>>14404952When one takes for example empty space, and calculates not by what is there, but the distance between objects, is nature is void at any state? Would you consider this dark expanse natural in any way, or given definition by the observer? I suppose that would depend on the persons definition of nature, and its scope and range, however if you are talking about the confined nature of our universe alone, then perhaps to you that space represents only that encapsulated definition. To me, that space is a range of eternal possibilities and speaks volumes of what lies outside it. However to you it likely wont matter as much, if your definition is within range of your axiom of natures scope. Nat vs Mat.