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Anonymous Sun 21 Jul 15:07:14 2019 No.10824786 View Reply Original Report

Honestly, fuck physicists for ruining culture.

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2016/08/the-multiverse-as-imagination-killer/497417/

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jul 2019 15:13:13 No.10824797 Report

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>>10824786
plenty of physicists don’t like that shit, even famous string theorists like Ed Wittenberg and David Gross

it’s basically just the clown physics team at stanford who push that shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jul 2019 15:14:23 No.10824799 Report

Quoted By: >>10825100 >>10826434 >>10834510

>>10824786
plenty of physicists don’t like that shit, even famous string theorists like Ed Witten and David Gross

it’s basically just the clown physics team at stanford who push that shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jul 2019 15:19:19 No.10824809 Report

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How many pounds of hashish do I need to fly on to understand what the fuck is this guy's problem?

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Anonymous Sun 21 Jul 2019 15:27:43 No.10824821 Report

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>>10824786
>because if it does exist the implications are horrifying. Right now, infinite versions of yourself are dying in really horrible ways, not in spite of the fact that you’re lazily giving answers to a New Scientist reporter, but because of it. Every second you live, their suffering increases. If you stand on a cliff-edge and decide not to die, how many billions are smashed on the rocks? Jump now, and save them all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jul 2019 15:32:15 No.10824833 Report

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>>10824786
What were you thinking when you decided to make that thread?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jul 2019 15:33:26 No.10824836 Report

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>>10824821
Literally rick and morty "horror"

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jul 2019 15:35:40 No.10824839 Report

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>>10824821
Welcome to the neo-culture, we can go BEYOND vegan. We now can not only feel sorry for the plants, but the POSSIBILITY of plants being harmed as well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jul 2019 15:36:05 No.10824840 Report

Quoted By: >>10824842 >>10824859

>>10824786
Multiverse is a shit theory and has ruined countless stories and made me read insufferable comments about “in an alternate universe”. Never, ever use multiverse as a theory. I’m not talking about planes of oblivion - I’m talking about universes where on decision has been done differently. Don’t. You’ll ruin the story.

I don’t even know how multiverse came associated with physics because it’s bullshit the whole way through

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jul 2019 15:37:28 No.10824842 Report

Quoted By: >>10824848

>>10824840
You will eat those worlds when portals start sprouting out left right and center in a few hundred years.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jul 2019 15:41:31 No.10824848 Report

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>>10824842
Oh yeah? Which one of those will lead to a universe that can never be reached again? Oh right. There is none, because this universe is it. There is no escape from this universe. Based retard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jul 2019 15:43:21 No.10824853 Report

Quoted By: >>10824855 >>10824865 >>10824899

>>10824836
>>10824839
I literally wouldn't give a fuck if there was another version of me on this right here planet.
How can someone get triggered by shit like multiverse?

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Anonymous Sun 21 Jul 2019 15:44:45 No.10824855 Report

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>>10824853
>Multiverse? LOL I LOVE RICK AND MORTY BRO!
>God? wtf man...religion is cringe.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jul 2019 15:46:42 No.10824859 Report

Quoted By: >>10824876 >>10825034

>>10824840
>I don’t even know how multiverse came associated with physics because it’s bullshit the whole way through
well first to clarify, the author of OP's linked article clearly is confused about what he means by "multiverse," at first he starts talking about how if you fly far enough (say in a rocket through outer space) you will end up in a separate universe, but then he mentions the many-worlds interpretation of QM, and for sure in many worlds you can't physically fly to the other "universes" of the MWI multiverse. the ones you could fly to come from the chaotic inflation multiverse, which is closely related to the string multiverse.

chaotic inflation multiverse (often called "bubble universes") came about in the early 1980's when Andre Linde started trying to improve on the work of Alan Guth, who invented the modern notion of cosmic inflation (and there's no multiverse in standard inflation a la Guth). and anyone with a good understanding of this kind of cosmology theory will tell you that Guth's calculations were nice, but speculative. he just threw out a model to fit the data using a lot of ad-hoc but reasonable assumptions, but for sure it's a ton of guesswork. and Linde's chaotic inflation maybe looked a bit prettier mathematically but are a whole lot uglier in terms of its implications, but it's still definitely a whole lot of guesswork.

now, Linde got famous for that, and his office at Stanford is very close to the team of string theorists at stanford, and their clown guru is Leonard Susskind, who played a big part in founding string theory (he was the first to interpret the sigma models as "strings", but for sure Veneziano wrote down the actual equations first).
1/2

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Anonymous Sun 21 Jul 2019 15:47:11 No.10824862 Report

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>>10824821
What kind of retarded boomer-tier modal realism is this guy on

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Anonymous Sun 21 Jul 2019 15:48:55 No.10824865 Report

Quoted By: >>10824875

>>10824853
To be an all encompassing God requires mercy on a grand scale, a scale so large that it encompasses the multiverse, in the end, our basic understanding of math allows for only two possible states, that which is, and that which is not. Unlike Rick Sanchez, who only cares about himself, They want to save them all. To create a singularity is to save the multiverse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7n9zJKhTeaU

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jul 2019 15:49:44 No.10824866 Report

Quoted By: >>10826449

>>10824786
>>10824821
>Multiverse is wrong because I don't like it

K E K. Sums up pop science.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jul 2019 15:52:15 No.10824875 Report

Quoted By: >>10824886

>>10824855
>>10824865
Guys could you please try to explain it without referencing a fucking American cartoon I've never watched?
This really isn't helping at all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jul 2019 15:54:32 No.10824876 Report

Quoted By: >>10824894 >>10825034

>>10824859
anyhow Lenny, as well as his team of disciples, are very invested in string theory as a result of his legacy in the early history of string theory (since basically everything else in lenny's career has been either debunked or not taken seriously, like technicolor was debunked and his black hole firewall stuff never led to anyone being convinced, except for of course Lenny who has claimed victory). and during the 90's and 2000's it became apparent that string theory would be in serious trouble if the universe's expansion is actually accelerating (a positive cosmological constant) instead of staying constant or slowing down. string theory basically couldn't make that work, and thus string theory wouldn't be compatible with reality, and then lenny's lone "accomplishment" in life would be debunked. and then the measurements came in -- the expansion was accelerating, so uh oh.

so Lenny's disciples like Kachru and Kallosh were assigned to figure out how to patch up string theory and make it work, since the normal state of affairs in string theory was not working to be able to be compatible with that. and during that same period of time a lot of excitement was generated in non-string theory models like Arkani-Hamed/Dimopolous/Dvali and Randall-Sundrum where you could make magic things happen by claiming that there are large extra dimensions, like e.g. in randall sundrum we're on a 4D sheet in a 5D space separated from another 4D sheet where gravity is stuck, and gravity is weak because it needs to tunnel across space to our sheet, you know, pretty wacky. but Polchinski had recently popularized "D-branes" which are basically that sort of sheet, so Kachru and Kallosh were like "hey, we could do that, just with string theory!"

2/3 actually....

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jul 2019 15:57:54 No.10824886 Report

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>>10824875
Should multiverse exist, so too do the worlds where what you and me might ascribe as 'gods'. Therefor, if this is the fate that the world has chosen, and portals are real, then this proves that afterlives are real. If our world can connect to a portal, birthed from our model of physics, to a world that ignores our model of physics, we are living a great lie anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jul 2019 15:58:27 No.10824889 Report

Quoted By: >>10824893 >>10825548

Strange article. Someone, please explain what is main author's argument against many-worlds?
Tough this guy merge multiverse and manyworlds

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jul 2019 16:00:22 No.10824893 Report

Quoted By: >>10824909

>>10824889
Main argument, condensed;
"The mess of worlds and afterlives is allowing people to be loose with their morals. Culture is falling apart."
While this may be true, a culture based on lies, is doomed when faced with truth.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jul 2019 16:00:23 No.10824894 Report

Quoted By: >>10825034

>>10824876
so they got to work trying to cook up something using branes and weird crap like Randall-Sundrum. they ended up with a wacky set of branes, like some big stack of D-branes being pulled on by another anti-D brane, and what it gave them was just the _possibility_ of having a string theory consistent with accelerating expansion. but it still wasn't a sure thing. there could still be a ton of other stuff coming out of their crap that didn't have accelerating expansion. this has something to do with "moduli" and finding a particular way string theory could compactify, which can happen in many ways.

so that sucked, but they were like "hey, let's go talk to Linde down the hall", and Linde was like "in soviet russia, citations get you!" so he was like "oh yeah, we can make that work. just use some chaotic inflation magic and you get all these wacko things for free, so for sure your one corner possibility of landing on an accelerating universe despite it being highly unlikely is totally fine if you use chaotic inflation!"

they called this the KKLT mechanism, and it was considered so great, since they saved string theory. wow! and then Lenny was like "hehe, step 3: profit!" and wrote a bestselling book about this stuff, and shilled it super hard

anyhow years later, an actual non-clown, in particular based Vafa, has revisited this crazy crap, and people aren't taking it as seriously any more.

3/3

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Anonymous Sun 21 Jul 2019 16:01:04 No.10824895 Report

Quoted By: >>10824903 >>10824907 >>10826233

>>10824821
This is utterly retarded. He's somehow gotten it into his head that nothing he does means anything because he could have done something else in another reality.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jul 2019 16:02:24 No.10824899 Report

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>>10824853
the brainlet didnt even read the article

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jul 2019 16:04:24 No.10824903 Report

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>>10824895
All while ignoring that every action will well up probabilities of negativity and/or positivity in his surrounding area.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jul 2019 16:04:51 No.10824907 Report

Quoted By: >>10824921

>>10824895
no, not only that, he is also working from the premise of his continuous existence constantly creating new realities in which his alter ego dies horribly and can't bear the thought of it, therefore fuck you guys, this shit makes me feel bad and therefore I declare it haram

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jul 2019 16:06:10 No.10824909 Report

Quoted By: >>10824938 >>10824949

>>10824893
And how this relate to science?
Also manyworlds have no way to travel between universes, and multiverse (that is more arguable) have no way to travel between universes, and both of them experimentally unprovable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jul 2019 16:09:14 No.10824921 Report

Quoted By: >>10824946

>>10824907
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTIIMJ9tUc8
What about all the worlds where he is The Penultimate Author of Reality? Where culture bows before his majestic penmanship and his word is law! Where culture speaks only his praise! Savior of All People!~

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Anonymous Sun 21 Jul 2019 16:13:02 No.10824938 Report

Quoted By: >>10824953 >>10824954 >>10825555 >>10825614

>>10824909
>anyworlds have no way to travel between universes, and multiverse (that is more arguable) have no way to travel between universes
Yet. We have no way of doing this, yet. We will have to explore the universe to prove this. This implies pulling out big toys. Rockets, gravity generators, the works. However, a word of caution to this tale, should God be real, he will either be pissed at us for breaking the veil of reality, or welcome us with open arms. This depends severely on our creators personality...

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Anonymous Sun 21 Jul 2019 16:15:38 No.10824946 Report

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>>10824921
lol good video, pretty ebin. that guy is gay right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jul 2019 16:16:39 No.10824949 Report

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>>10824909
Its not science related, its dumb people making dumb extrapolation.

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Anonymous Sun 21 Jul 2019 16:17:37 No.10824953 Report

Quoted By: >>10824970

>>10824938
If he even had one to begin with, in which case, nothing exists except space and you...and you are just a thought.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZJ9Wb7vSoI

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jul 2019 16:17:39 No.10824954 Report

Quoted By: >>10824981

>>10824938
Decoherence means it will never be possible to join them together again.

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Anonymous Sun 21 Jul 2019 16:19:09 No.10824956 Report

Quoted By: >>10825547 >>10826593

Alright lads, when people say "infinite," how many universes are we talking about? Countable, uncountable, ...?

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Anonymous Sun 21 Jul 2019 16:23:24 No.10824970 Report

Quoted By: >>10826425

>>10824953
>that thread where we discussed that we may be living in a simulation
>tfw he is probably a CS major
It's as if the game was rigged from the start...

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jul 2019 16:25:35 No.10824981 Report

Quoted By: >>10825053

>>10824954
Which ones are we talking about here chief?
I am almost certain we could pull off a Mario and start collecting star energy to blast a hole in this universe. We would need an AI to keep us alive for a few millennia while we collect though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jul 2019 16:39:47 No.10825034 Report

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>>10824859
>>10824876
>>10824894
Quality. We need more of this contributions. Thank you anon

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Anonymous Sun 21 Jul 2019 16:45:33 No.10825053 Report

Quoted By: >>10825080

>>10824981
You are playing with fire here, what happens if you true vacuum everything into oblivion?! What happens if you have to devour the next universe to attempt another convergence event?! You would become a cosmic vampire, parasitising world after world, universe upon universe, in a desperate attempt to get back to your own or your creators...

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Anonymous Sun 21 Jul 2019 16:58:55 No.10825080 Report

Quoted By: >>10825090

>>10825053
Well that's the ultimate gamble isn't it? If daddy doesn't love us, the world gets destroyed. If daddy doesn't care, it goes either way and we find out, if he does, then we found his hideaway. It's perfect. Perfect even! AhahahahahahahahahahahAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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Anonymous Sun 21 Jul 2019 17:02:31 No.10825090 Report

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>>10825080
Jesus, and I thought I had issues...

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jul 2019 17:07:03 No.10825100 Report

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>>10824799
>plenty of physicists don’t like that shit, even famous string theorists like Ed Witten and David Gross

No, they do not like it purely because it may mean the end of predictivity for fundamental constants. They still take the idea of inflationary and/or string theory multiverse quite seriously.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jul 2019 17:09:18 No.10825103 Report

Quoted By: >>10825108 >>10825120 >>10828970

>>10824786
Reminder that the are like 9 very, fundamentally, different types of multiverse theories. Like literally talking about outright different concepts. Some of these are quite accepted as very plausible, some are total crackpottery.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse#Brian_Greene%27s_nine_types

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jul 2019 17:11:18 No.10825108 Report

Quoted By: >>10828970

>>10825103
yeah, actually confusing different versions of multiverse is an easy way to spot scientific illiterates like the author of OP's paper. clearly he didn't even wikipedia what he was writing about before he made this cringeworthy REEEE blogpost. normies are retarded.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jul 2019 17:15:04 No.10825120 Report

Quoted By: >>10825136 >>10828970

>>10825103
He clearly states many worlds as his interpretation of what is causing the supposed 'destruction' of "culture".

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jul 2019 17:19:32 No.10825136 Report

Quoted By: >>10825142

>>10825120
and yet he claims:
>Fly upwards from the plane of our solar system, keep on going, through the endless huddles of galaxies, never forgetting your purpose, until space and time run out altogether. Eventually you’ll find yourself in another universe
which is not at all what MWI says. you can't fly to other branches in the MWI multiverse, that's just wrong. he's a retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jul 2019 17:21:07 No.10825142 Report

Quoted By: >>10825148 >>10825154

>>10825136
Except in the universes where you can.
;D

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jul 2019 17:22:23 No.10825148 Report

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>>10825142
FTFY. NO. I MEAN IT. I AM GOING FULL EMPEROR ZOG ON YOUR ASS. I WILL DRAG YOU ON A SPACESHIP AND PROVE TO YOUR SORRY ASS THERE IS NOTHING OUT THERE. YOU ABSOLUTE MONGOLOID.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jul 2019 17:22:39 No.10825150 Report

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>FUCK truth! It's fucking with my human cattle's brains! Do you know how hard it is to herd human cattle and stop them from rioting against my rule all the time??

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jul 2019 17:23:57 No.10825154 Report

Quoted By: >>10825172

>>10825142
no, MWI has nothing to do with that. MWI simply is about the schrodinger equation of old fashioned quantum mechanics, and has none of the "the laws could change in different universes" which you only see really in the string multiverse or the more wacky philosophical ones like the Tegmark "all math in the platonic universe manifests in the hyper-multiverse". MWI just says "schrodinger equation, basta", nothing meta

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Anonymous Sun 21 Jul 2019 17:30:35 No.10825172 Report

Quoted By: >>10825192

>>10825154
Yet Schrodingers equation takes into account energy in a radiating state, which all matter that constitutes of quarks can be arranged in, thus matter and antimatter and dark matter can be configured from a single set of visible compositions, implying the possibility of universes with alternative physics is not only possible, but factual. Nothing meta about it, except the implications.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jul 2019 17:32:29 No.10825176 Report

Quoted By: >>10825196

>>10824786
>Honestly, fuck physicists for ruining culture.
Multiverse is >>>/x/ tier. Please leave.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jul 2019 17:36:49 No.10825189 Report

Quoted By: >>10826208

>>10824821
And there aren't infinite realities where you either jump or don't jump? Was this shit written by a turbobrainlet? If anything, the implication would be that your choices is irrelevant since all options occur anyways.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jul 2019 17:38:45 No.10825192 Report

Quoted By: >>10825236

>>10825172
anon, you're making shit up. schrodinger's equation doesn't even work for quarks because quarks are often relativistic, which is why modern QCD and nuclear physics is based on relativistic quantum field theory, not schrodinger's equation of old-fashioned QM.

the argument you're trying to make might be a bit more tenable if you went to the context of QFT, but it's not worth it to share it with you, since people like you who try to talk out their ass about things they have no understanding of don't deserve to get an explanation since they will probably misunderstand it and go on saying stupid shit nonetheless

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jul 2019 17:41:07 No.10825196 Report

Quoted By: >>10825212

>>10825176
It's not though. That's just what some brainlets on here repeat ad nauseam so they think it's true. At best, it's not settled. That's all you can really say about it. You can't really declare it as "bunk" since it's an active area of research in physics circles. It may never be settled, but it can't be ruled out either. It's multiverse agnosticism.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jul 2019 17:45:21 No.10825212 Report

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>>10825196
>That's just what some brainlets on here repeat ad nauseam
no, they're not brainlets, they're /pol/tards and godtards who get threatened by it, the logic is something something affront to god something

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jul 2019 17:54:45 No.10825236 Report

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>>10825192
Potato potato, you are a tomato. When the first portal is built you will eat your words.

Sage

Sage Sun 21 Jul 2019 18:00:12 No.10825262 Report

Quoted By: >>10825270 >>10833189

>>10824786
>No archive link
http://archive.is/P1piu

Sage

Sage Sun 21 Jul 2019 18:01:51 No.10825270 Report

Quoted By: >>10825277 >>10825284

>>10825262
Also the many-worlds interpretation is literally experimentally untestable and unprovable. It's literally I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE-tier

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jul 2019 18:03:56 No.10825277 Report

Quoted By: >>10825293

>>10825270
>unproveable
>making a hole in the very fabric of space-time is impossible
Pick one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jul 2019 18:06:27 No.10825284 Report

Quoted By: >>10825323

>>10825270
all interpretations are not testable, since they all are just interpretations of the exact same physical theory. how you try to envision what the math represents doesn't change the numbers you get out of your math. that said, most physicists and mathematicians do try to visualize their theories, and interpretations of QM are exercises in trying to visualize how quantum theory works. attacking one interpretation over another is basically arguing over aesthetics, so it's legitimate to prefer whatever interpetation you want. your argument basically boils down to "no! don't try and visualize how the theory works! that's IFL-tier" which is a brainlet opinion

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jul 2019 18:09:22 No.10825293 Report

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>>10825277
You literally can't thanks to Higgs Field. It will just make mass when you try to rip it apart.

Sage

Sage Sun 21 Jul 2019 18:21:35 No.10825323 Report

Quoted By: >>10825346

>>10825284
Except this is fucking physics,not mathematics. Whereas with mathematics everything that can be proven and shown to be valid is true, you have to use experimental data to test whether a theory is valid or not (physics being an empirical science and all), which becomes a fucking problem when the thing you are testing is literally untestable due to the nature of reality. You can visualize all the bullshit you want, but this isn't math, where a good and accurate visualization of the mathematics makes it pro bono true *alongside a valid proof of it of course). You need experimental data to verify what you are saying and so far there's pretty much been next to no (if any) experimental data confirming or denying a multiverse of any sort, to which the smart person responds with agnosticism. The brainlet goes ahead and says that the math is proof of a multiverse (in an empirical field no less).

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jul 2019 18:31:58 No.10825346 Report

Quoted By: >>10825389

>>10825323
yes, nobody claims that MWI is a "proof" of any sort of multiverse. and nobody considers MWI to be a "theory" in the physical sense, since it's physically equivalent to quantum mechanics without any interpretation.

it seems like you're advocating for the "shut up and calculate" interpretation of quantum mechanics, which is acceptable too. but for sure anyone who's ever done undergrad QM needs to have some mental picture, at least of the math going on, take for example the classic visualizations of hilbert spaces. nobody ever studies spin in class without the professor drawing at least one x-y plane on the board for a visual aide. visual aides are basically essential to understanding QM, and i'm sure one could write a computer program that can solve all the problems in griffiths or Shankar, and obviously no understanding or interpretation is needed by the computer. but i think a computer isn't going to make the next development in theoretical physics, and theoretical physics are always throwing around weird ideas they describe in terms of visual aides.

if you have a problem with the fact that normies watch rick and morty and start shitposting retarded crap like this idiot here talking about portals, then don't blame the physicists, blame the retarded normies

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jul 2019 18:44:29 No.10825389 Report

Quoted By: >>10825395

>>10825346
MWI is a theory. To prove it would need testing of the very boundaries of space and time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jul 2019 18:46:04 No.10825395 Report

Quoted By: >>10825401

>>10825389
MWI stands for "Many-Worlds Interpretation". it's an interpretation. it has nothing to do with the "boundaries of space and time"

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jul 2019 18:48:02 No.10825401 Report

Quoted By: >>10825439

>>10825395
It's an interpretation of a theory.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jul 2019 18:48:52 No.10825404 Report

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>>10824786
>Christianity is the better answer because argument from consequences fallacy

What a shitty article.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jul 2019 19:00:19 No.10825439 Report

Quoted By: >>10825465

>>10825401
sure, what's your point?

let me give you a more simple example, classical electrostatics. a current along a wire, say a positive current going right. in E&M you could visualize this by imagining positive charges moving right, or negative charges moving left. they're the same thing in classical E&M. or you could get a little more creative and think of them as "holes" (the absence of charge in a region filled with charge). because classical E&M doesn't describe what charges are carried by nor made of, they're all just equivalent interpretations of E&M. in the end it doesn't matter how you look at it, unless you go to better theories like modern physics where in solid state physics we know about quantized things like electrons that carry charge and how most of the time we know things are electrons or "holes" in electron bands, and not positrons/"holes" in positron bands

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jul 2019 19:10:26 No.10825465 Report

Quoted By: >>10825533

>>10825439
The point is that an interpretation can either be correct or incorrect. Therefore, if there are developments in QFT that align with this interpretation it is indistinguishable from the theory itself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jul 2019 19:28:31 No.10825510 Report

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>>10824786
What makes anyone think that an alternate universe exists? Its just a fucking meme with no basis in reality. Why does everyone go along with this shit? This reminds me of when a nigger will believe a white person on stuff like science because they assume that they should know about it and dont want to look like fools. All you fags have no backbone. What would it take to make you question a scientist?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jul 2019 19:41:45 No.10825533 Report

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>>10825465
no, things in science can only be "correct or incorrect" (really, this is more subtle since things are always based on evidentiary support, and perfect philosophical true/false decisions aren't how it works, but i get what you mean) if they make predictions that can be checked with evidence. QM interpretations do not make any predictions that differ from shut-up-and-calculate QM or one another, so by definition they are not scientifically verifiable or falsifiable. so you're wrong.

QFT is definitely not where developments might arise to cast the interpretational issues into a new theory where they might correspond to some empirical fact. neither is string theory, nor any other mainstream theoretical field of physics currently being worked on. you'd need something that starts with a different formalism, since this goes deep to canonical quantization (like treating x and p as hermitian operators.... everything does this afaik). the only two examples i can come up with are: the classical deterministic local hidden variable theories that einstein tried his hand at, but basically the whole class of these are debunked by experiments, or something far-out like a more radical version of de-Broglie Bohm stuff (again, large classes of those are ruled out, so they have to be nonlocal hidden variable theories, which basically are empirically untestable since the meat of them is "hidden", so you'd need to unhide the nonlocal variables or something) or 't Hooft's cellular automata interpretation of QM (currently i think he is simply trying to explain QM and by construction doesn't try to propose anything that contracticts standard QM, but i could be wrong.... that shit is too wacky to read)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jul 2019 19:46:58 No.10825547 Report

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>>10824956
Depends. The many worlds interpretation says a differant worldline is created everytime a particle wave function collapses, so somewhere between a fuck-ton and a shit-load.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jul 2019 19:46:58 No.10825548 Report

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>>10824889
“Many worlds” (as in the QM interpretation) != multiverse.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jul 2019 19:50:39 No.10825555 Report

Quoted By: >>10825623

>>10824938
>where no one has gone before
>no one
>one
I'm pretty sure the word is "man". Tell me this didn't get mandella'd

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 21 Jul 2019 20:13:23 No.10825614 Report

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>>10824938
what a weird font, the cumulative angles add up to an optical illusion that makes the letters appear uneven, like it's trying to be wacky or zany, but when you look closer every line and angle is perfect

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jul 2019 20:17:04 No.10825623 Report

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>>10825555
had to look that one up, the original series said 'man' and the next generation with picard said 'one'

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Jul 2019 01:02:26 No.10826208 Report

Quoted By: >>10826217

>>10825189
>>10824821
There's actually a Batman comic where the multiverse is real and alternate universe evil Batman realizes that all his chooses are meaningless (because whatever you choose, the opposite happens in another universe). Gripped with extietential dread, evil alternate Batman decides that the only relevant choice he can make is to destroy the multiverse itself.

Strange comic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Jul 2019 01:04:29 No.10826217 Report

Quoted By:

>>10826208
not science or math

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Jul 2019 01:11:07 No.10826233 Report

Quoted By: >>10826444

>>10824895
Nigga Went full Owlman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-rl0tfQO9E

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Jul 2019 02:19:29 No.10826345 Report

Quoted By: >>10827617 >>10829006 >>10833758

>>10824786
I sadly read this article years ago when it first came out. I hate Multiverse shit as well, but the article seems to think that it permeates all culture outside of a few select properties (comics, science fiction shows, the occasional comedy or drama with sci-fi elements) And >>10824821 shows that the writer has an utterly brainlet tier understanding of the theory. If the theory was true in the way he thinks it is, there's a me getting cock and ball torture in some North Korean prison cell and another me lying on a gold bed snorting coke off giant slappable asses. I could care less about them or about any others.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Jul 2019 03:00:47 No.10826425 Report

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>>10824970
We're probably a master's thesis at a no name state university.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Jul 2019 03:03:49 No.10826434 Report

Quoted By: >>10826435

>>10824786
>>10824799
clamped

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Jul 2019 03:04:50 No.10826435 Report

Quoted By: >>10826437

>>10826434
haha good meme, you must be super high-IQ

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Jul 2019 03:05:49 No.10826437 Report

Quoted By: >>10826438

>>10826435
t. clamped

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Jul 2019 03:07:20 No.10826438 Report

Quoted By:

>>10826437
ROFL the high-IQ phenotype is like killing it, so funny

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Jul 2019 03:11:08 No.10826444 Report

Quoted By:

>>10826233
nigga that doesnpt make anysense, wouldn't there be infinite versions of owlman on that planet trying to do the same thing at infinite points in class, eventually one would succeed

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Jul 2019 03:15:02 No.10826449 Report

Quoted By: >>10826523

>>10824866
make some predictions about the multiverse

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Jul 2019 03:53:58 No.10826523 Report

Quoted By: >>10826604 >>10832400

>>10826449
I predict that it's just infinite copies of the same reality (causality and determinism rule out the idea that anything could have gone differently in our lives) or that there are universes that have different laws of physics and not really comparable to ours.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Jul 2019 04:31:17 No.10826593 Report

Quoted By:

>>10824956
Uncountable.
There's some equivalent of the diagonalization argument that can be made for whatever possibility space a multiverse might exist in.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Jul 2019 04:35:46 No.10826604 Report

Quoted By: >>10826612

>>10826523
Causality isn't a force and there's no reason it should necessarily be preserved as we know it under any known or unknown conditions.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Jul 2019 04:38:38 No.10826612 Report

Quoted By: >>10826633 >>10826647 >>10827662

>>10826604
It's just the height of stupidity to assume that things could have gone differently in these "parallel universes"

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Jul 2019 04:48:00 No.10826633 Report

Quoted By: >>10826643 >>10833217

>>10826612
If you're one of those people who think the probabilistic nature of really tiny things consequently creates branch realities, every one of them is by definition different in at least one way from the one in which we live. If you subscribe to the idea of causality being preserved in this situation, those differences are more likely than not to result in a butterfly effect divergence in events.

If you're one of those people who thinks that every permutation of states of and across both time and space exist independently in some kind of real but inaccessible uncountably infinite multiverse, it too logically follows that while there are infinitely many "universes" which are identical to the one we are experiencing now, there are also infinitely infinitely many that do not resemble ours in the slightest.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Jul 2019 04:51:26 No.10826643 Report

Quoted By: >>10826649

>>10826633
Chance does not exist on a macro scale. There is no butterfly affect and thus all the branch realities are identical to ours.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Jul 2019 04:52:23 No.10826647 Report

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>>10826612
no it's not, they wouldn't be a parallel universe if some other outcome didn't happen. they'd just be this universe

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Jul 2019 04:53:38 No.10826649 Report

Quoted By: >>10826653

>>10826643
The defining feature of branch realities, as in the reason you can call them "branch" realities, is their differences. Thus, based on the fundamental construction of the multiverse you are defining, they are not all the same.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Jul 2019 04:55:45 No.10826653 Report

Quoted By: >>10827492

>>10826649
Poor choice of words, I admit. But there is no way a quark's position being different in a parallel universe leads to Hitler winning Wourld War 2

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Jul 2019 06:02:20 No.10826775 Report

Quoted By: >>10827556

>>10824786
"Multiverse theory" AKA Many-worlds theory is non-falsifiable mysticism. Clamped.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Jul 2019 06:14:22 No.10826793 Report

Quoted By:

>>10824786
>physicists ruining culture
>theatlantic.com
L0Lno fgt pls

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Jul 2019 13:33:14 No.10827492 Report

Quoted By: >>10827590

>>10826653
Depends where and when.
A small divergence in the very early universe could lead to a "parallel world" where our entire solar system didn't form.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Jul 2019 14:20:25 No.10827556 Report

Quoted By: >>10827577

>>10826775
So is any quantum mechanics interpretation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Jul 2019 14:36:33 No.10827577 Report

Quoted By: >>10827581

>>10827556
Quantum mechanics is a popsci buzzword. You might as well just say really tiny physics.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Jul 2019 14:38:06 No.10827581 Report

Quoted By:

>>10827577
high IQ post right there

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Jul 2019 14:43:36 No.10827590 Report

Quoted By: >>10827605

>>10827492
Impossible.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Jul 2019 14:50:11 No.10827605 Report

Quoted By: >>10827608

>>10827590
The right difference in the right place in the incomprehensible soup the universe was just after it was born could mean that what might have been our entire galactic cluster ends up too spread out to coalesce while space expands.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Jul 2019 14:51:45 No.10827608 Report

Quoted By: >>10828179

>>10827605
How would this differences occur?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Jul 2019 14:54:16 No.10827612 Report

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>>10824821
But you aren't the jumping off point for all those other versions of yourself, if you die there are still infinite variations of yourself that continue to live and die in other universes

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Jul 2019 14:55:05 No.10827617 Report

Quoted By: >>10829816

>>10826345
>there's a me getting cock and ball torture in some North Korean prison cell and another me lying on a gold bed snorting coke off giant slappable asses
The duality of man, or rather in this case, the n-ality of man.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Jul 2019 15:18:55 No.10827662 Report

Quoted By: >>10827671

>>10826612
Wrong. Things can go different depending on different variations in particle physics.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Jul 2019 15:22:23 No.10827671 Report

Quoted By: >>10827685

>>10827662
Yes, but not in a way that's just "Rome never fell" or "Soviets won the Cold War" or "I'm a total chad in another timeline." or some escapist garbage like that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Jul 2019 15:28:37 No.10827685 Report

Quoted By: >>10828185

>>10827671
That's what would happen in MWI.

Suppose some of the oxygen particles didn't split off and caused Caeser to not die from the bleeding at the same time as it did in our timeline but instead lived for an extra 10 seconds to utter some another line. "Long live Rome!" How would Roman empire have changed? The butterfly effect of one particle change could be very different.

Your only objection is because its wishy-washy, which it is in many cases. But that's not a scientific objection, its a personal/conscientious objection. I don't particularly like the idea that Earth has a slighly bluish tint from space, but what can I do. I can't just say Earth shouldn't exist because its slightly bluish.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Jul 2019 15:30:24 No.10827687 Report

Quoted By:

FUCK you this is gay and retaeded

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Jul 2019 16:05:41 No.10827739 Report

Quoted By: >>10827756 >>10827884

>>10824786
The thing I can't quite get about MWI is why would there be new universes created by the wave function collapse- like, what observations is this hypothetical process supported by?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Jul 2019 16:16:20 No.10827756 Report

Quoted By: >>10829586

>>10827739
it’s based on looking at QM and the fact that wave function collapse in QM is actually pretty bizarre, i mean collapse is basically inserted “by hand” and it breaks normal schrodinger evolution. MWI basically is the idea that collapse isn’t actually real and the schrodinger equation is right and doesn’t magically stop working when your cat decides to die or not, or when you decide to open your cat euthanasia box

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Jul 2019 16:18:58 No.10827760 Report

Quoted By: >>10827894

>>10824786
"Multiverse" is theology at this point
A very dark and pseudo-nihilistic theology in which nothing matters
I hate Rick & Morty for this

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Jul 2019 16:59:50 No.10827846 Report

Quoted By:

>>10824821
>what happens in other universes is dependent on what happens in this one

No

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Jul 2019 17:13:29 No.10827871 Report

Quoted By:

>>10824786
>Karl Heim gave us a perfectly workable answer: God did it.
>but for some reason it’s generally rejected by the scientific community
what could be that reason?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Jul 2019 17:18:23 No.10827884 Report

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>>10827739
It follows from Schrodinger equation - it gives evolution of state over time, which looks like many worlds.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Jul 2019 17:29:09 No.10827894 Report

Quoted By: >>10828204

>>10827760
Honestly, Rick and Morty's take on the multiverse is the exact opposite of "le nothing matters" in my book. By having live life and seeing other (yous) in their own lives, it makes your choices matter. According to that take, there's a me who killed himself a few years back, a me living on the otherside of the country smoking pot and drinking cum. It's like saying driving on a highway is meaningless because of all the possible destinations when infact I don't care about the destinations of other mes, just me. And my "brothers" are bound to agree.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Jul 2019 20:13:02 No.10828179 Report

Quoted By: >>10828193

>>10827608
Tiny differences in the initial state of the universe just after the big bang lead to big differences after the universe expands.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Jul 2019 20:16:05 No.10828185 Report

Quoted By:

>>10827685
Earth doesn't have a blueish tint, the atmosphere scatters light in a way that results in more blue hitting your eyes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Jul 2019 20:20:46 No.10828193 Report

Quoted By:

>>10828179
How. Not when.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Jul 2019 20:24:08 No.10828204 Report

Quoted By:

>>10827894
What about all the universes where he is you and you is he? You would have an equal amount of anti yous and yous. In fact. My suspicion as to why there is no interaction between multiverses is because as soon as you decide to go left and the other you goes right the decoherence is too great to return you two together. Sure there might be a universe where it is possible, but if it's not this one? What can you do then? Nothing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Jul 2019 21:02:03 No.10828308 Report

Quoted By: >>10828498 >>10828501 >>10829431

Doesn't Schrodingers cat make it plausible that some humans are walking around with their own wave functions uncollapsed? So some day you could look at one of those humans, and thus collapse his wavefunction and there will be a 50% probability that he dies. Maybe even you are one of them. Maybe some day a stare will kill you. Scary.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Jul 2019 22:18:49 No.10828498 Report

Quoted By:

>>10828308
no. decoherence makes that impossible except maybe one part in a googolplex probability at best

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Jul 2019 22:22:45 No.10828501 Report

Quoted By:

>>10828308
>Doesn't Schrodingers cat make it plausible that some humans are walking around with their own wave functions uncollapsed?

.......No. Schrodinger’s cat is a bullshit misinterpretion that doesn’t match reality at all. ANY physical interaction could collapse it and biological systems are complex things that consist of billions of molecules interacting with eachother. There’s no possibility for uncollapsed wavefunctions in them.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 22 Jul 2019 22:29:10 No.10828513 Report

Quoted By:

>no, don't hate on my grant farm project!!!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Jul 2019 00:06:35 No.10828731 Report

Quoted By: >>10828916 >>10828922

>>10824786
>Honestly, fuck physicists for ruining culture.
Marvel movies and cartoons are "culture"?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Jul 2019 01:10:33 No.10828916 Report

Quoted By:

>>10828731
Yes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Jul 2019 01:11:56 No.10828922 Report

Quoted By: >>10828936

>>10828731
Marvel movies dominate cinema and permeate other platforms I would say they’re a big part of modern culture in the “””west”””

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Jul 2019 01:15:28 No.10828936 Report

Quoted By: >>10828941

>>10828922
Ask your layman who may go to see a funnybook movie because they want to watch spandex wearing quipsters punch CGI monsters if they believe that there's a multiverse and they devote much of their brain power to that, then the answer will probably be no.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Jul 2019 01:17:41 No.10828941 Report

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>>10828936
I agree but I never argued that the concept of a “multiverse” was propagated by marvel movies, just that Marvel is a pretty big part of modern entertainment.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Jul 2019 01:24:35 No.10828964 Report

Quoted By: >>10828974

People that treat 'multiverse' as necessarily meaning infinity universes are fucking moronic fucktards.There could be a multiverse with 3 universes. There could be a multiverse with 23095820692846 universes. It doesn't fucking have to be ?. And if the multiverse does exist, it does not consist of ? universes, I promise you that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Jul 2019 01:27:42 No.10828970 Report

Quoted By:

>>10825103
>>10825108
based
>>10825120
Worse. Many worlds does not necessarily mean ? universes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Jul 2019 01:28:15 No.10828974 Report

Quoted By: >>10828985

>>10828964
>. And if the multiverse does exist, it does not consist of ? universes, I promise you that.

How do you reach that conclusion?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Jul 2019 01:33:01 No.10828985 Report

Quoted By: >>10829005 >>10830122

>>10828974
? does not exist and cannot exist. Therefore, ? of something cannot exist simultaneously. The amount of something that exists must be a number and ? is not a number.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Jul 2019 01:39:20 No.10829005 Report

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>>10828985
>? does not exist and cannot exist

Prove it

>The amount of something that exists must be a number

Prove it

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 23 Jul 2019 01:39:27 No.10829006 Report

Quoted By:

>>10826345
my sides

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Jul 2019 01:59:46 No.10829053 Report

Quoted By:

>>10824786
>Infinite universes means that every possibility occurs in some universe
>I don't understand non-enumerable sets, the article

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Jul 2019 05:24:12 No.10829431 Report

Quoted By:

>>10828308
Before that you must be killed with 50% probability, and observation won't change the fact that you're 50% dead.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Jul 2019 06:14:16 No.10829530 Report

Quoted By:

>>10824786
>written by some hysteric nobody for The Atlantic three years ago
L0Lno fgt pls

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Jul 2019 06:37:03 No.10829569 Report

Quoted By:

Atheism was a mistake.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Jul 2019 06:47:44 No.10829586 Report

Quoted By:

>>10827756
The universe being random on small scales is more bizarre than MWI? I seriously cannot understand this reasoning.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Jul 2019 10:12:20 No.10829816 Report

Quoted By:

>>10827617
>the n-ality of man
Thanks for being a good poster

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Jul 2019 10:20:21 No.10829829 Report

Quoted By:

brainlet here is the mutliverse and many worlds interpretation the same thing?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Jul 2019 12:13:52 No.10830009 Report

Quoted By: >>10830070

>>10824821
Literall who gives a fuck? I am miserable now too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Jul 2019 12:54:42 No.10830070 Report

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>>10830009
You're only miserable now because another you chose not to be miserable. You need to find him and kill him or else it's impossible for you to ever be happy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Jul 2019 13:34:47 No.10830122 Report

Quoted By: >>10830139

>>10828985
? exists.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Jul 2019 13:45:53 No.10830139 Report

Quoted By: >>10830144

>>10830122
As a concept, not as an actual real number.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Jul 2019 13:47:46 No.10830144 Report

Quoted By: >>10830153

>>10830139
Prove that statement you just made

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Jul 2019 13:52:28 No.10830153 Report

Quoted By: >>10830157

>>10830144
If we freeze time and all molecular movement so that no new universes can be made and we could see all the universes that had been made with out machine and told it to count, it could count them all. Now that number is getting larger with every collapse but none the less the number is not infinity.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Jul 2019 13:54:35 No.10830157 Report

Quoted By: >>10830160

>>10830153
None of the words in this post form an argument that infinity isn't real.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Jul 2019 13:55:54 No.10830160 Report

Quoted By: >>10830179

>>10830157
Well, you prove that infinity is real, infinitylover.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Jul 2019 14:08:07 No.10830179 Report

Quoted By: >>10830181 >>10832161

>>10830160
What is the density of a singularity in principle?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Jul 2019 14:08:58 No.10830181 Report

Quoted By: >>10830187

>>10830179
Very dense but not infinite.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Jul 2019 14:11:17 No.10830187 Report

Quoted By: >>10830188

>>10830181
What is the size of a singularity?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Jul 2019 14:12:32 No.10830188 Report

Quoted By: >>10830192

>>10830187
Not infinite.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Jul 2019 14:12:48 No.10830189 Report

Quoted By:

>>10824821
>because if it does exist the implications are amazing. Right now, infinite versions of yourself are living long and comfortable lives, not in spite of the fact that you’re lazily posting on a Mongolian pottery forum, but because of it. Every second you live, their success increases. If you go to a gas station and decide not to buy that lottery ticket, how many billions get millions? Buy now, and save them all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Jul 2019 14:14:17 No.10830192 Report

Quoted By: >>10830193

>>10830188
Of course, a singularity is not infinite in size, but that doesn't answer my question.
How big is a singularity?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Jul 2019 14:15:31 No.10830193 Report

Quoted By: >>10830194

>>10830192
Measurable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Jul 2019 14:16:48 No.10830194 Report

Quoted By: >>10830196

>>10830193
That's a category of possible answers, not an answer.
How big is a singularity?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Jul 2019 14:18:18 No.10830196 Report

Quoted By: >>10830200

>>10830194
I dunno but I'd rather be tossed into one to find out than attempt to placate your brainlet need for answers only for your dumb ass to say "OOOO IT'S SO BIG ITS INFINITE! GOD IS REAL INFINITY IS REAL AAAAA YAY!!!"

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Jul 2019 14:19:36 No.10830200 Report

Quoted By: >>10830203

>>10830196
>big
Do you know what a singularity is, friend?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Jul 2019 14:20:35 No.10830203 Report

Quoted By: >>10830206

>>10830200
Yes, a very dense small point.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Jul 2019 14:21:19 No.10830206 Report

Quoted By: >>10830207

>>10830203
How small is it predicted to be?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Jul 2019 14:21:54 No.10830207 Report

Quoted By:

>>10830206
Pretty small.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Jul 2019 20:38:25 No.10831058 Report

Quoted By: >>10831078

>>10824821
>ooga booga me die
>me scare

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 23 Jul 2019 20:51:24 No.10831078 Report

Quoted By:

>>10831058

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Jul 2019 22:46:39 No.10831337 Report

Quoted By:

>>10824786
>not green texting the salient points
fuck you OP im not opening and giving clicks to that shit news media

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Jul 2019 06:00:31 No.10832161 Report

Quoted By:

>>10830179
Density isn't real though. Decoherence likely has a noise limit and can be discreet even if quantum states are continuous.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Jul 2019 06:12:39 No.10832197 Report

Quoted By: >>10832334 >>10833116 >>10833653

>>10824786
They unironically did. Post-modernism, Cultural Relativism and every "lol nothing is true" philosophy are natural extensions of the Copenhagen interpretation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Jul 2019 07:33:11 No.10832334 Report

Quoted By:

>>10832197
Yes, ideologies with their root in the 19th century are totally based on interpretations of quantum physics.

Those are all materialist views, based on the meaninglessness of a purely physical reality. The impetus behind many worlds fits much more in line with them. You probably watch Rick and Morty, you damn pinko.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 24 Jul 2019 08:03:03 No.10832389 Report

Quoted By: >>10832398 >>10833119 >>10833662

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Jul 2019 08:11:08 No.10832398 Report

Quoted By:

>>10832389
damn that's crazy

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Jul 2019 08:12:31 No.10832400 Report

Quoted By:

>>10826523
now can you test your prediction?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Jul 2019 17:22:07 No.10833116 Report

Quoted By:

>>10832197
lolno, postmodernism and cultural relativism are realization of globalization, and they are concepts about society, not about nature. Copenhagen is pretty old school, it has single reality which is also the single truth, no relativism.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Jul 2019 17:25:03 No.10833119 Report

Quoted By: >>10833675

>>10832389
low-iq meme

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Jul 2019 18:05:41 No.10833189 Report

Quoted By:

>>10824786
If our universe ends up being nothing but a massive Turing Machine-equivalent, then what else could it be but a multiverse?
If it's computable, someone, somewhere will eventually compute it.
Whoever runs those machines would have an infinite number of options of how to run those worlds, including how to decide apparently "random" stuff like nuclear decay. Maybe he rolls dice, but in that case those dice rolls would be a tape of "randomness" that encodes what our universe exactly is.
There is probably no way to "reach" those other universes, though.

>>10825262
Thanks. Wouldn't have wanted to give them a click for that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Jul 2019 18:07:40 No.10833193 Report

Quoted By:

>>10824786
>If there are an infinite number of parallel universes, there will be any number of terrible dictatorships, places where life has become very difficult for people who like to string words together. Somewhere out there, there’s a society in which every desperate little essay like this one comes with a tiny, unremarkable button: push it, and the author will be immediately electrocuted to death.
That's not what the multiverse is, in physics at least.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Jul 2019 18:19:08 No.10833217 Report

Quoted By:

>>10826633
>it too logically follows that while there are infinitely many "universes" which are identical to the one we are experiencing now, there are also infinitely infinitely many that do not resemble ours in the slightest.
While I largely agree with you, that "infinitely infinitely many" should probably be an "infinitely many".
Also, the idea of trying to distinguish between "identical" universes seems wrong. They are one and the same for all intents and purposes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Jul 2019 19:40:53 No.10833369 Report

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>>10824786
Then there exists a universe where there are no multiverses boom that’s us problem solved.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Jul 2019 19:53:23 No.10833398 Report

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>>10824786
>>10824821
>Appeal to consequences
This is why journalists ashould not be allowed to report on science.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Jul 2019 20:04:00 No.10833422 Report

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>>10824786
>_____ is rotting "culture"

Culture is a self-rotting system by its very nature.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Jul 2019 21:41:56 No.10833653 Report

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>>10832197
PoMo came after WW2. You know, the largest event in human history. It's not the result of a small number of some old faggots interpreting QM.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Jul 2019 21:44:46 No.10833662 Report

Quoted By: >>10833675

>>10832389
Good thing paradoxical situations include anyone who seriously laughs at terrible memes like this being anything above a bottom feeding troglodyte who deserves a painful death.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Jul 2019 21:47:59 No.10833675 Report

Quoted By: >>10833681

>>10833662
>>10833119
I'll have you know I enjoyed this meme and I'm at an average iq, thank you very much.It's a good meme, cmon, loosen up a little

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Jul 2019 21:49:12 No.10833681 Report

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>>10833675
Fuck off.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Jul 2019 22:11:14 No.10833758 Report

Quoted By: >>10833766

>>10826345
>couldn't care less
ftfy

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Jul 2019 22:13:34 No.10833766 Report

Quoted By: >>10833782

>>10833758
There's a timeline where I had better grammar. Fuck you and eat the shit that just came out of our assholes you fucking moron I say to him

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Jul 2019 22:17:53 No.10833782 Report

Quoted By: >>10833783 >>10833791

>>10833766
>There's a timeline where I
>where I
>timeline
When will this board stop mixing up MWI with the multiverse? If you just want to discuss MWI, go discuss it in the thread about MWI. This thread is about the multiverse.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Jul 2019 22:19:05 No.10833783 Report

Quoted By: >>10833831

>>10833782
Because the moron writer of the article OP is crying about MWI and not the Multiverse.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Jul 2019 22:20:06 No.10833791 Report

Quoted By: >>10833825

>>10833782

Also there's a universe where I wrote "universe" and not "timeline" meaning that your autism isn't triggered.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Jul 2019 22:25:39 No.10833825 Report

Quoted By: >>10833830

>>10833791
That doesn't make a lick of difference. It still shows your misunderstanding of what the multiverse is. There are no "alternative (You)s" in the multiverse. This is the many world interpretation of quantum mechanics. Two completely different things. And it is exasperating to see these things confused on this board all the friggin time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Jul 2019 22:26:28 No.10833830 Report

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>>10833825
K bud. Sorry. Will kill myself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Jul 2019 22:26:31 No.10833831 Report

Quoted By: >>10833851

>>10833783
Wow. Unbelievable. Glad I didn't read it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Jul 2019 22:28:21 No.10833838 Report

Quoted By: >>10833864

if multiverse theory is true then it means there is universe in which multiverse theory is false
scientists BTFO

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Jul 2019 22:30:38 No.10833851 Report

Quoted By: >>10833862

>>10833831
What the fuck did you think we were talking about?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Jul 2019 22:32:36 No.10833862 Report

Quoted By: >>10833868

>>10833851
As per the title of the article: the multiverse. Only to find MWI everywhere.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Jul 2019 22:33:06 No.10833864 Report

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>>10833838
not rly

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Jul 2019 22:33:49 No.10833868 Report

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>>10833862
Because the brainlet writer doesn't understand the difference.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Jul 2019 01:07:17 No.10834510 Report

Quoted By: >>10834513

>>10824799
Without the multiverse being pushed in popular culture, and the media, science would have to admit Intelligent Design as the only viable remaining theory behind the creation of the universe. It's not going anywhere.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Jul 2019 01:09:08 No.10834513 Report

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>>10834510
>science would have to admit Intelligent Design as the only viable remaining theory behind the creation of the universe.

Uh.......no.

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