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If you split the brain, what happens to the soul?

Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 02:05:30 2022 No.14339316 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>14339339 >>14339514 >>14339525 >>14339670 >>14340426 >>14340482

So hypothetically, if a person can survive with only half of their brain and still be able to have meaningful function, what if you transplanted the other half of their brain into another human body?

What would happen to the consciousness/soul?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 02:13:58 No.14339335 Report

Quoted By: >>14339347

The soul is just a metaphor for the sum of all human thoughts and feelings.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 02:20:42 No.14339339 Report

Quoted By: >>14339347 >>14343626 >>14343646

>>14339316
https://youtu.be/lfGwsAdS9Dc

There is no soul and you are a biological AI.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 02:25:03 No.14339347 Report

Quoted By: >>14339353 >>14339380 >>14340428 >>14340505 >>14341464

>>14339339
>>14339335

I don't believe that is true. Ask yourself, why do you currently exist right now in that body of yours? Why don't you exist at any other point in history or in the body of anybody else? Why are you anon in the 21st century and not some serf in the medieval ages?

Because your soul is specific to your existence which is you right now, and not anybody else.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 02:27:32 No.14339353 Report

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>>14339347
Watch the video till the end.

I do find it immensely puzzling being in this body persistently but the fact remains that this body is literally all I know. I am a brain that managed to become self aware, just like yours.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 02:38:36 No.14339380 Report

Quoted By: >>14339470

>>14339347
>Ask yourself, why do you currently exist right now in that body of yours?
Your questions are loaded with false premises. You assume a soul exists and then ask why it's in this body and not another. In reality, you are your body and nothing else.

>Why don't you exist at any other point in history or in the body of anybody else?
Because then you would be that person and not you. None of this requires a soul, you moron.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 02:43:21 No.14339394 Report

Quoted By: >>14339427 >>14339509 >>14339521

if aliens perfectly duplicated all your patterns and electrical activity in the year 30000 would the you that you are now wake up from death? why not? what stops your lived experience from being experienced x-years from now versus tomorrow?

what if your consciousness is duplicated while you're still alive?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 02:56:37 No.14339427 Report

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>>14339394
It's the continuity. You are not consistent through time so it's not about exact physical state.
>muh coma
>muh sleep
Your subconscious is still awake

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 03:15:14 No.14339470 Report

Quoted By: >>14339549 >>14339625

>>14339380
None of it would be possible without a soul.

>Because then you would be that person and not you. None of this requires a soul
And so what makes you, 'you'? You said 'you' would be another person if 'you' weren't you, so what is this 'you? It's your soul.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 03:38:26 No.14339509 Report

Quoted By: >>14339520

>>14339394
Something would wake up utterly convinced it's you but without your pov. Your specific pov metabolically collapsed ages ago

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 03:39:44 No.14339514 Report

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>>14339316
She should have been gassed to be euthanaised ethically.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 03:43:37 No.14339520 Report

Quoted By: >>14339730

>>14339509
And what is this specific POV? It's the soul.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 03:44:03 No.14339521 Report

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>>14339394
No. The real you would be in heaven, or hell.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 03:46:55 No.14339525 Report

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>>14339316
I remember seeing this and the surgery in a science show I torrented long ago
Maybe BBC

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 03:56:52 No.14339549 Report

Quoted By: >>14339578 >>14339673

>>14339470
The problem is not that your questions are moronic (they still are, just so we are clear)
The problem is that having a soul still does not answer them
Like, fine, I have a soul, then why does it not exist in the medieval ages? Why is a soul required to be me now, and why would I be anything else without it?
All in all, pick one of three advices: get better trolling material, talk to a priest instead of us, or >>>/x/

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 04:10:11 No.14339578 Report

Quoted By: >>14339606

>>14339549
Having a soul answers them if you also have a brain to actually think about it.

I can't answer your question of where does the soul come from, but I can surely that having a unique existential POV is synonymous with the concept of a soul and cannot be explained by a neurochemical circuitry that may or may not exist in your head.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 04:26:43 No.14339606 Report

Quoted By: >>14339673

>>14339578
Replying was not an option
Get better at trolling
Talk religion with religious people
Or >>>/x/

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 04:44:01 No.14339625 Report

Quoted By: >>14339632

>>14339470
>None of it would be possible without a soul.
None of what? Your body IS you, they aren't separate and swappable. You're begging the question.

>And so what makes you, 'you'?
Your body.

>You said 'you' would be another person if 'you' weren't you, so what is this 'you?
Why are you asking a question about your own question? You asked why don't "you" exist at any other point in history or in the body of another person. The answer is that person wouldn't be you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 04:47:21 No.14339632 Report

Quoted By: >>14339646

>>14339625
>None of what? Your body IS you, they aren't separate and swappable. You're begging the question.
And what predetermined your consciousness to reside in that body? Why are you conscious there and now as opposed to in any other body at any other point in time?

>The answer is that person wouldn't be you
And what is this 'you'? The soul.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 05:00:27 No.14339646 Report

Quoted By: >>14339657

>>14339632
>And what predetermined your consciousness to reside in that body?
Your consciousness is a result of your body, your brain specifically.

>Why are you conscious there and now as opposed to in any other body at any other point in time?
Why do you keep repeating this moronic loaded question? Your consciousness cannot be in any other body because only your body produces your consciousness. Why do you continue to assume they are separate and swappable?

>And what is this 'you'? The soul.
So you're saying "you" don't exist. Yes, that is one way of answering your moronic question.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 05:08:21 No.14339654 Report

Quoted By: >>14339655

If a person can be born with 2 heads, could they be born with 2 minds?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 05:09:16 No.14339655 Report

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>>14339654
Define person.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 05:09:58 No.14339657 Report

Quoted By: >>14339663 >>14339681

>>14339646
And how does your body produce your consciousness? How does a bunch of neurons and their connections manage to create a unique existential and continual point of view capable of perceiving pain and pleasure, color and emotion, without a soul involved?

You sound like you have an answer to this question, but people who don't know what they're talking about often think they have all the answers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 05:14:02 No.14339663 Report

Quoted By: >>14339675

>>14339657
>but people who don't know what they're talking about often think they have all the answers.
that sounds liek you

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 05:17:05 No.14339670 Report

Quoted By: >>14341652 >>14341657

>>14339316
>believing in souls
>implying a continuous identity in your brain even exists in the first place
Take the Open Individualism pill

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JomlwxRAtZo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9unZn75Moo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhoqz4PEtkU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mP3dCVhOnzE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrGoOlPepC8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WKqO16mkGE

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 05:18:08 No.14339673 Report

Quoted By: >>14339686 >>14340446

>>14339606
>>14339549
Because you are experiencing the universe through your particular eyes, it's who you are and what distinguishes you from a p-zombie.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 05:19:36 No.14339675 Report

Quoted By: >>14339678 >>14339705

>>14339663
We accept your concession p-zombie

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 05:20:51 No.14339678 Report

Quoted By: >>14339685

>>14339675
im just entering into this self-indulgent display of faggotry nigger. fuck your soul salesman bullshit

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 05:27:49 No.14339681 Report

Quoted By: >>14339690

>>14339657
>And how does your body produce your consciousness?
How does it not? How does a soul? What evidence is there of a soul?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 05:29:25 No.14339685 Report

Quoted By: >>14339689

>>14339678
We aren't selling you anything you don't already have

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 05:30:09 No.14339686 Report

Quoted By: >>14339692

>>14339673
>Because you are experiencing the universe through your particular eyes
True regardless of souls. So souls have nothing to do with it. I accept your concession, soulfag.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 05:33:27 No.14339689 Report

Quoted By: >>14339697 >>14339708

>>14339685
ur a faggot

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 05:33:53 No.14339690 Report

Quoted By: >>14339713

>>14339681
Can you create an AI capable of perceiving pain and pleasure? Can you fathom the combination or pattern of neurons that would experience self-awareness?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 05:35:09 No.14339692 Report

Quoted By: >>14339695

>>14339686
The point is that you cannot explain what is doing the experiencing
You/we have not solved the hard problem of consciousness

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 05:36:58 No.14339695 Report

Quoted By: >>14339701 >>14339708

>>14339692
saying you have a soul isn't explaining what is doing the experiencing either it's just faggoty and annoying

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 05:37:00 No.14339697 Report

Quoted By: >>14339699 >>14339705

>>14339689
We continue to accept your concessions, p-zombies

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 05:38:07 No.14339699 Report

Quoted By: >>14339708

>>14339697
you even act liek a spiteful woman when your soul bullshit gets rejected

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 05:38:23 No.14339701 Report

Quoted By: >>14339715

>>14339695
>saying you have a soul isn't explaining what is doing the experiencing either
Perhaps that's what a soul is, by definition

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Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 05:43:21 No.14339705 Report

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>>14339675
>>14339697

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 05:43:43 No.14339708 Report

Quoted By: >>14339719 >>14339729

>>14339699
>>14339695
>>14339689
If you believe yourself to be a soulless blob of matter then expect to be treated as such when the time comes
Or you could just appreciate your consciousness for what it is

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 05:47:05 No.14339713 Report

Quoted By: >>14339718

>>14339690
Can you show me any evidence of a soul at all? Can you explain anything about it without just making shit up?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 05:49:01 No.14339715 Report

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>>14339701
Or perhaps souls aren't necessary since they don't explain anything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 05:51:38 No.14339718 Report

Quoted By: >>14339720

>>14339713
Do you believe you have brain in your skull? I'm sure you've never seen it with your own eyes so why would you.

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Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 05:51:42 No.14339719 Report

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>>14339708
>j-j-just believe you have a soul OK????
>otherwise I'll call you more names

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 05:52:52 No.14339720 Report

Quoted By: >>14339723

>>14339718
Yeah, I have gotten a MRI. Now please answer the question. Can you show me any evidence of a soul at all? Can you explain anything about it without just making shit up?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 05:55:13 No.14339723 Report

Quoted By: >>14340424

>>14339720
So I guess you would have denied having a brain before seeing an MRI to prove it, because surely deductive reasoning is not within your capabilities

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 05:55:25 No.14339724 Report

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worst thread on /sci/ no cap

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 05:57:54 No.14339729 Report

Quoted By: >>14339754

>>14339708
>if you don't believe in the teachings of the church, expect to be tortured in hell when the time comes
The absolute state of you

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 05:58:31 No.14339730 Report

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>>14339520
Probably not, otherwise its awfully useless without my brain, as evidenced by it's ability to be no longer experienced from time to time, oddly enough times that correspond with resting brain states.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 06:10:03 No.14339754 Report

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>>14339729
Sounds like you figured it out by yourself

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 13:02:52 No.14340424 Report

Quoted By:

>>14339723
>So I guess you would have denied having a brain before seeing an MRI to prove it
No, guess again.

Now please answer the question. Can you show me any evidence of a soul at all? Can you explain anything about it without just making shit up?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 13:06:04 No.14340426 Report

Quoted By: >>14340513

>>14339316
if you split the brain the soul will escape through the cracks. The half brain midwit left behind might be able to look and act like a 4eal person, but it won't be able to have actual feelings (qualia)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 13:07:50 No.14340428 Report

Quoted By: >>14343034

>>14339347
how would i know im not just constantly forgetting every time i take over a new body? my brain and thus memories would reset each time

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 13:18:40 No.14340446 Report

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>>14339673
Is your 'soul' actually just something spectacting what your brain is doing in first person view??

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 13:29:30 No.14340482 Report

Quoted By:

>>14339316
>consciousness/soul
pick one

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 13:40:05 No.14340505 Report

Quoted By:

>>14339347
>meaningless word salad
Go write a blog

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 13:42:58 No.14340513 Report

Quoted By: >>14340543

>>14340426
what the fuck is a 4eal person
moron

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 13:48:29 No.14340522 Report

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I think it would choose to stay with the body since it's learned to be attached to it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 13:56:03 No.14340543 Report

Quoted By: >>14340574

>>14340513
>can't parse a sentence because of a typo

you are the 4eal moron

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 14:06:24 No.14340574 Report

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>>14340543
you've clearly proved you cannot post on this board, you massive turdbrain
begone

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 18:58:56 No.14341464 Report

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>>14339347

Our bodies have senses. Senses would be useless without something to monitor them. "Consciousness" is the evolved system that actively monitors your senses to produce plans of action.

That's the best "science-y" logic I've heard so far.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 19:45:07 No.14341652 Report

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>>14339670
>Open individualism is the view in the philosophy of self, according to which there exists only one numerically identical subject, who is everyone at all times.
schizo shit

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Anonymous Sun 27 Mar 2022 19:46:28 No.14341657 Report

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>>14339670
This is the kind of stuff I pondered when I was literally 10 years old.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Mar 2022 04:49:12 No.14343034 Report

Quoted By:

>>14340428
If you can answer why we sleep and what happens in the brain when we do so, then I will consider your argument valid.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Mar 2022 10:58:55 No.14343626 Report

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>>14339339
>Split brain patients
This is one of the weirdest phonemena of all time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Mar 2022 11:10:46 No.14343646 Report

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>>14339339
It's funny how at the end they conclude that the Left Hemisphere is the superior one of the two. If we identified at the level of hemispheres instead of at the level of organisms this would probably have really pissed off some Right Hemispheres in the audience lmao

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