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Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 18:29:13 2022 No.14341378 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>14341401 >>14341532 >>14341538 >>14343307 >>14344902

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/maps.13787

"Dagger of meteorite-iron"

What a fucking bullshit sensation shit. The truth is its just iron. Of course a nobelity of egypts gets shit 100 years before its time. This sensation article explains why modern söyence must be killed and we need to return to the 1800's rigourity.

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Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 18:38:12 No.14341401 Report

Quoted By: >>14341508

>>14341378
>https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/maps.12664
>We show that the composition of the blade (Fe plus 10.8 wt% Ni and 0.58 wt% Co), accurately determined through portable x-ray fluorescence spectrometry, strongly supports its meteoritic origin.
What's your problem with this conclusion?

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Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 18:40:15 No.14341406 Report

Quoted By: >>14341508

>The truth is its just iron...that happened to come from a meteor and we can prove it with with W, X, Y, Z specific methods
you're retarded if you don't see this as "paper-worthy"

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Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 19:10:39 No.14341508 Report

Quoted By: >>14341527 >>14341798 >>14343307

>>14341401
It supports nothing. These basic metals are in earth

>>14341406
You are a retard if you believe every nonsense as a fact

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Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 19:16:12 No.14341527 Report

Quoted By: >>14341537

>>14341508
>I don't know enough about basic physics and geology to understand the methodology
>so it must be nonsense
epic

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Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 19:17:09 No.14341531 Report

Quoted By: >>14341537

The blade is 100% stainless steel, invar. It just has nickel instead of carbon. The hilt is 100% gold.

This is just a metallurgical masterpiece. The japanese shit authors just claims that highest ancient egyptians weren't smart. But they fucking were.

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Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 19:17:38 No.14341532 Report

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>>14341378
>https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/maps.13787
a genuinely interesting read. thanks for sharing.

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Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 19:18:44 No.14341537 Report

Quoted By: >>14341548 >>14341551 >>14343307

>>14341527
>>14341531
But I do. Look my analysis below. its 0% chances that a meteorite has pure 11%-Ni invar. This paper was hastly done, with a presumption that the blade must be out-of-earth. Clear sensation-seeking.

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Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 19:19:12 No.14341538 Report

Quoted By: >>14341553

>>14341378
>The truth is its just iron.
It isn't just iron. It's a nickel-iron alloy that is characteristic of meteorites.

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Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 19:21:45 No.14341548 Report

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>>14341537
>0% chances that a meteorite has pure 11%-Ni invar.
It doesn't. It also contains 0.6% cobalt, and probably traces of other shit too.

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Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 19:22:36 No.14341551 Report

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>>14341537
>But I do
doubt
>with a presumption that the blade must be out-of-earth
weird that the opposite conclusion was met. how the fuck do you figure that?
>Look my analysis below
you didn't post one. kys sciencelet.

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Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 19:23:00 No.14341553 Report

Quoted By: >>14341556 >>14341579

>>14341538
Its not charastericstic of all meteorites, just iron ones.

Okay I might admit that the metal may have been from a found meteorite, but just might have been.

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Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 19:24:32 No.14341556 Report

Quoted By: >>14341568

>>14341553
>Its not charastericstic of all meteorites, just iron ones.
If you want to be really autistic, different iron meteorites have different ratios of nickel and iron. But that it's predominantly nickel and iron is characteristic of meteoric iron, not iron smelted by ancient man.

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Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 19:27:22 No.14341568 Report

Quoted By: >>14341593 >>14341597

>>14341556
Nah, people just take Iron Nickel meteorites as iron meteorites just to shit on ancient egyptians and claim everything was out of earth. Is this fucking stargate show or what?

Okay, maybe these metereorites have charasteric of being fucking pure iron-nickel (what odds fcuk same), but why wouldnt the ancient smart man just mix nickel with iron and thus made a perfect blade iron for his pharaoh?

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Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 19:29:19 No.14341576 Report

Quoted By: >>14341585 >>14341588 >>14341593 >>14341620 >>14343307

EVEN IF

EVEN IF THE

EVEN IF THE METAL IS OUT OF EARTH

THE BLADE IS NOT

and the news says it is. Fuck this.

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Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 19:29:51 No.14341579 Report

Quoted By: >>14341588

>>14341553
glad you concede you stupid fucking frog

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Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 19:30:52 No.14341585 Report

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>>14341576
what the actual fuck is wrong with your brain

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Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 19:31:57 No.14341588 Report

Quoted By: >>14341601

>>14341579
>>14341576

Meteorites and their metal can be found as there are thousands of men looking for them. It's sensation. Even if the metal is from space. Sensation news. Tabloid news.

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Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 19:33:15 No.14341593 Report

Quoted By: >>14341605 >>14341608

>>14341568
>>14341576
the dagger contains a specific alloy that is very unlikely to be accidentally made by ancient humans, and yet is relatively likely to be found in meteorites.
that's literally what the paper says. what fucking part don't you understand? which part do you reject?

am I dumb for assuming you have a good-faith reason to challenge the result? or are you just an angry incel?

yes I'm mad

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Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 19:33:28 No.14341596 Report

Quoted By: >>14341611

>>14341585
Seldom I have to admit that I was *partly* wrong. Its frustrating if you are a man. But you are a femoid

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Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 19:33:32 No.14341597 Report

Quoted By: >>14343445 >>14343448

>>14341568
>just to shit on ancient egyptians
There is nothing shit about that dagger, it's an incredible accomplishment. Meteoric iron is very difficult to forge, particularly at low temperatures, because it's very prone to cracking. That they were able to make the dagger so large, over 34 cm total with a blade over 20cm, is incredibly impressive. Modern blacksmiths claiming to make "meteoric" blades aren't making anything like this; modern blacksmiths will almost always blend the meteoric iron with modern iron to make it easier to work with. And they all forge it at much higher temperatures than this dagger was forged at.

If you think the meteoric origin of this dagger in any way demeans the Egyptians, then that's nothing more than a reflection of your ignorance. This dagger is a product of incredible craftsmanship.

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Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 19:34:15 No.14341601 Report

Quoted By: >>14341615

>>14341588
so you concede the paper is an accurate description of reality. thanks.

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Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 19:34:49 No.14341605 Report

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>>14341593
He seems to think that claiming the Egyptians used meteoric iron is somehow demeaning, which is just stupid.

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Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 19:35:03 No.14341608 Report

Quoted By: >>14341616 >>14343307

>>14341593
It seems you are a söyentist, perhaps a one of the authors.

In real science everything is debatable. Clearly you are not a scientist.

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Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 19:35:37 No.14341611 Report

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>>14341596
You are "not even wrong" faggot

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Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 19:36:09 No.14341615 Report

Quoted By: >>14341628 >>14341636

>>14341601
Well, the news that uses this article are like "aliens gave the pharaos dagger". Maybe the paper is somewhat accurate, did not even read it kek.

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Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 19:36:37 No.14341616 Report

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>>14341608
>perhaps a one of the authors
real schizo hours. I'm done with this shitty thread.

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Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 19:37:13 No.14341620 Report

Quoted By: >>14341631

>>14341576
Nobody claims the dagger was pulled out of the earth as a fully formed knife by the ancient egyptians. Obviously it was forged and ground, if you think anybody is disputing that then you're off your meds.

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Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 19:37:32 No.14341622 Report

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>>14341616
you are on 4chan. Go to reddit if you want schizo free shit and full of söy

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Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 19:38:12 No.14341628 Report

Quoted By: >>14341638

>>14341615
>Well, the news that uses this article are like "aliens gave the pharaos dagger".
What news agency is claiming this dagger was gifted by aliens?

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Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 19:38:34 No.14341631 Report

Quoted By: >>14341640

>>14341620
>>14341620
The news claims it. The news! Look at the news, moron. Clear click baits 100%.

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Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 19:39:24 No.14341636 Report

Quoted By: >>14343452

>>14341615
news is trash. imagine my fucking shock.

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Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 19:39:59 No.14341638 Report

Quoted By: >>14341641 >>14341655

>>14341628
https://www.iltalehti.fi/

New Stydy: Pharaoh Tutankhamon's Dagger is from Outer Space

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Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 19:40:16 No.14341640 Report

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>>14341631
Link me to some examples so I can laugh at them. I'm not finding much.

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Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 19:40:52 No.14341641 Report

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>>14341638
what garbage. imagine reading this and thinking it whas anything to do with the paper.

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Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 19:41:49 No.14341643 Report

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>>14341641
Imagine reading news and knowing 99% of it is bullshit. Such is life

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Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 19:45:05 No.14341651 Report

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But
"The result of the presented research also confirmed that a few ancient craftsmen during the Bronze Age, in the ancient Near East, knew how to make iron by smelting it from the earth's crust."

https://www.egypttoday.com/Article/4/113412/Was-King-Tutankhamun-s-dagger-made-of-materials-that-came

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Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 19:45:52 No.14341655 Report

Quoted By: >>14341665

>>14341638
I don't see any mention of aliens in this article. I don't speak finnish though so maybe it's been lost in translation? Do you have any english articles from news organizations claiming that aliens made this dagger?

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Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 19:49:38 No.14341665 Report

Quoted By: >>14341666

>>14341655
The phrasing especially indicates that the whole dagger came as from outer space, not the material. The finnish language in its true non-finglish form doesn't give a opportunity for nothing else.

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Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 19:50:33 No.14341666 Report

Quoted By: >>14341674

>>14341665
>The phrasing especially indicates that the whole dagger came as from outer space, not the material.
If such an implication exists in the original finnish, it certainly didn't get carried over in the translation. That translated text contains no such implication.

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Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 19:53:00 No.14341674 Report

Quoted By: >>14341678

>>14341666
"The dagger of pharaoh tuthancamon comes from outer space"

finnish language doesnt work like that this would indicate the material. This phrase has only one true implication, the dagger flew from outer space to earth. As in complete dagger, not as a meteorite material.

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Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 19:54:21 No.14341678 Report

Quoted By: >>14341681

>>14341674
From the same article
>The MATERIAL of the iron dagger has come with the meteorite from outer space
Ignoring the clumbsy wording from the translation from Finnish, it's clear this article is asserting the dagger was made out of a meteorite.

Do you have an article that actually claims aliens made it?

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Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 19:55:24 No.14341681 Report

Quoted By: >>14341683

>>14341678
Why would you read the news, of course in there is a disclaimer that its "material". You should only see the headline.

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Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 19:55:59 No.14341683 Report

Quoted By: >>14341693

>>14341681
>You should only see the headline.
Should? So you didn't mean for me to read the article you linked?

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Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 19:58:09 No.14341693 Report

Quoted By: >>14341696

>>14341683
By not reading neither, and by fucking with you, I did receive the needful information: most iron meteorites actually are iron-nickel meteorites.

So this mystery is solved. I solved it. By thinking, not reading. Thank you good bye.

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Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 19:58:29 No.14341696 Report

Quoted By: >>14341703

>>14341693
Do you actually have ANY articles that claim this dagger was made by aliens?

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Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 20:00:33 No.14341703 Report

Quoted By: >>14341721 >>14343307

>>14341696
I dont fucking care. All i cared about the meteorite versus one genious metallurgist of that time. It actually would have been possible to be complete earth-iron but the nickel percentage indicates meteorite-iron. Nevertheless the forging and smithing is made by humans, there are no aliens.

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Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 20:03:59 No.14341721 Report

Quoted By: >>14341736 >>14341838

>>14341703
so you agree with the paper 100%. why did you even make this thread?

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Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 20:06:54 No.14341736 Report

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>>14341721
I think he must have done it just to be obnoxious.

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Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 20:27:51 No.14341798 Report

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>>14341508
>It supports nothing. These basic metals are in earth
yes but specific compositions and ratios can determine origin of said alloy. a similar thing is done with various other materials including water (D/H ratio). for starters most natural nickel iron alloys are of meteorite origin and you can use stats to find out how likely it is to find a metal with this composition. all evidence points to it having meteoric origin.

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Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 20:41:44 No.14341838 Report

Quoted By: >>14343307

>>14341721
to clear things up, its all clear now

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Anonymous Mon 28 Mar 2022 07:46:38 No.14343307 Report

Quoted By: >>14343370 >>14343437

>>14341378
>>14341508
>>14341537
>>14341576
>>14341608
>>14341703
holy...fucking...autism...
>>14341838
quiet retard

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Anonymous Mon 28 Mar 2022 08:24:35 No.14343370 Report

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>>14343307
eat shit. question even your mother.

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Anonymous Mon 28 Mar 2022 09:06:19 No.14343437 Report

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>>14343307
cool story retard

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Anonymous Mon 28 Mar 2022 09:09:35 No.14343445 Report

Quoted By: >>14343980

>>14341597
>This dagger is a product of incredible craftsmanship.

cool. but could they efficiently mass produce it for uses other than custom jewelry?

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Anonymous Mon 28 Mar 2022 09:11:08 No.14343448 Report

Quoted By: >>14344007

>>14341597
Nearly pure iron is soft and easy to forge, its also easy to make for blacksmiths, called wrought iron. What is hard to make is steel, at least not without a lot of effort and testing to get it right.

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Anonymous Mon 28 Mar 2022 09:12:11 No.14343452 Report

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>>14341636
Kill journalists

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Anonymous Mon 28 Mar 2022 14:06:13 No.14343980 Report

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>>14343445
Why are you asking dumb questions you already know the answer to?

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Anonymous Mon 28 Mar 2022 14:16:10 No.14344007 Report

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>>14343448
>Nearly pure iron is soft and easy to forge
Who said anything about pure iron??

It isn't pure iron, nor even 'nearly' pure iron. It's a non-uniform Iron-nickel alloy, the ratio changing depending on what part of the meteorite you examine. Furthermore, as it's found on the ground, these meteorites are usually riddled with fractures and fissures. If you can't bring the meteoric iron up to welding temperature, you'll have a very hard time dealing with that. Modern blacksmiths obviously can, but this dagger was not made by modern blacksmiths. It was forged under low heat, well below welding temperature.

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Anonymous Mon 28 Mar 2022 14:19:23 No.14344019 Report

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>subedditor for sensationalist tabloid writes clickbait headline
>anon rants about sóyence
Half the threads in this shithole summed up, right there

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Mar 2022 14:23:05 No.14344026 Report

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Retard

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Anonymous Mon 28 Mar 2022 20:40:00 No.14344902 Report

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>>14341378
>He's not going to upgrade his Terraria gear once the meteorite falls to earth
ngmi to the wall of flesh

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