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Immovable vs Unstoppable

Anonymous Sat 09 Oct 19:49:28 2021 No.13733384 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>13733611 >>13733729 >>13733730

Solve for ?
You Venn?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Oct 2021 20:46:55 No.13733590 Report

Quoted By: >>13733594 >>13733608

>>13733584
We do, but we don't appreciate it...too much ego.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Oct 2021 20:48:06 No.13733594 Report

Quoted By: >>13733601 >>13733662

>>13733590
>We do
News to me. inb4 "God".

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Oct 2021 20:48:08 No.13733595 Report

Quoted By: >>13733600

>>13733588
It's cause/effect, random doesn't exist.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Oct 2021 20:50:34 No.13733600 Report

Quoted By: >>13733615

>>13733595
If random doesn't exist how can chaos exist?
if determinability exists why does interminability not exist?
In math interminability, unsolvable, etc. are all concepts that exist.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Oct 2021 20:50:37 No.13733601 Report

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>>13733594
I have too much ego too :(

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Oct 2021 20:52:01 No.13733608 Report

Quoted By: >>13733617

>>13733590
the one parent.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 09 Oct 2021 20:52:44 No.13733611 Report

Quoted By: >>13733625

>>13733550
>>13733384

"Undefined"

>>13733484
>>13733457
>>13733522

Regression.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Oct 2021 20:53:32 No.13733615 Report

Quoted By: >>13733631

>>13733600
Some things are open, some things are closed.
Random is an admission of ignorance, that's why we have to create it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Oct 2021 20:54:33 No.13733617 Report

Quoted By: >>13733622

>>13733608
Vacuums aren't neutral.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Oct 2021 20:55:27 No.13733622 Report

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>>13733617
who cares

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Oct 2021 20:55:48 No.13733625 Report

Quoted By: >>13733662

>>13733611
It is reiterative.
Getting warmer :D

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Oct 2021 20:57:11 No.13733631 Report

Quoted By: >>13733680

>>13733615
actually buddy some things are closed and open
rejecting randomness is ignorance.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 09 Oct 2021 20:58:44 No.13733633 Report

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>what guys talk about vs what girls talk about

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Oct 2021 21:04:26 No.13733662 Report

Quoted By: >>13733685

>>13733594
"Intuition"

>>13733625
Hmmm. "Negation". Chaos and order, negate each other.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Oct 2021 21:08:53 No.13733680 Report

Quoted By: >>13733693

>>13733631
Some closed things become open...we hope.
Pseudo random exists because random can't.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Oct 2021 21:10:42 No.13733685 Report

Quoted By: >>13733706

>>13733662
Does dominant negate submissive?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Oct 2021 21:12:20 No.13733693 Report

Quoted By: >>13733711

>>13733680
>random can't
prove it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Oct 2021 21:13:44 No.13733698 Report

Quoted By: >>13733712

>>13733581
The bigger it is the more likely it is to fall apart, which is constructive...from further away.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 09 Oct 2021 21:15:28 No.13733706 Report

Quoted By: >>13733717

>>13733685
Yes. Ultimately they are con-substantial to each other. Without people to dominate, dominion has nothing to rule and ceases to be definable as such.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Oct 2021 21:16:15 No.13733711 Report

Quoted By: >>13733716

>>13733693
I'm a determinist, not sure I can prove it but open to any options.
inb4 quantum, cos classical on human scale.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Oct 2021 21:16:40 No.13733712 Report

Quoted By: >>13733725 >>13733727

>>13733698
falling apart? the fuck are you talking about?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Oct 2021 21:17:44 No.13733716 Report

Quoted By: >>13733742

>>13733711
Randomness and determinism are not opposites.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Oct 2021 21:17:49 No.13733717 Report

Quoted By: >>13733748

>>13733706
Singularities don't exist, physically or abstractedly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Oct 2021 21:18:51 No.13733725 Report

Quoted By: >>13733790

>>13733712
Entropy

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Oct 2021 21:19:03 No.13733727 Report

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>>13733712
hes making an assumption about large systems for no reason

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Anonymous Sat 09 Oct 2021 21:19:40 No.13733729 Report

Quoted By: >>13733747

>>13733384
ez, it's Anarchy

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Oct 2021 21:20:04 No.13733730 Report

Quoted By: >>13733755

>>13733384
life

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Oct 2021 21:22:14 No.13733742 Report

Quoted By: >>13733779

>>13733716
Exclusionary though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Oct 2021 21:23:16 No.13733747 Report

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>>13733729
That's why I came here from /pol.

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Anonymous Sat 09 Oct 2021 21:23:17 No.13733748 Report

Quoted By: >>13733780

>>13733717
>Singularities don't exist
>single
>doesn't exist

So which is it?

>physically or abstractedly.
explain the difference and how they're independent from each other.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Oct 2021 21:24:38 No.13733755 Report

Quoted By: >>13733867

>>13733730
I'll give it to you. (/bow)
The answer is Evolution.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Oct 2021 21:30:26 No.13733779 Report

Quoted By: >>13733791

>>13733742
prove it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Oct 2021 21:30:32 No.13733780 Report

Quoted By: >>13733834

>>13733748
Every 'thing' is a process.
I can imagine things that can't possibly exist physically.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Oct 2021 21:32:22 No.13733790 Report

Quoted By: >>13733808

>>13733725
so?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Oct 2021 21:32:25 No.13733791 Report

Quoted By: >>13733810

>>13733779
"A FEW ANCIENT THINKERS, known as Atomists, fathered a line of thought, which claims that, in fact, randomness doesn’t exist. The most deterministic among them, Democritus, believed the entire state of the universe could be explained through cause and effect."....blah etc philosophy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Oct 2021 21:34:35 No.13733808 Report

Quoted By: >>13733818

>>13733790
Entropy= falling apart. As in everything is falling apart.
I'll tell you why if you ask nicely :O

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Oct 2021 21:34:54 No.13733810 Report

Quoted By: >>13733820

>>13733791
That's not a proof, retard.
a system can be locally predictable (ordered) but highly unpredictable at a larger scale.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Oct 2021 21:35:55 No.13733818 Report

Quoted By: >>13733830

>>13733808
Now tell me about complexity and order.
getting it yet?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Oct 2021 21:36:17 No.13733820 Report

Quoted By: >>13733836

>>13733810
Different systems obv.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Oct 2021 21:37:59 No.13733830 Report

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>>13733818
Mate we have our winner. Read back through the thread for your aahaaa moment.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Oct 2021 21:38:20 No.13733834 Report

Quoted By: >>13733968

>>13733780
>Every 'thing' is a process.
Like "negation". For how could something that negates..."exist"? It negates that which does exist and as a result is nothing specific in and of "itself" by necessity of that "process".

>I can imagine things that can't possibly exist physically.
So could the millions of others before you who had such imaginations realized in the physical world.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Oct 2021 21:38:45 No.13733836 Report

Quoted By: >>13733931

>>13733820
Yes but it's simple for the interval, but the larger system is generally unpredictable though.
which actually make them the same on the interval, but not equal globally.
This is basically true about the world we live in, you should be use to this idea.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Oct 2021 21:45:03 No.13733867 Report

Quoted By: >>13733915 >>13733921

>>13733755
meh, evolution and life are arbitrary. do you have a good argument for evolution to actually be a thing and not just a cycle/oscillator.

Perhaps the real middle answer is oscillators. or perhaps, potential switchers. Actionables? idk there are a lot of things that already do poses both traits of chaos and order and aren't evolutionary or lifelike.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Oct 2021 21:53:16 No.13733915 Report

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>>13733867
Feedback loops are fundamental to living systems.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Oct 2021 21:54:45 No.13733921 Report

Quoted By: >>13733934

>>13733867
Sorry, yes. Evolution emerges from the fundamental dichotomy of Chaos n Order.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Oct 2021 21:56:10 No.13733931 Report

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>>13733836
Welcome to the onion ;D

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Oct 2021 21:56:50 No.13733934 Report

Quoted By: >>13733955 >>13734002

>>13733921
theres no reason a hydrogen only universe couldn't exist, what evolution would happen.

or to you, is evolution just a cyclical order that is procedurally generated?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Oct 2021 22:02:03 No.13733955 Report

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>>13733934
Evolution is 'things' (localized) falling apart and consequently colliding with everything else falling apart. Evolution is things falling apart colliding.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Oct 2021 22:06:22 No.13733968 Report

Quoted By:

>>13733834
Positive repels negative. Nothing stops.
Imagination > Reality

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Oct 2021 22:12:21 No.13734002 Report

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>>13733934
Hydrogen has isotopes. Hydrogen clouds become stars et voila periodic tasrpanble.

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