fucking chemistry just not working the way it should. That's it.

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Anonymous Mon 22 Jul 2019 10:55:43 No.10827196 Report

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>>10826037

Psychfag here, psych research is a massive meme

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Jul 2019 15:17:03 No.10827658 Report

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>>10825155
I'll wager your faith that that the "all psychology isn't science" meme is the official line in most faith-based burger schools. Certainly it's most convenient for anyone who's high on the psychopathy scale, as well as a cope for those who are easily duped by charismatics who do. It's embarrassing enough how obviously pathological the tone of this goddamn board has become, and why it has.

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Anonymous Mon 22 Jul 2019 15:23:49 No.10827673 Report

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>>10825158
actually a good post
it's just a bunch of speculations and therefore non-science

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Jul 2019 15:29:53 No.10827686 Report

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>>10827658
It is no longer such a big secret that those you diagnose with 'schizophrenia' are actualyl what you call 'psychoapths' in some kind of bizarro witch hunt and never had any hallucinations at all.

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Anonymous Mon 22 Jul 2019 16:00:45 No.10827729 Report

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>>10826139
Coincidently, I just did a project on John Watson. What do you think about the limitations of behaviorism vs cognitive psychology?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Jul 2019 16:21:33 No.10827766 Report

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>>10825155
Neurology vs Psychology
Neurology wins every time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Jul 2019 16:46:31 No.10827812 Report

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>>10825155
I also don't believe in psychology after going to a supposedly good psychologist a few years ago to talk about my substance abuse issues and having her try to 'hypnotize' me. At the time I was young and naive and actually felt bad for her so I pretended it worked, paid the $300 appointment fee and never saw her again. I have since concluded that if a shrink 'helps' you, you weren't sick to begin with. That is not to say that mental illness doesn't exist or can't be treated. There are medications, for instance, that can suppress the symptoms of schizophrenia, for instance. That is legitimate. But try 'hypnotizing' one of those patients or perform CBT on then and see how far that quackery takes you.

I believe that ailments that affect most ordinary people (ie not outright psychotic with manifestations of material damage to the brain such as schizophrenics) are NOT curable by talking to a shrink or doing therapy. They are only curable, or at least manageable through many years of soul-searching and struggle on the part of the person that experiences them. If paying a quack $300 to pretend to listen to you talk cures your 'ailment' you are probably a woman.

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Anonymous Mon 22 Jul 2019 16:46:32 No.10827813 Report

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>>10827658
hahaha not science or math haha

SHUT IT DOWN

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Anonymous Mon 22 Jul 2019 16:55:16 No.10827836 Report

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>>10825155
You believe in good moves?

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Anonymous Mon 22 Jul 2019 16:58:37 No.10827842 Report

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>>10825155
Just reads the stoics. Only reason to go to the shrink is pills for physical afflictions that affect the brain, but which somehow are put in the hands of psychologists instead of real doctors.

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Anonymous Mon 22 Jul 2019 19:09:25 No.10828054 Report

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>>10825155
It works, if the receiver is 30 iq lower than the psychologist.

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Anonymous Mon 22 Jul 2019 19:58:21 No.10828137 Report

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>>10826198
>asking why therapy that frequently lefts the patients with PTSD is garbage.

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Anonymous Mon 22 Jul 2019 20:21:12 No.10828194 Report

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>>10826092
To clarify, based on what the anon said, clinical psychology would be a failure. Other subdisciplines of psychology don't have a great track record either, yet clinical psychology would have to be the most dogmatic, intepretively confused, and unscientific of them all.

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Anonymous Mon 22 Jul 2019 20:30:44 No.10828219 Report

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>>10827177
Your argument would be correct if psychology were a natural science. Chemistry is not a social science, as psychology is. Also your example is founded on a lone person following instructions, where as the clinical psychology case the patient is in dialogue with a trained practitioner. One inexperienced student not following instructions properly =! experienced practitioner working with inexperienced patient.

If multiple attempts with clinical practitioning fail, then this is a blow to psychology, not a problem with the patient. If it were a problem with a patient, where the patient takes all the blame for the failure, then what would the use of clinical psychology be? It would be totally useless, thus not a discipline that should even be compared to that of others such as chemistry.

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Anonymous Mon 22 Jul 2019 20:38:14 No.10828235 Report

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>>10825989
Psychology is not like physics or biology. It is mostly pseudoscience.

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Anonymous Mon 22 Jul 2019 20:39:43 No.10828243 Report

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>>10826139
I agree wholeheartedly. Behavior analysis, Psychophysics and Psychometry are the only pockets of sanity in the field.

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Anonymous Mon 22 Jul 2019 20:42:05 No.10828247 Report

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>>10828137
>>10826198
>behavior analysis bad
>(((psychoanalysis))) good

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Anonymous Mon 22 Jul 2019 20:43:32 No.10828253 Report

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>>10825155
Well you know, I don't believe in natural numbers. But that does not make them not existant.

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Anonymous Mon 22 Jul 2019 20:43:34 No.10828254 Report

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>>10826193
>>10828137
>>behavior analysis bad
>>(((psychoanalysis))) good

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Jul 2019 21:11:21 No.10828332 Report

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>>10828243
>Psychometry
>Pocket of sanity
You can never quantify things that are not directly observable. You're just playing around with operationalized constructs that can never be found to actually correspond with anything tangible. If you want something tangible, if you want to properly measure something, look to brains, not some ontologically ideal substance such as a 'psyche.'

Neuroscience > Psychology

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Anonymous Mon 22 Jul 2019 21:18:58 No.10828355 Report

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>>10828332
>If you want something tangible, if you want to properly measure something, look to brains, not some ontologically ideal substance such as a 'psyche.'

But I agree. I don't believe in the mind at all. What we measure are behavioral patterns. We use a mentalistic vocabulary to describe behavioral patterns, for convenience.
There is no contradiction at all with this approach and neuroscience/neurophysiology. They are complementary fields.

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Anonymous Mon 22 Jul 2019 21:44:37 No.10828409 Report

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>>10828137
That claim was very much unsubstantiated and is disputed. And it's not therapy, behavior analysis is a science in itself. Skinner training pigeons to play ping pong didn't leave anyone with PTSD.
>>10827729
Watson's ideas aren't followed today as Skinner's are, as I'm sure you know. As for limitations, there's a few. Obviously cognitive psychology is more popular, and it seems to be a lot more attractive and "sexier" than behaviorism. This isn't a weakness of its science so much as it is a public image weakness. But cognitive psychology makes more intuitive sense because it's more or less natural for people to (erroneously) explain their own behavior in terms of their mental states. Whatever happens "inside" is of great interest to many people, but behaviorism admits that they can never observe it, which is both its strength and limitation really.
>>10828243
I've seen your posts while searching the archives, looking for any other anons who have heard of behavior analysis. I like you.

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Anonymous Mon 22 Jul 2019 21:45:37 No.10828411 Report

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>>10827766

2 different fields that often compliment each other

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Anonymous Tue 23 Jul 2019 04:12:50 No.10829334 Report

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>>10828243
>>10828409
It's based on degrading the person to the level of an animal adn to be trained as such. There is no rational reason to dispute it causes PTSD.

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Anonymous Tue 23 Jul 2019 04:13:52 No.10829335 Report

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>>10828243
>>10828409
It's based on degrading the person to the level of an animal and being trained as such. There is no rational reason to dispute it causes PTSD.
>>10828254
I dind't say anything about psychoanalysis being good.

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Anonymous Tue 23 Jul 2019 16:18:11 No.10830426 Report

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>>10828332
Neuroscience is still early though.

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Anonymous Tue 23 Jul 2019 16:59:28 No.10830534 Report

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>>10825155

I belive in a few therapeutic things like talking to a shrink on a sofa and mild sedatives to calm the nerves.

But electric shock therapy, lobotomies, drugged routine meds transformed into zombies, etc will shut anyone up. Political enemies or patients simply not liked, for example. Even if there's nothing wrong with them. I say this as someone who has worked in mental health industries. If anything that put me off believing in psychology far more than any words on a chan board.

Pyschology might have been a healing tool once, but it is weaponized now, and "mental healh" can become a killing phrase by the deep state.

I can see why not believing in psychology, playing the Jesus card, and / or Scientology are becoming more popular. In self defence.

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Anonymous Tue 23 Jul 2019 17:23:37 No.10830605 Report

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>>10829335
>muh human decency
This is the clamped mindset that castrates the social sciences. Humans are animals, even if we have characteristics that are not present in any other animal. Behaviorists don't "train" people through some sort of clockwork orange torture mrthods or some shit like that. They a) examine people in the wild or b) conduct experiments where they try to see how different people react to intructions/stimuli. Assuming putting people in a room to participate in what is basically a game is gonna cause PTSD is frankly one of the most retarded things I've read, even worse when humanities faggots spill it as if it was dogma. It assumes humans are these soft little bitches. Like when Milgram's experiment was criticised but when he went back to speak to his subjects no one really had even a trace of permanent mental sequels. At most, they didn't like being duped into thinking they had electrocuted someone.
So give your your rational reason to assume it causes PTSD. Is it something other than "muh fragile feels, I participated in an experiment and I didn't behave as I thought I would have"?
Take your species arrogance and shove it up your ass. The best human science has come out of looking at empirical results cross culturally and cross species.

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Anonymous Tue 23 Jul 2019 17:42:08 No.10830654 Report

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>>10827842
I like CBT and it has helped me alot and its basically modern empirical stoicism

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Anonymous Tue 23 Jul 2019 17:44:27 No.10830660 Report

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>>10825155
>>10825158
Therapists are secular priests who assert that they have some "truth", and if your values deviate, then you are "wrong". Hence, The Rapist. They impose their values onto you through their mindfucking.

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Anonymous Tue 23 Jul 2019 20:13:31 No.10831015 Report

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>>10830605
>frankly one of the most retarded things I've read, even worse when humanities faggots spill it as if it was dogma. It assumes humans are these soft little bitches.
Since when psychology doesn't belong to the humanities? Even if it doesn't, it is obviously much closer to it than to the sciences.

It isn't basically a game, it's brutal torture comparable to training circus animals.

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Anonymous Tue 23 Jul 2019 20:18:08 No.10831022 Report

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psychology is real as long as you trust statistics

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Anonymous Tue 23 Jul 2019 20:19:56 No.10831024 Report

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replication_crisis

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xxXSuiseisekiXxx Tue 23 Jul 2019 21:27:57 No.10831169 Report

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>>10831024
>According to a 2016 poll of 1,500 scientists reported in the journal Nature, 70% of them had failed to reproduce at least one other scientist's experiment (50% had failed to reproduce one of their own experiments). In 2009, 2% of scientists admitted to falsifying studies at least once and 14% admitted to personally knowing someone who did.

Holy shit that need to be prefixed with something like "as a result of a likely hood based school of thought being included in definition"

I near stoked reading that. Guess psychological study is the 20% shitting on the 80% that supports it?

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Anonymous Tue 23 Jul 2019 21:38:58 No.10831188 Report

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>>10831015
How about some examples of studies done within the last five to ten years that show this horrible human torture you speak of? There are ethics commitees that will destroy your career if you publish results that show you've abused your subjects, man. Your view is frankly caricaturesque.
Psychology and other human sciences like sociology, anthropology, etc. are super heterogenous. Mostly work that falls under the "humanities" category (speculative, philosophical or morally prescriptive/critical) but there are pockets within all of them that work within naturalistic/scientific frameworks, like the social network analysis crowd in sociology, the behaviorists and cognitivists in psychology, or the cultural evolutionists in anthropology. All of them producing scientific knowledge about human behaviour.
Trying to put these disciplines in a single bag (humanities or science) doesn't map well to the reality of it.

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Anonymous Tue 23 Jul 2019 21:40:02 No.10831190 Report

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>>10825155
no one cares about you or your believes.

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xxXSuiseisekiXxx Tue 23 Jul 2019 21:46:57 No.10831201 Report

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>>10831188
Australia is doing non informed sham surgery. With also fraudulent diagnosis.
That or I'm actually just fucking broken. To be con't~ Got no response from the licensing board for blind blind trials.
So I'm going to lawfaging up.

As for segments of knowledge in it?
HAHAHAHA
It's literally all a "Coherent reasoning.VS inconstant reasoning" applied to data denotative of organic actions.
There's no boundary. Just concept containers on the verge of spilling where ever you want it to.

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xxXSuiseisekiXxx Tue 23 Jul 2019 21:49:20 No.10831206 Report

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>>10831188
Ackshually
Mindphreaking should be a science.
Their result are actually constant enough to fall with a acceptable outlay er rate.

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Anonymous Tue 23 Jul 2019 22:14:15 No.10831257 Report

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>>10831206
Well thanks for the (you)'s, I guess

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Anonymous Tue 23 Jul 2019 22:37:25 No.10831316 Report

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>>10831169
>I near stoked reading that

anon..

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Anonymous Tue 23 Jul 2019 22:40:37 No.10831326 Report

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>>10825989
"facts" aren't concrete like your slave masters tell you, history has proven this time and time again

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Jul 2019 22:43:39 No.10831330 Report

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>>10825155
>I don't believe punishment deters deters behavior

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xxXSuiseisekiXxx Tue 23 Jul 2019 22:50:53 No.10831348 Report

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>>10831316
It's been a rather trying time for me.
I came here to shitpot about cognition.
And ended up getting sucked into hanging about as a result of it having instance of zero here.
So I've been using horse training techniques to /correct/ behaviors.
But to make it a non weaponized literature. I have to use a relative subject that rewards and punishes.
A sticky carrot.

Anons may think there be 4 lights. But does that make it so?
We don't know who started the flame war. But it goes on and on till it's a circular plugging of authors of a intangible thing.

So, To be as it were I must. And in doing so. I don't know specially what makes a ectro magnet different from a light bulb any more.
I went to turn on my heater the other night. I didn't hear the auto igniter. So I turned it off. and even unplugged it because
I'm that far for knowing anything anymore.

So seeing such a thing as almost right. Because I'm no longer sure who's not making sense anymore.
Taking thought experiments to the extreme is not for the feint heated.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Jul 2019 22:54:10 No.10831355 Report

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>>10828332
This.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tqjl4nRSorM

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Jul 2019 22:54:35 No.10831356 Report

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>>10831348
your writing is unintelligible

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Anonymous Tue 23 Jul 2019 22:57:13 No.10831364 Report

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>>10830654
>I like CBT and it has helped me alot

Gross, dude
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cock_and_ball_torture

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Jul 2019 22:57:39 No.10831366 Report

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>>10831356
Yet, if you look at it again, it is totally legible as far as grammatical English is concerned. Fuck. This is literary alchemy.

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xxXSuiseisekiXxx Tue 23 Jul 2019 22:59:58 No.10831372 Report

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>>10831356
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

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Anonymous Tue 23 Jul 2019 23:01:22 No.10831375 Report

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>>10831366
Yeah it fucked me up im not gonna lie

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xxXSuiseisekiXxx Tue 23 Jul 2019 23:11:32 No.10831382 Report

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>>10831366
>>10831375
Thank fuck that got seconded.
I'm legit going to ask for ask for a Guardian of authoritythingy? next GP visit though.
The lawyer one.. Where they take your axe and put it to use.

It's a lot of unfortunate happenstance. on top of this.
Genuinely cant even.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Jul 2019 23:14:34 No.10831385 Report

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>>10831188
https://www.spectrumnews.org/features/deep-dive/controversy-autisms-common-therapy/
https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/impromptu-man/201205/harvards-experiment-the-unabomber-class-62

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xxXSuiseisekiXxx Tue 23 Jul 2019 23:26:53 No.10831402 Report

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Here's example of perfect cognitive discordance.
https://youtu.be/f1x9lgX8GaE?t=5254
>what's strange about impossibility being wrong
Its the moment before that makes what's said, incredibly disolvent.

I'm sure of that, I called the vikings in on the case.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Jul 2019 17:21:09 No.10833115 Report

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>>10828332
Youre a retard. Youll find it very hard to find out what the brain does without an understansing of psychology.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Jul 2019 17:31:09 No.10833124 Report

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>>10828355
>>10828355
Can I mention that no one has ever observed an electron. All knowledge abiut them is from very indirect methods of observation. Exactly analogous to measuing mental constructs through report and behaviour.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Jul 2019 17:56:32 No.10833171 Report

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>>10831385
>last five to ten years
>1959
Try again, retard. The type of research that the article describes would be universally panned in this day and age
>autism therapy
Some meme therapy doesn't have anything to do with the empirical study of human behavior. At most it is an application, but by that point it's no longer general scientific research
If you cherry pick your shit you'll find whatever you want to (you can't expect a summerfag who "doesn't believe in psychology" to understand basic shit like confirmation bias), but it proves absolutely nothing about the general behaviorist research praxis. You have no argument.

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Anonymous Wed 24 Jul 2019 18:13:43 No.10833206 Report

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>>10825155
Psychology can be boiled down to "the philosophy of neuroscience". AKA it's not a real science and there is a huge replication problem in psychological studies.

The most breakthrough studies in psychology, like Pavlov's dogs, are impossible to generalize to the population as a whole because the principle of psychology is that everyone is individualized.

It is a socio-political doctrine that is used to marginalize others.

t. psych degree and psych researcher with authorship

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Jul 2019 18:15:04 No.10833209 Report

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>>10825158
Freud talks openly about his jewish upbringing and is quite adamantly against it and all religion.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Jul 2019 19:18:49 No.10833327 Report

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>>10825158
>psychoanalysis
>same as contemporary psychology
low iq confirmed

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Jul 2019 21:32:51 No.10833623 Report

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>>10833206
Neuroscience has almost as much replication problems as psychology as do other fields like biomed. You never seen the study where they got brain activity out of a dead salmon? or how the fmri statistics are prone to false positives?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Jul 2019 22:32:11 No.10833856 Report

Quoted By: >>10836065

Thats why you probably you ended up on 4chan incel faggot

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Jul 2019 22:53:20 No.10833968 Report

Quoted By: >>10841072

The human condition was invented not discovered

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Jul 2019 23:08:20 No.10834021 Report

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>>10825155
That's okay, psychology believes in you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Jul 2019 06:20:37 No.10835077 Report

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https://www.parentsofrogdkids.com/the-lie

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Jul 2019 06:35:35 No.10835095 Report

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>>10834021

The rhetorical thrust of this statement is that psychology is a respectable scientific discipline with legitimate explanatory power. That is false.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Jul 2019 17:55:53 No.10836065 Report

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>>10833856
I have sex

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Jul 2019 18:05:02 No.10836081 Report

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>>10830660
>Therapists
>The rapists
makes sense now

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 25 Jul 2019 18:09:45 No.10836095 Report

Quoted By: >>10838963

>>10825155
Just cause you've never heard of psychology outside of Freud, doesnt mean it isnt a science.
Will admit its in early stages but most other sciences have a couple of hundred years on it.

Heres a symbolic formula for the different sexualities. Though i doubt you'd be interested and since ur just shitposting.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Jul 2019 18:20:27 No.10836115 Report

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There are some truths to it. Just like how you know someone with an angry look on their face holding a knife pointed towards you is extremely likely to stab you. Rest is just speculations, just guesses that are as good as mine and yours.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Jul 2019 18:21:08 No.10836117 Report

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>>10829335
Standard medical surgery causes PTSD.

I'm also confused what position you are arguing?
Are you specifically against behavior analysis or 70s behavior mod?
Are you against all psychology or behavioral science?
If you're against all psychology, in what sense does 'PTSD" exist if you're like Thomas Szasz? (what are you mad about?)

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Jul 2019 19:17:01 No.10836242 Report

Quoted By: >>10842074 >>10842342 >>10844167

I'm a behaviorist in the industrial field. I don't really believe in psychology.

I kind of don't care when people say that they don't believe in my field because these are the same people who
>spend $$$ on video game loot systems perfected by behaviorists
>remember to put on their seatbelt because of annoying chimes added to cars by behaviorists
>not get chopped up by an industrial machine because the behavioral safety analysis discovered that response effort increases of the first safety device would lead to extinction induced variability and so a SECOND SAFETY was needed to prevent some dumbass from inevitably tampering with the first safety device

Humans can basically be trained like dogs, you just have to use bullshit like "Person Centered" when selling them the training.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Jul 2019 19:28:18 No.10836267 Report

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>>10825971
As a soft science it's pretty much just a beliefs system. Especially since they've been tossing out decades of "experiments" and theory because none of them were repeatable in the slightest.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Jul 2019 22:12:20 No.10836649 Report

Quoted By: >>10837934

>>10825158
based. the projection bit is quite powerful actually. Ive never heard of such absurd ideas until I hear of these prominent jewish thinkers who try to inculcate us with them as if we had already been well acquainted with them.

>>10830660
wow that quote is intriguing. did this guy have a manifesto or something? Ive always thought he was some nut who gave no reason for what he did.

>>10833209
>implying any elitist zionist jews actually follow their faith
>implying the sickening faith of Judaism even stands a chance against christianity and islam
these jewish atheists spend their days lampooning faith and calling religious leaders rapists all while they do the same in their mansions; its all projection.

>>10831326
this. folks like ben shekelpiro will ridicule post modernists who propose the idea that there is no fundamental truth beyond what is just regurgitated by our elites to benefit themselves when in fact they are right. The victors write history after all

>>10830660

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Anonymous Fri 26 Jul 2019 07:14:37 No.10837934 Report

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>>10836649
funny how you use Freudian psychoanalysis to insult Freud himself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Jul 2019 18:42:03 No.10838963 Report

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>>10836095
I know about Jordan B Peterson. He's full of shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Jul 2019 18:50:17 No.10838993 Report

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>>10825158
>>>/pol/
>but true

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Jul 2019 18:53:25 No.10839002 Report

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>>10825155
psychology is really bad

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2019 02:43:52 No.10840019 Report

Quoted By: >>10840037 >>10842088 >>10845567

If anyone is monitoring this thread. I'm in the final year of my doctorate in clinical psych and have two masters in psych. People in this thread with "psych degrees" or who read psych "extensively" tend to recommend 100-year-old books and base their philosophies on misunderstanding of the literature or on anachronistic epistemologies.

If anyone has questions, I can't give specifics, but I am currently in my internship, which all psychologists need to graduate and I'll AMA for a bit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2019 02:56:29 No.10840037 Report

Quoted By: >>10840042

>>10840019
Can you observe another person's internal mental activity?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2019 03:00:51 No.10840042 Report

Quoted By: >>10840046

>>10840037
You mean telekinetically? Not yet. Theoretically we could measure synaptic activity to a degree sensitive enough to read thoughts, and we have very clunky neuroscience so far, but that's as far as we get in terms of observing. Clinically? I can't read thoughts, but I can observe thought patterns, structures, etc through language. At the end of the day, language is the programming code through which we can access thought.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2019 03:03:50 No.10840046 Report

Quoted By: >>10840062

>>10840042
What's a structure?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2019 03:12:14 No.10840062 Report

Quoted By: >>10840091 >>10840096 >>10840352

>>10840046
Depending on what school of thought you come from (as an aside, no modern therapists practice psychoanalysis, and if they claim to, run). In most practices structures may refer to what are called schema's (basically categories that we fit things into). If you want to get more complex, you can look into relational frame theory, as it posits that we create relationships between concepts using different rules that typically relate to language. The idea with schemas is to understand how you see the world. For example, many people have a schema that the world is fair, but when they are traumatized, that schema is challenged, since they believe the world is fair, bad things must happen to bad people, therefore there must be something bad about them. Even though they may understand somewhere that they aren't, it is difficult to challenge deep core beliefs. Relational Frame Theory is much more complex and relies on what we call functional contextualism to determine how our actions and beliefs are formed based on contextual factors.

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Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2019 03:21:05 No.10840091 Report

Quoted By: >>10840105

>>10840062
>RFT
So I'm guessing you have a decent behavioral background then.
What's a belief? Is it something that everyone has in their brain somewhere? How do you differentiate it from a basic conditioned verbal response?

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Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2019 03:23:38 No.10840096 Report

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>>10840062
jesus christ

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Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2019 03:30:16 No.10840105 Report

Quoted By: >>10840118 >>10840128

>>10840091
To be honest, "belief" is a pretty poor word, but the first one I thought of. Of course, we could oversimplify and say, yes, all output is a condition of the firing of synapses that could theoretically be predicted if we could map all of your neuronal connections. On a more broad level, a belief could be an assumption about the world. Again, being overly pedantic, we could take a social constructionist approach and say that everything is a belief, since all meaning is socially constructed using symbology. In a more real world, clinical sense, if you were more behaviorally-based, I might propose that a belief is how we represent relational frames, as belief is an assumption of association between two ideas. So, yes, everyone has beliefs. So, clinically, if I were a radical behaviorist, I would utilize language to subvert the rule structure the patient has in place to encourage a bypass of their subconscious beliefs in place of their conscious beliefs (i.e. value system).

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2019 03:40:42 No.10840118 Report

Quoted By: >>10840128 >>10840135

>>10840105
So a belief is an abstraction over neuron activity? Also, I thought radical behaviorists explicitly don't make assumptions about the subconscious, let alone beliefs.

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Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2019 03:46:04 No.10840128 Report

Quoted By: >>10840138

>>10840118
>>10840105
Oh, and you didn't really answer my question on how a subconscious/core belief can be differentiated from mere reinforced verbal activity, since you're extracting it from language(?)

Tomorrow at breakfast I could tell my friends that the world is fair, but how can you tell whether I really think that or am just saying it because it's socially reinforced? Or that I'm repeating it from some other person?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2019 03:48:53 No.10840135 Report

Quoted By: >>10840156

>>10840118
Not over in the sense that they overlap. What I was trying to say is that belief can mean vastly different things depending on what perspective you take.

You're right that we don't use subconscious per say. A more precise explanation might be that we utilize language to change short-term coping strategies (which I mislabelled as subconscious beliefs) and replace them with long-term values-based behaviors. While radical behaviorists are strictly looking to change behavior, we do have to look at cognitive structures in the real world as a structure to change behavior.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2019 03:50:59 No.10840138 Report

Quoted By: >>10840156 >>10848637

>>10840128
Hm, the truth is that you can't tell. You can only use data that you get from what you hear and what you see. Fortunately, whether or not it is a belief or a faux-belief, the approaches clinically are the same, since people don't usually recognize which is which. And if they are lying, then I am working with false data.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2019 03:58:47 No.10840156 Report

Quoted By: >>10840182

>>10840135
>>10840138

>Not over in the sense that they overlap.
My use of "over" was kinda flawed. I meant, "Is a belief, not as in the beliefs I may hold, but rather the concept of a belief, a symbol for a particular pattern of neuron activity?" And what perspective do YOU take?

How do you utilize language? Do you ask me what my beliefs are, and later say something that may prompt me to do a new behavior?

How was it figured that real beliefs control behavior?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2019 04:11:25 No.10840182 Report

Quoted By: >>10840194

>>10840156
Ooookay, I get what you meant (I think). My cognitive neuroscience is a little rusty because it's been a couple of years, but yes. Old models of cognition such as the "information processing" model was built around computers, but we now have a more complex understanding of neurocognition. Parallel processing models now hold that all cognitions can be seen as patterns of waves of neuronal activity that are propelled by associations between connected neural networks (let me know if that makes sense). I, personally, currently take the symbolic perspective because it is the best clinical perspective to take. conceptualizing clinical cases based on neuroanatomy is only useful for neuro-assessment. Not to say that they aren't all true.

I practice from an Acceptance and Commitment Therapy model, which is based on RFT. We determine contextual factors first, then we ask patients about their behaviors, and clue into their beliefs based on how they cope with their current stressors. The idea is that, often, maladaptive coping mechanisms come from short-term coping strategies or from whatever coping strategies you have. To use language, we determine what rules you follow to get to the behavior, then challenge those in session through socratic questioning and psychoeducation (i.e. it makes sense that many people with chronic pain turn to alcohol in the context that they have). In ACT we also use a lot of metaphors, as they seem to create easier connections to new ideas.

I'm not sure I understand your last question.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2019 04:20:17 No.10840194 Report

Quoted By: >>10840248

>>10840182
>I'm not sure I understand your last question.
In your description of ACT:
>To use language, we determine what rules you follow to get to the behavior,

If I understand correctly, you're saying that beliefs and rules cause behavior. How was this causal relationship established?

(Semi-related, my CAPTCHA just now asked me to select all tiles with crosswalks, yet I immediately started clicking on the tiles with street lights. Funny.)

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Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2019 04:32:38 No.10840215 Report

Quoted By: >>10840217

>>10825180
1. Psychology has been nerfed by ethical constrains. Physicists, chemists, and so on get to treat what they study like it's an object, but psychologists are not allowed to treat what they study like it's an object. Considering physicists have club to wield while psychologists are only allowed to wield the equivalent of a pool noodle they're not doing too bad.
2. Institutions of psychology have been hijacked by political correctness and social justice warriors in general, however this is irrelevant when it comes to the actual science on the matter. There are very reliable results in science that have been tested consistently by researchers across decades and cultures, IQ is perhaps the best example of this. I'm no Jordan Peterson fan but he actually does a great job of breaking this down: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSo5v5t4OQM
3. The replication rates of other fields of science are exaggerated and the replication rates of psychology is understated when you get past the political bullshit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2019 04:34:33 No.10840217 Report

Quoted By: >>10840224

>>10840215
I've been looking for something like pic related for a while, I have a memory of seeing something akin to that last year but it broke down the replication rates by subfield (cell bio, cancer research, biochem, cog psyche, soc psyche, econ). Where did you get that particular image from?

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Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2019 04:39:30 No.10840224 Report

Quoted By: >>10840237

>>10840217
The Alternative Hypothesis. This whole video goes over this very topic and completely refutes skeptics of psychology:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1jsWrQu7CQ

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2019 04:45:28 No.10840237 Report

Quoted By: >>10840251

>>10840224
do you know exactly what meta-analysis this image he uses is drawn from? I'm looking at the description and it does not seem to be present. The paper itself likely has more references than just those presented here which is what was of interest to me. Also, really don't want to watch the whole video and listen to this guy ramble. I've watched other videos from him and he means well but I think he lacks some of the proper background in the subjects he discusses to be talking about them the way he does.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2019 04:50:27 No.10840248 Report

Quoted By: >>10840254 >>10840283

>>10840194
Sorry, had to take a call.

>How was this causal relationship established?
That one, specifically, is rooted (in my mind) in the cognitive model that Beck developed. In CBT, the causal relationship between core beliefs, rules/assumptions, automatic thoughts, emotions, and behaviors are all linked together in a cohesive relationship. There are a plethora of papers on this, so one seminal paper doesn't jump out at me. One thing that others in this thread have argued is that all of these words and associations are "best guesses" since psychology, specifically clinical psychology, is based on abstract representations of patterns of thoughts/emotions/behaviors such as anxiety/depression/PTSD, etc.

Nice, first RFT joke I've ever heard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2019 04:50:28 No.10840249 Report

Quoted By: >>10840250 >>10840274

Where the fuck is that ACT guy reeeeeeee

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2019 04:51:32 No.10840250 Report

Quoted By: >>10840254

>>10840249
It me. I'm here for you, brother.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2019 04:51:37 No.10840251 Report

Quoted By: >>10840269

>>10840237
I believe that's an image they created using data from the citations as seen on the left. A link within the description has more citations:
>https://ideasanddata.wordpress.com/2019/01/08/nassim-taleb-on-iq/
I understand what you're saying but he genuinely does do a great job of defending psychology and refuting this meme that psychology isn't real science™

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2019 04:52:39 No.10840254 Report

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>>10840250
>>10840248
Just posted that one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2019 04:55:44 No.10840269 Report

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>>10840251
I just figured that out, I'll have to look at the papers he cites individually then. Thanks anyways

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2019 04:57:14 No.10840274 Report

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>>10840249
If anyone has questions, I need to step away for a bit for a phonecall, but I'll answer them within 30-60 mins. I can answer about clinical psych or psych in general. I like sharing what knowledge I have, but have to give the caveat that this isn't therapy. My specialty is more in health psychology, so the intersection of mental and physical health, but I have generalist training as well.

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Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2019 05:02:01 No.10840283 Report

Quoted By: >>10840327

>>10840248
It's more of a plain vanilla operant conditioning joke but yeah, close enough.

IDK, I'm kind of stumped for questions right now. I haven't studied psych professionally but I've read a bunch of radical behaviorist material. I suppose I share Skinner's hesitance to say anything on things we can't observe 100% for reals etc. You seem to have your shit together though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2019 05:39:25 No.10840327 Report

Quoted By: >>10840332

>>10840283
No worries, I've heard of specific relational frames as being described as traffic signals.

Skinner was great, but what humans have that none of the animals he tested on had is language. That's why Skinnerian approaches tend to work better with children than adults. Adults are often more complex because our reward system is obscured by symbolic layers and non-apparent value systems. I definitely use rewards in my practice, but they usually come in the form of affirmations (punishments don't have good long-term effects).

I appreciate the props. If you want more pragmatic/real-world material on how radical behaviorism is used, try looking for papers or books by Hayes, Harris, and/or Strosahl. They were at the forefront of translating RFT and other theories into ACT.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2019 05:40:50 No.10840332 Report

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>>10840327
And Good Luck! I'll probably be around for 5-15 more minutes before bed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2019 05:59:39 No.10840352 Report

Quoted By: >>10840369

>>10840062
So your theory is basically that of Lacan

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2019 06:11:19 No.10840369 Report

Quoted By: >>10840409

>>10840352
First of all, not my theory. RFT was developed from empirical evidence over several decades. While I can see where there might be confusion since Lacan used the idea of symbolic meaning. His school of thought kind of fell by the wayside decades ago. His theory is more akin to social constructivism, which is what we see more in qualitative research.

To be honest, I'm not terribly familiar with Lacan's work, so he could have influenced those who developed RFT. But from what I have read, they took their theories more from modern research on linguistics and inspiration from Buddhism. I'm on the West Coast and psychodynamic therapists tend to hang on the East Coast (I have no idea why), but in my experience, process-oriented therapists tend to use object-relations or Gestalt in practice. I've never heard of any research studies using Lacanian-based therapy/theory and have never met a Lacanian therapist. There's just little to no evidence behind it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2019 06:47:03 No.10840409 Report

Quoted By: >>10840426

>>10840369
Ok, firstly, I did kind of memeing because I just see the heavy dependence on language and structure on those two.
And this is some serious question; why buddhism involved in any of this? I cannot think how any of it is related(something like zen really wants to get out of barrier of language), I cannot think there is such a thing except that there is a great connection with Jung. But the problem is... isn't Jung outdated?

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Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2019 06:57:46 No.10840426 Report

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>>10840409
Noice memeing.

Jung is outdated. From what I read, Hayes didn't get into a program he wanted, so he spent a year or two in a Bhuddist commune. Then, he got into a great program and used the skills he learned in the commune as they seemed to allow sidestepping the bargaining that our brain does when we do maladaptive coping. The integration of buddhism comes into play when we accept negative emotion (dukkha) and use mindfulness as a way of escaping our mind's narrative. There's a bit more to it, but that's the gist.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2019 13:47:41 No.10841072 Report

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>>10833968
Then why hasn't it changed?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2019 22:18:14 No.10842074 Report

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>>10836242
Don't forget the drug prevention ad campaigns, perfected by behaviorists, that have officially stopped drugs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Jul 2019 22:23:20 No.10842088 Report

Quoted By: >>10845567

>>10840019
Do you think behavioral neuroscience BS > clinical psych PhD is a good degree route?

What's your GPA/GRE score and how difficult is it to get into a psych phd program?

Do you think John B. Watson's background in behavioral psychology gave him a significant upper hand in advertisement?

What's your take on the reproducibility crisis?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jul 2019 00:32:55 No.10842342 Report

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>>10836242
All of these things have been done without "training" people in behavioural bullshitology.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jul 2019 00:39:48 No.10842356 Report

Quoted By: >>10842359

>>10825155
Situation I live in is unique and can't be measured somewhere on clinic on different people. That's right. There are many like me in the world.

A far from standardized product.

Even the aspect if you "allow" yourself to be measured in states like that is so different from standardized clinical human.

It's not even wroth thinking about. Burn those books.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jul 2019 00:40:49 No.10842359 Report

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>>10842356
Some aspects of memory can be studied, but some "predictive profiling" is pure failure.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jul 2019 16:03:51 No.10843757 Report

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>>10833206
Pscychology just makes shit up though. Plenty don't even bother with neuroscience.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jul 2019 16:19:39 No.10843792 Report

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it's cause you're a robot bobby.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jul 2019 18:49:25 No.10844150 Report

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>>10825158
> It's just racial projection

>projection

you're using a concept from the very thing you claim is bullshit

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Jul 2019 18:56:09 No.10844167 Report

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>>10836242
Any good resources for learning to train people? I know the basics of operant conditioning and variable ratio scheduling being the best, but where do I go from there?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Jul 2019 03:57:49 No.10845567 Report

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>>10842088
>>10840019
Hey, It's me again, the ACT dude. If anyone has more Psych questions, I'll be here for a bit more.

To be perfectly honest, I'm doing a PsyD because I had friends who took 9 years to do their PhD and it scared me. If I had to do it again, I would have probably gone for a PhD, just because I realized partway through the PsyD the area that I enjoy researching, and I get so tired of Argosy and Alliant ruining the reputation of the degree for those of us who go to top PsyD programs. However, I'm at internship with several PhDs and have published a few articles, which is why I'm more of a research-y PsyD. So, to answer your question, the neuroscience degree will do you well, but mostly if you want to go into neuroscience.

I think I had a 3.7ish, but that was several years ago so I can't remember. My GRE was pretty good. I think I was in the 98th for verbal, mid 80s for math and mid-80s for essays. I also wrote the LSAT, so sometimes I get them mixed up.

I think Watson's background gave him the ultimate hand. If he hadn't cheated on his wife, we would have never had modern advertising loyalty.

I think the "crisis" is misunderstood, since the studies that are cited were often found to have had shoddy methodology themselves. I think that we don't know to what extent the rabbithole goes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Jul 2019 19:36:39 No.10847111 Report

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Anonymous Mon 29 Jul 2019 19:38:46 No.10847117 Report

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What do you mean by that?

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Anonymous Tue 30 Jul 2019 02:33:01 No.10848092 Report

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Anonymous Tue 30 Jul 2019 02:38:52 No.10848104 Report

Quoted By: >>10851115 >>10852745

>>10825155
You cant per-see disagree with psychology as a whole. That's like disagreeing with neuroscience just because a drug didn't work to fix your chemical imbalance. You may not believe in certain psychological theories , but psychology as a area of study has undeniable truths.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Jul 2019 07:40:58 No.10848637 Report

Quoted By: >>10848640

>>10840138
For those faux-beliefs I like the Transactional psych concept of Introjection. That is, an assert that has been adopted without personal elaboration and fitting it into your own's mental framework.
Something like a pre-made propaganda piece that is just repeated both internally and externally, usually because of social conditioning.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Jul 2019 07:42:30 No.10848640 Report

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>>10848637
You can identify an introjection because it's disgregated from the rest of a person's belief system. It's isolated, nothing leads to it, it's taken as a dogma. It is also usually surrounded by contradictions, since it's not an integrated and elaborated thought.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Jul 2019 08:00:20 No.10848662 Report

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>>10825158
>hates their dad and wants to fuck their mom
literally me

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Anonymous Tue 30 Jul 2019 19:01:31 No.10849781 Report

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>>10825971
Every theory is a matter of belief. Stfu if your level in epistemology is ground zero.

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Anonymous Wed 31 Jul 2019 03:19:46 No.10851115 Report

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>>10848104
>but psychology as a area of study has undeniable truths.
BOOLSHIT

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Anonymous Wed 31 Jul 2019 19:27:16 No.10852745 Report

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>>10848104
Excluding any that arent specific to the discipline of psychology (eg the existence of the human condition, etc) could you name some?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Jul 2019 20:10:55 No.10852851 Report

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>>10825158
Freud diagnosed a huge problem in his home country, everyones dad was such a dick that it gave all the kids "oedipus syndrom", which is what you just described.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Jul 2019 20:12:05 No.10852853 Report

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>>10825158
>a jew who thinks everyone hates their dad and wants to fuck their mom
So I take it you haven't read him

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Aug 2019 03:10:42 No.10853880 Report

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>>10825155
Should be based on empirical evidence aka brain scans and behavior checks

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Aug 2019 03:47:03 No.10853935 Report

Quoted By:

>>10825158
>Modern day psychologist
>Thinking Freud’s original system of psychoanalysis is generally accurate and useful in treatment
>Not a pile of unverified bullshit cobbled together from case studies with some lucky guesses and hypothetical connections worth researching in a separate context
You’re talking to a fucking moron.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Aug 2019 03:55:46 No.10853952 Report

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>>10825155
the entire field has been corrupted and can no longer be trusted because it allows the indoctrination of mothers and their 10 year old sons into getting their dicks chopped off.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Aug 2019 04:38:15 No.10854016 Report

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>>10825155
Cope
>>10825158
>psychometrics is the same as freudian nonsense
cope

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