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Anonymous Tue 12 Apr 14:47:54 2022 No.14388446 View Reply Original Report

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Does anyone know have enough scientific knowledge to debunk this ReasonTV YouTube video?
The guy in the video claims that the social sciences can't predict the affects of gun legislation one way or the other and that most of the studies that claim to are actually flawed and even extremely biased but honestly this is really hard to believe. Literally everybody else disagrees with this literal who so I'm wondering if you any of you guys are able to fact check this guy's claims and debunk them. Thanks :)
> https://youtu.be/PgiQ-LmJGMY

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Anonymous Tue 12 Apr 2022 15:42:09 No.14388622 Report

Quoted By: >>14388731 >>14393622

>>14388446
Wow, so gun studies are as bad as mask studies.

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Anonymous Tue 12 Apr 2022 15:51:21 No.14388648 Report

Quoted By: >>14388731 >>14393622

>>14388446
>science on guns
there's no correlation. specifically, it's a -0.02 correlation, meaning technically more guns = less violence, but this "correlation" is so small anyone with a brain will know to ignore it. You can look at this in terms of states inside of countries or in terms of all countries in the world, they're very similar graphs.

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Anonymous Tue 12 Apr 2022 16:15:07 No.14388731 Report

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>>14388622
Fucking go take your retarded COVID conspiracy theories somewhere else and remember take your meds next time, schizo.
>>14388648
>there's no correlation.
false
>specifically, it's a -0.02 correlation,
Good job contradicting yourself. Where the fuck did you get this number from?
>meaning technically more guns = less violence
Patently false. Explain why countries with less guns have less violence compared to America.

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Anonymous Tue 12 Apr 2022 16:18:38 No.14388750 Report

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>>14388731
>Explain why countries with less guns have less violence compared to America.
A few explanations:
>Fewer negros
>High trust societies
>Americans are just more aggressive
I've no idea which one of those it could be.

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Anonymous Tue 12 Apr 2022 16:22:56 No.14388772 Report

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>>14388750
Canada has just as many black people in some places and less gun violence. first one debunked. high trust societies. what do you think makes a high trust society? it's one where you know you wont be in danger of gun violence due to proper gun regulation. Americans are just more aggressive. I don't think so. I've been to japan and there is defiantly aggression against women in particular happening in public all the time. No one there has guns though, so less gun violence.

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Anonymous Tue 12 Apr 2022 16:25:59 No.14388783 Report

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>>14388731

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Anonymous Tue 12 Apr 2022 16:26:47 No.14388787 Report

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>>14388750
Or maybe it's because other countries don't just let any unmedicated boomer schizo who wants a fucking murdering machine get one because of "muh freedumbz". hmmm, really going to need to think long and hard about that one.
Ffs, why are you being so disingenuous? are you trolling? or are you really this stupid?

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Anonymous Tue 12 Apr 2022 16:27:53 No.14388794 Report

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>>14388772
>Canada has just as many black people
Wrong, only 3.6% of the population are black.
>No one there has guns though, so less gun violence.
What about Switzerland? Also nice attempt to move the goal posts from "violence" to "gun violence". It's almost axiomatic that more guns leads to more gun violence, just like having a pool increase your probability of drowning in a pool.

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Anonymous Tue 12 Apr 2022 16:34:36 No.14388818 Report

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>>14388772
Thank you.
>>14388783
> www.GunFacts.info
Yeah, that doesn't sound biased at all...
>>14388794
OP here, as it turns out I'm actually Canadian so I can confirm that there are indeed Black communities here in Canada, which, I believe, was his point.
> It's almost axiomatic that more guns leads to more gun violence, just like having a pool increase your probability of drowning in a pool.
My point exactly, ergo clearly gun laws should reduce violence; which implies that the people in the above video are fucking lying.

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Anonymous Tue 12 Apr 2022 16:35:31 No.14388825 Report

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>>14388818
>ergo clearly gun laws should reduce violence
Not quite. It $might$ reduce gun violence, but there's no guarantee that it would reduce violence.

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Anonymous Tue 12 Apr 2022 16:36:36 No.14388835 Report

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>>14388731
>a tiny correlation means there's a correlation
imagine being filtered this hard by high-school stats lmao

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Anonymous Tue 12 Apr 2022 16:39:06 No.14388845 Report

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>>14388794
im just moving the goal posts to where there should be. if you want to talk about implications of gun regulation, then you're talking about gun violence, other types are unrelated. Also I'm talking about specific parts of Canada that have larger number of black people. Like Brampton or Downtown TO. Those places have less gun violence than some american cities with a black population proportionately lower than Brampton's or TO's

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Anonymous Tue 12 Apr 2022 16:39:49 No.14388848 Report

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>>14388835
He was baited by covid skeptic into responding to the thread.

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Anonymous Tue 12 Apr 2022 16:43:25 No.14388864 Report

Quoted By: >>14388890 >>14393622

>>14388845
>im just moving the goal posts to where there should be.
Okay, not having access to guns may indeed reduce gun violence. No one is really going to argue that removing guns from the population won't reduce the amount of gun violence. The standard question is why does America have such a high level of gun violence compared to other nations that have similar levels of gun ownership.

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Anonymous Tue 12 Apr 2022 16:48:34 No.14388878 Report

Quoted By: >>14388939 >>14393622

>>14388818
>yeah, that doesn't sound biased at all..
Use whatever source you'd like, my friend. The Home Office is usually pretty reliable
>My point exactly, ergo clearly gun laws should reduce violence; which implies that the people in the above video are fucking lying.
No, you've just moved the goal posts back again. Gun violence does not equate to all violence. If the removal of guns just leads to a spike in knife violence then there is no decrease in violence. Unless you eliminate the underlying cause of the violence, altering the method in which violence is enacted will not do anything.
>>14388845
See above

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Anonymous Tue 12 Apr 2022 16:52:29 No.14388890 Report

Quoted By: >>14393622

>>14388864
i think you should specify which nations you're talking about. Americans have higher levels of gun ownership, less regulation, and more gun violence than most of the the developed world. You could compare it to developing nations but then there's so many other differentiating factors, like those nations unstable governments and other conflicts.

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Anonymous Tue 12 Apr 2022 17:01:56 No.14388927 Report

Quoted By: >>14388968 >>14393622

>>14388446
>I know I'm indisputably correct despite having absolutely no evidence and being completely unable to verify or discredit any claims on the contrary
Regardless of whether increased gun control laws are necessary or not, you're a giga-brainlet NPC incapable of critical thought

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Anonymous Tue 12 Apr 2022 17:06:53 No.14388939 Report

Quoted By: >>14389005 >>14393622

>>14388878
>Use whatever source you'd like, my friend. The Home Office is usually pretty reliable
There are other reasons not related to gun control which explain why crime is going up. This is why I said it's biased. Correlation != causation.
>you've just moved the goal posts back again.
??? are you confusing me with this poster >>14388845? When did I move the goal post?
>Gun violence does not equate to all violence.
No one said it did.
>If the removal of guns just leads to a spike in knife violence then there is no decrease in violence.
1.) it almost certainly does because of the difference in the nature of the two weapons (try commuting a school or mass shooting with a knife).
2.) the video claims that it is impossible to establish that gun violence works PERIOD which is false.

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Anonymous Tue 12 Apr 2022 17:13:39 No.14388968 Report

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>>14388927
> You're an NPC for using your common-sense instead of trusting this random expert who contradicts hundreds of other experts, scientists, papers, and accumulated data in the field
Then I guess people who are not biologist or gender scientist but who have opinions on transgender, genderqueer, and intersex issues anyway are giga-brainlet NPC incapable of critical thought as well. huh, crazy.

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Anonymous Tue 12 Apr 2022 17:31:04 No.14389005 Report

Quoted By: >>14393622

>>14388939
You made the statement "ergo, gun laws should reduce violence". As shown, there are clearly far more factors at play that determine the rate of violence and that restricting access to guns does not necessarily reduce violence.
>it almost certainly does [...]
School shootings and other killing sprees make up an insignificantly small number of violent crimes committed per annum. All robberies, murders, assaults, rapes, endangerments, extortions, kidnappings and harrassments can occur just as easily with other weapons. Show me anywhere in the Western world where violent crimes plummeted following the introduction of more stringent gun control laws.

>>14388968
If you can critically assess new information presented to you, analyse the data and methodologies, be open to new information and be capable of refuting flawed information then you are a competent and rational individual regardless of your level of expertise in a subject. If you rigidly cling to your views as unchallengeable dogma, reject new information without consideration and say things like "I know I'm right, can someone please disprove this person on my behalf so I don't have to think" then you're an NPC. Why don't you reach out to the "hundreds of experts" you cite to refute your video for you?

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Anonymous Tue 12 Apr 2022 17:35:08 No.14389018 Report

Quoted By: >>14389028 >>14393622

>>14388731
>Explain why countries with less guns have less violence compared to America.
All of south america and africa have way less guns than America and they have way more violence compared to the US

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Anonymous Tue 12 Apr 2022 17:38:28 No.14389028 Report

Quoted By: >>14389100 >>14393622

>>14389018
true. But not normal countries that aren't in unique conflicts with their government or internally. Stable countries with less guns have less violence compared to America

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Anonymous Tue 12 Apr 2022 18:02:33 No.14389100 Report

Quoted By: >>14389749 >>14393622

>>14389028
So basically you will just ignore everything that doesn't fit in your narrative and dismiss it as "is not a stable country", if anything the US is one of the safest countries on the planet, because despite being the only country on the planet that has hundred of millions of guns in civilians hands and hundreds of millions people, it still manages to be have low violence and crime rates in comparison to the rest of the world.

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Anonymous Tue 12 Apr 2022 18:39:42 No.14389204 Report

Quoted By: >>14393622

and now look what happened in New York...

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Anonymous Tue 12 Apr 2022 21:38:19 No.14389749 Report

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>>14389100
> Argue about how guns increase violence where there might otherwise be none and how gun-control can help stop that.
> uhhhhmm akszchwually, what about Afghanistan, Syria, & South-Sudan?

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Anonymous Wed 13 Apr 2022 00:28:59 No.14390278 Report

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>>14388446
Social science isn't science, it is just the post-christian church.

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Anonymous Wed 13 Apr 2022 02:35:33 No.14390508 Report

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>>14388446
racial population stats predict gun crimes. gun laws don't regulate racial population stats.

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Anonymous Wed 13 Apr 2022 02:42:37 No.14390540 Report

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>>14390508
ooohh now you dun it! yew went and used facts! Dat wayyyysis!

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Anonymous Wed 13 Apr 2022 02:45:00 No.14390549 Report

Quoted By: >>14393622

>>14388731
>Explain why countries with less guns have less violence compared to America.
ummmmmmm they don't. lulz. vacation in Mexico and Brazil or any African country sometime, and actually leave the resort area.

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Anonymous Wed 13 Apr 2022 02:47:13 No.14390557 Report

Quoted By: >>14391079 >>14391080 >>14392795 >>14392827 >>14393622

>>14388446
The ONLY reason gun control has ever been pushed is to make political enemies more easy to genocide.

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Anonymous Wed 13 Apr 2022 07:40:45 No.14391079 Report

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>>14390557
Yeah, because the governments in England, Australia, and much of Europe want to genocide their citizens so badly -_-

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Anonymous Wed 13 Apr 2022 07:41:16 No.14391080 Report

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>>14390557
Yeah, because the governments in Canada, England, Australia, and much of Europe want to genocide their citizens so badly -_-

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Anonymous Wed 13 Apr 2022 14:41:25 No.14391752 Report

Quoted By: >>14393622

>>14390508
From a scientific perspective, why do blacks hold guns sideways?

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Anonymous Wed 13 Apr 2022 21:14:27 No.14392795 Report

Quoted By: >>14392884 >>14393622

>>14390557
America will not topple their government even as they will fuck them in the ass.
Otherwise Ted Cruz would be scared shitless to come back to Texas after he left his people to die during the last snowstorm.
Russians didn't have much guns and they were rioting all the time and last three times actually succeeded.

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Anonymous Wed 13 Apr 2022 21:15:47 No.14392801 Report

Quoted By: >>14393622

>>14388446
The only affect of gun control is that it makes it a bit harder to an hero.
Other than that, it depends on people - Switzerland, Nigeria, USA and Poland would have drastically different results.

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Anonymous Wed 13 Apr 2022 21:20:45 No.14392820 Report

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>>14391080

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Anonymous Wed 13 Apr 2022 21:23:29 No.14392827 Report

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>>14390557
Based
>>14391080
Cringe

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Anonymous Wed 13 Apr 2022 21:23:49 No.14392830 Report

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>>14388446
>ancaps believing in intellectual property
lol

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Anonymous Wed 13 Apr 2022 21:37:20 No.14392884 Report

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>>14392795
>America will not topple their government
No need for anyone to at this point, the US government is crashing and toppling itself. kek

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Anonymous Wed 13 Apr 2022 21:39:28 No.14392893 Report

Quoted By: >>14393622

>>14388731
>Fucking go take your retarded COVID conspiracy theories somewhere else and remember take your meds next time, schizo.
Cope harder. No epidemiological or non-fuckflawed evidence for masks. All you did was cause suicides and fuck up children's critical periods (knowingly, might I add).
The UK has been mask-free and fucking fine for months now.

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Anonymous Wed 13 Apr 2022 21:42:54 No.14392904 Report

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>>14392827
Ironic because every marxist communist pushed gun control, marxism is a failure.

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Anonymous Wed 13 Apr 2022 21:42:58 No.14392905 Report

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>>14391080
>because the governments in Canada, England, Australia, and much of Europe want to genocide their citizens so badly
they do. whites are being killed with vaccines, lab created viruses, diet misinformation, shit foods, sedentary lifestyles, and cheated out of elections via voter fraud.
Whites and white hispanics are being replaced by bussed in third worlder's (muslims, africans, carribbean islanders, south Americans) that are low I.Q. workers and easily controlled by the white elitist's in the upper echelon of society (rich 1% like Soros', Schwab's, Rothchild's, Gates, Buffet's, Koch's, Bloomberg's, etc.)

Basically Manson's same plan "helter skelter" shit is what the people in charge of western governments are doing.

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Anonymous Wed 13 Apr 2022 22:06:00 No.14392992 Report

Quoted By: >>14393616

>>14392904
Yes. But here, he was right.

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Anonymous Wed 13 Apr 2022 22:10:55 No.14393015 Report

Quoted By: >>14393418 >>14393622

>>14388446
Libertarians don't accept the concept of intellectual property.
Since you didn't sign any contract with McDonald's you can use the information in your head about McDonald's freely.

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Anonymous Wed 13 Apr 2022 22:22:31 No.14393053 Report

Quoted By: >>14393622

>>14388446
Gun ownership right is about to be able effectively defend yourself against individual assaults or against the government. With civilized citizens it's a non issue. But since you filled your country with violent minorities it's a bit complicated.
A practical solution: Don't allow guns for people below 90 IQ or people who receive welfare or people who were arrested for violence or theft in the past. Banning guns wouldn't stop niggers from killing the same amount of people with knifes (like how it happens in London). So just try to balance out the field a bit! If you think bans work then ban guns only in the problematic groups. If you think bans don't work then just don't ban guns in general.

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Anonymous Wed 13 Apr 2022 22:22:49 No.14393054 Report

Quoted By: >>14393622

>>14392904
>because every marxist communist pushed gun control
but only for their subjects and political enemies, not for themselves.

Gun control is about "control", by disarming certain groups of people leaving them helpless to the ones who remain armed (aka - the police, government, military, criminals)

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Anonymous Thu 14 Apr 2022 01:12:48 No.14393418 Report

Quoted By: >>14393422 >>14393470 >>14393622

>>14393015
and yet libertarians all simp for the right for corporations to kidnap you and sell your children into slavery for any reason, just as long as it's a private business. How do they reconcile this?

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Anonymous Thu 14 Apr 2022 01:14:47 No.14393422 Report

Quoted By: >>14393424 >>14393622

>>14393418
That's not real libertarianism

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Anonymous Thu 14 Apr 2022 01:16:13 No.14393424 Report

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>>14393422
It's literally part of the libertarian party platform

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Anonymous Thu 14 Apr 2022 01:46:59 No.14393470 Report

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>>14393418
It's sad some people actually believe this.

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Anonymous Thu 14 Apr 2022 01:48:27 No.14393474 Report

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>>14391080

They do in fact.
The thing is they also want to die too. They hate their neighbors, they hate themselves, and they ultimately wish reality would end in mutual suicide.
Such is the way of the eternal gnostic throughout history.

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Anonymous Thu 14 Apr 2022 02:43:37 No.14393607 Report

Quoted By: >>14393622

>>14388772
You have to be trolling. You aren't really this stupid, right?

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Anonymous Thu 14 Apr 2022 02:47:58 No.14393616 Report

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>>14392992
About what?

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Anonymous Thu 14 Apr 2022 02:48:59 No.14393622 Report

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>>14388446
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>>14393607
https://crimeresearch.org/2018/08/new-cprc-research-how-a-botched-study-fooled-the-world-about-the-u-s-share-of-mass-public-shootings-u-s-rate-is-lower-than-global-average/

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3671740

https://crimeresearch.org/2015/06/comparing-death-rates-from-mass-public-shootings-in-the-us-and-europe/

https://fee.org/articles/the-myth-that-the-us-leads-the-world-in-mass-shootings/

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Anonymous Thu 14 Apr 2022 02:50:55 No.14393628 Report

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>>14393622
I now support gun grabbing because of how much I hate mass repliers

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Anonymous Thu 14 Apr 2022 02:51:18 No.14393629 Report

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>>14393622
Well if some guy on 4chan says so it must be true!

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Anonymous Thu 14 Apr 2022 02:51:49 No.14393630 Report

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Anonymous Thu 14 Apr 2022 02:53:07 No.14393633 Report

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>>14393630
Correct. That word SHOULD be banned.

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Anonymous Thu 14 Apr 2022 04:08:24 No.14393774 Report

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>>14393633

A rose by any other name, would smell as sweet.

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Anonymous Thu 14 Apr 2022 04:19:17 No.14393786 Report

Quoted By: >>14393792

>>14393630
very true. blacks account for 60+% of violent crimes yet black males 12-50yrs old are only around 4% of the population.

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Anonymous Thu 14 Apr 2022 04:22:50 No.14393792 Report

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>>14393786
Blacks are a lot cooler than gay chinks

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Anonymous Thu 14 Apr 2022 04:33:21 No.14393814 Report

Quoted By: >>14393841

>>14393792
>Blacks are a lot cooler than gay chinks

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Anonymous Thu 14 Apr 2022 04:47:10 No.14393841 Report

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>>14393814
>Chinks engineer and release a virus that destroys the world economy and kills your social life for 2 years
>Black people are loud
Imagine being such a weak white racist that you think Blacks have to be at the bottom every time.

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Anonymous Thu 14 Apr 2022 04:47:15 No.14393842 Report

Quoted By: >>14393858

Comparing US gun violence to Europe is retarded, since the US is nothing like Europe, but is much more similar to other countries in the Americas, being frontier countries. Go ahead and compare US gun crime to any country south of the American border, where gun control is far more strict than even Canada yet their gun crime is astronomical.
Most gun crime in the US (as elsewhere in the Americas) is committed with illegally-obtained arms to begin with, so more gun control certainly won't help lower what is largely a gang problem to begin with. 2% of counties commit over half of the US's murders, while most counties don't see a single murder in decades.
https://crimeresearch.org/2017/04/number-murders-county-54-us-counties-2014-zero-murders-69-1-murder/

Mass shootings are a tiny fraction of homicides that are only popular because Columbine showed otherwise suicidal kids that there is in fact a way to get the attention they crave. The worst mass killing at a school in the US is still the Bath, Michigan bombing in 1927, and that's exactly the method that mass killers would turn to if they didn't have firearms. We should consider ourselves lucky that they pick something comparably weak like firearms over something like a large rental truck or utilizing fire/explosives.

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Anonymous Thu 14 Apr 2022 04:54:23 No.14393858 Report

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>>14393842
>2% of counties commit half of the US's murders
I should include that those 2% are, naturally, urban environments and represent 11% of the population, but still commit most of the murders. We have too many people and the entirety of the country is expected to suffer just because LA sucks.

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