>>3159007I wouldn't exactly call it subversive when characters are blatantly telling you off for loving the OT in the dialogue. Remember the scene where Kylo was telling Rey how the old way and old things had to die? What would be the point of that besides Rian giving the franchise and the fans a gigantic middle finger. It doesn't even stop there... Luke referring to the Jedi the way a fedora'd atheist would refer to Christianity. Yoda's Force Ghost burning sacred Jedi texts/ancient knowledge, because death to the old ways, right guys?!?!?!
Hell, that wasn't even the only blatant message with all the "stronk female characters" trashing classic rebel tactics. Hell, the rebellion was made through nigh-suicidal fly-by-the-seat-of-your-pants-and-hope-it-works plans and sacrifices, and yet the writers repeatably trash those sorts of strategies in TLJ (even going so far as to have Holdo wait until half the Resistance is destroyed before jumping into action; for not immediately jumping to Poe acknowledging the sand-skimmer mission as a suicide run and leading the charge down that cannon himself/interrupting Finn's noble self-sacrifice).
TLJ is horrible because it's poorly written/directed by people who obviously hate Star Wars and refuse to treat the franchise with the respect and gravity it deserves. They'd rather push an agenda, break the universe, and ruin archetypal characters (not that they respect even their own characters). It really was a gigantic middle finger.
>>3159455It was better than I thought it was going to be, but not by much. The more I think about it the angrier I get. That said, I did think the adventures of Finn and Rose were cute, and that the only really likable character was BB-8. Sure, there were scenes and quips I enjoyed, but most of the "witty" one-liners, fights, and lack of decent characterization really detracted from the movie. Hell, I thought the whole Kylo/Rey thing was contrived and annoying, etc.
