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Anonymous Sun 20 Mar 03:09:27 2022 No.14319098 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>14332952 >>14333781 >>14338495

Could it ever be explained, how matter becomes conscious?

bodhi

bodhi Thu 24 Mar 2022 17:32:55 No.14331888 Report

Quoted By: >>14331932

>>14331231
>Your Deepak Chopra level musings have...?
100s of 1000s of years pseud half wit

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Mar 2022 17:33:06 No.14331889 Report

Quoted By: >>14331904

>>14331268
>It's impossible for scientific evidence to support your metaphysical dogma by definition.
How so?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Mar 2022 17:34:12 No.14331894 Report

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>>14331549
>Name a single such piece of "scientific evidence".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physics

bodhi

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bodhi Thu 24 Mar 2022 17:34:16 No.14331896 Report

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>>14330863

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Mar 2022 17:34:43 No.14331897 Report

Quoted By: >>14331972

>>14331882
I'm not even the same poster. I just find it amusing how profoundly retarded you are to think hypothetical, provisional products of your imagination have more grounds to be considered fundamental than the one and only thing you know for sure, and from which everything you base your abstract physical fantasies from stem. I don't know if consciousness is fundamental, but at least there is a rational case for it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Mar 2022 17:36:54 No.14331904 Report

Quoted By: >>14331949

>>14331889
>How so?
Your metaphysical dogma makes no testable predictions. It only imposes its philosophical baggage on empirical observations that could be utilized just the same under any other framework.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Mar 2022 17:40:43 No.14331917 Report

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>>14331555
>Not an argument.
An argument against what? Your baseless assumption that the soul = consciousness? Nothing to argue against.

>Nope.
Proof?

>Glasses aren't doing the perception
They are necessary for perception, how can you conclude they aren't fundamental to perception?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Mar 2022 17:42:52 No.14331932 Report

Quoted By: >>14331939

>>14331888
>100s of 1000s of years pseud half wit
Exactly, you have nothing but thousands of years of pseuds and half wits making up bullshit about the soul and consciousness. Thanks for admitting that, Deepak.

bodhi

bodhi Thu 24 Mar 2022 17:43:57 No.14331939 Report

Quoted By: >>14331981

>>14331932
you are stupid and need to go ahead and kys bugman. Your life is pointless as an npc anyway

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Mar 2022 17:46:04 No.14331949 Report

Quoted By: >>14331965 >>14331970 >>14332006

>>14331904
>Your metaphysical dogma makes no testable predictions.
Of course it does, it makes the prediction that you will never show any evidence of souls, magic, and all the other garbage you could come up with. And you keep proving it right every day.

>It only imposes its philosophical baggage on empirical observations that could be utilized just the same under any other framework.
Then where is it? Where's your science Deepak?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Mar 2022 17:48:00 No.14331965 Report

Quoted By: >>14331994

>>14331949
>b-b-but muh magick and muh souls
No idea what your mentally ill spergout was about, but my point stands.

bodhi

bodhi Thu 24 Mar 2022 17:48:31 No.14331970 Report

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>>14331949
its in my butthole, reach up there and get it bugman

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Mar 2022 17:48:39 No.14331972 Report

Quoted By: >>14331993

>>14331897
>I just find it amusing how profoundly retarded you are to think hypothetical, provisional products of your imagination have more grounds to be considered fundamental than the one and only thing you know for sure
Not more grounds, everything is on the same level of reality. But if you want to go ahead and be a solipsist that's fine by me. Don't complain when you get laughed at.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Mar 2022 17:50:18 No.14331981 Report

Quoted By: >>14332024

>>14331939
>REEEEEE YOU'RE NOT HUMAN
Deepak BTFO. Tell me when you have some evidence for your intellectual diarrhea.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Mar 2022 17:52:38 No.14331993 Report

Quoted By: >>14332003

>>14331972
>Not more grounds, everything is on the same level of reality.
No, your abstract fantasies are many layers removed from the one real thing you have access to.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Mar 2022 17:52:52 No.14331994 Report

Quoted By: >>14331999

>>14331965
Your point was refuted. You have no evidence for your Deepak Chopra level musings and never will.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Mar 2022 17:53:47 No.14331999 Report

Quoted By: >>14332006

>>14331994
Your metaphysical dogma makes no testable predictions. It only imposes its philosophical baggage on empirical observations that could be utilized just the same under any other framework. Sperging off about your cult's boogeymen is irrelevant and doesn't dispute this. You will never be human.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Mar 2022 17:55:16 No.14332003 Report

Quoted By: >>14332015

>>14331993
>No, your abstract fantasies are many layers removed from the one real thing you have access to.
Proof? All of physics says you're wrong. Why are you denying the results of hundreds of years of perception? What basis do you have to assume the instrument of your perception is fundamental? You literally have no argument.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Mar 2022 17:56:17 No.14332006 Report

Quoted By: >>14332021

>>14331999
>Your metaphysical dogma makes no testable predictions.
Wrong, see >>14331949

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Mar 2022 17:58:18 No.14332015 Report

Quoted By: >>14332039

>>14332003
>Proof?
Proof of what? It's true by definition. Just how retarded are you?

>Why are you denying the results of hundreds of years of perception?
I'm not denying anything, though. You can study the patterns in your perceptions, that is objectively all you are studying; anything beyond that is provisional fantasy that requires a mind to even conceive of.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Mar 2022 17:59:29 No.14332021 Report

Quoted By: >>14332044

>>14332006
I accept your full concession. You will never be intelligent. You will never be a scientist. You will never have my credentials or approach a fraction of my scientific accomplishments, but most importantly, you will never be human or repsected. :^)

bodhi

bodhi Thu 24 Mar 2022 18:00:09 No.14332024 Report

Quoted By: >>14332038

>>14331981
I have presented it here for years and it is air tight and irrefutable if you have a triple digit IQ. Me sharing my articles and proofs are the reason these threads even exist on this board bug man

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Mar 2022 18:03:16 No.14332038 Report

Quoted By: >>14332055

>>14332024
Based schizo. How can literal bugmen even compete?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Mar 2022 18:03:17 No.14332039 Report

Quoted By: >>14332052

>>14332015
>Proof of what?
Of your claim.

>It's true by definition.
How?

>I'm not denying anything, though.
You're denying all of physics.

>You can study the patterns in your perceptions, that is objectively all you are studying
No successful model says that. All successful models have matter and energy being fundamental rather than mind. Why is that? Where is your evidence?

>anything beyond that is provisional fantasy that requires a mind to even conceive of.
Again, you're confusing the necessity of the instrument with it being fundamental. You're saying glasses are fundamental just because you need them to see.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Mar 2022 18:04:18 No.14332044 Report

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>>14332021
>I accept your full concession
My concession that you're wrong? OK, thanks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Mar 2022 18:05:40 No.14332052 Report

Quoted By: >>14332246

>>14332039
>How?
Because all of it is literally a tentative philosophical interpretation of a model in your head. Just how stupid are you?

>You're denying all of physics.
Are you having a psychotic episode?

bodhi

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bodhi Thu 24 Mar 2022 18:06:33 No.14332055 Report

Quoted By: >>14332252

>>14332038
they cannot compete with the superior frog posting men of taste and sophistication

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Mar 2022 19:07:40 No.14332246 Report

Quoted By: >>14332253

>>14332052
>Because all of it is literally a tentative philosophical interpretation of a model in your head.
So is everything. How blind are you?

>Are you having a psychotic episode?
No.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Mar 2022 19:09:15 No.14332252 Report

Quoted By: >>14332257

>>14332055
So no evidence. Thanks for admitting you have nothing but intellectual diarrhea.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Mar 2022 19:09:19 No.14332253 Report

Quoted By: >>14332792

>>14332246
>So is everything
Thanks for confirming that NPCs don't have any direct experience at all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Mar 2022 19:10:21 No.14332257 Report

Quoted By: >>14332798

>>14332252
He owned you and he's off on his merry way while you continue to seethe and cope.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Mar 2022 22:05:51 No.14332792 Report

Quoted By: >>14332816

>>14332253
Doesn't follow. Your script is broken.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Mar 2022 22:06:52 No.14332798 Report

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>>14332257
>He owned you
LOL, where?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Mar 2022 22:12:32 No.14332816 Report

Quoted By: >>14332918

>>14332792
I accept your full concession, mongoloid.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Mar 2022 22:46:13 No.14332918 Report

Quoted By: >>14332938

>>14332816
That doesn't even make sense. You're broken.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Mar 2022 22:53:14 No.14332938 Report

Quoted By: >>14335362

>>14332918
I accept your full concession, mouth breather. Call me back when you develop a level of consciousness that allows you to distinguish between abstract wank and direct experience.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Mar 2022 22:56:31 No.14332952 Report

Quoted By: >>14332991

>>14319098
already has been explained, read dennet

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Mar 2022 23:05:29 No.14332991 Report

Quoted By: >>14333530

>>14332952
Dennet is an absolute Dunning-Kruger midwit. No one considers his sharts relevant in any way, least of all actual researchers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Mar 2022 00:09:29 No.14333193 Report

Quoted By:

>>14327626
>>the anon that thinks he has 140iq and is above the midwits
I don't blame him.
>>14329770
midwit beating around the bush lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Mar 2022 02:34:43 No.14333530 Report

Quoted By:

>>14332991
Dennet is a philosopher. Philosophy should be banned.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Mar 2022 02:38:37 No.14333533 Report

Quoted By:

>>14320440
It doesn't, consciousness attaches itself to matter and uses it as a sustaining vessel.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Mar 2022 04:07:21 No.14333781 Report

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>>14319098
If you believe that Jesus Christ lived and died as a payment for your sins, as a living being with free will, God who provided Jesus Christ as the payment for your sins will save you, and allow you to live forever.... It's not a joke. The people who think it's fake don't know. Everything in your life will change is a very odd way. But only if you believe... for real. You can't fake it. Nothing will happen if you fake it. Everything the scientists say is a gigantic lie.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Mar 2022 16:46:02 No.14335362 Report

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>>14332938
Yup, you're broken. Try a different script.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 25 Mar 2022 17:00:39 No.14335406 Report

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>>14319134

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Mar 2022 05:31:52 No.14336940 Report

Quoted By:

>>14320063
>the organisms
how does matter give rise to an organism?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Mar 2022 05:32:52 No.14336943 Report

Quoted By:

>>14319134
so if i rub two rocks together long enough, theyll develop consciousness?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Mar 2022 06:01:50 No.14336991 Report

Quoted By:

>>14320440
the real question is how conscious started to doubt itself while stopped to question the existance of the matter

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Mar 2022 06:11:51 No.14337005 Report

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none of us is actually conscious. we react based on a cause and effect system, same as everything else in the universe. we can never die, because we were never alive in the first place.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 26 Mar 2022 07:46:08 No.14337078 Report

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Reading these threads over the years will make you a believer that not all of us are conscious.

Some people just do not know what it is we are talking about.

Take this guy for example.
>>14325697

To him consciousness is something completely different from what we understand. It's because he hasn't experienced it and can't, he simply isn't "on", he simply is not "there".

Welcome to the simulation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Mar 2022 20:25:54 No.14338495 Report

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>>14319098

>Could it ever be explained, how matter becomes conscious?

No

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